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Re: Transsib <v4> p1,3 - let's go again!

Postby natty dread on Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:08 am

I'll probably have to scrap the verny-novosibirsk line too, it seems it wasn't built until 1930:s...
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Re: Transsib <v4> p1,3 - let's go again!

Postby natty dread on Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:44 am

I believe I wish to further deviate from the gameplay of OE with this map, and I believe I will do it thus:

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Re: Transsib <v6> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby Victor Sullivan on Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:06 pm

"Industrial Centers"? That seems cool. Do you have a reason for their placement?
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Re: Transsib <v6> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby natty dread on Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:00 pm

yes.
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Re: Transsib <v6> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby Victor Sullivan on Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:38 pm

Sigh... I meant are there industrial centers where you placed them on the map or are they placed strategically for gameplay reasons?
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Re: Transsib <v6> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby natty dread on Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:44 pm

both.
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Re: Transsib <v6> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby natty dread on Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:49 pm

What's more, I just checked, and the territory count is good too if all stations & industrial centers are coded as neutrals.

42 = golden number.
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Re: Transsib <v6> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby natty dread on Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:22 am

Ok I put in 888:s and some bonus amounts

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Re: Transsib <v6> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby Tupence on Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:31 pm

I'm liking the map so far. Do you have to hold the stations within the areas to get land bonuses?

I think you could darken the colour for China a bit; for my eyes it blends with Mongolia too well...
Also to me the mountain impassables aren't very clear, especially when bordering East Russia as they're a similar shade.

Could you move the 888 and name for Tuva up a bit? And maybe Zavkhan slightly to the right?

Oh yeah and I think the bonus for North Russia is a little high, 3 might be better when compared to Mongolia.
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Re: Transsib <v6> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby natty dread on Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:16 pm

Do you have to hold the stations within the areas to get land bonuses?


no, they're separate from the land bonuses.

I think you could darken the colour for China a bit; for my eyes it blends with Mongolia too well...
Also to me the mountain impassables aren't very clear, especially when bordering East Russia as they're a similar shade.


I'll deal with the graphics after the gameplay is done... this is just a gameplay draft, it is not meant to represent the final graphical form of the map.

As for north russia, I agree.
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Re: Transsib <v6> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby TaCktiX on Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:46 pm

My major issue with the map is the fonts. They just don't...fit. The title's great in that regard, but the territory names look bland and the explanation text doesn't quite match the "imperfect" style you're going for. The degradation looks more like graphical flaws than intentional additions for thematic accuracy.
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Re: Transsib <v6> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:48 pm

Yeah, the font does seem to be off, but wouldn't that be dealt with later? This is just the Melting Pot.
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Re: Transsib <v6> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby natty dread on Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:54 pm

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I'll deal with the graphics after the gameplay is done... this is just a gameplay draft, it is not meant to represent the final graphical form of the map.
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Re: Transsib <v6> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby natty dread on Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:56 pm

however:

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Re: Transsib <v7> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:30 am

Nice 3D effects! I can't say which I like better, the one with the title at the top or the one with the title in the legend...
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Re: Transsib <v7> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby Industrial Helix on Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:44 pm

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Re: Transsib <v7> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby The Bison King on Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:07 pm

whoo whoooooooo
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Re: Transsib <v7> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby natty dread on Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:13 pm

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Re: Transsib <v7> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:16 pm

Break it down now! \:D/
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Re: Transsib <v7> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby natty dread on Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:50 pm

Ok, then for some gameplay development...

So, since there are less of the side stations and side lines on this map, this requires a bit different gameplay than OE.

As some of you remember, I was going to do this "+1 auto on each station" on the OE map, but then the gameplay kinda drifted in another direction. So on this map I'm giving it another shot...

Additionally I have bonuses for holding certain pieces of the rail on this map, instead of country-based bonuses.

So the stations are really powerful on this map. There are 5 rail bonuses, and with autodeploys they give:

St.P.-Kirov-Yekater. - 3 territories - 2+1 = 3 troops
Moscow-Novosibirsk - 4 territories - 1+5 = 6 troops
Novosibirsk-Chita - 4 territories - 1+4 = 5 troops
Chita-Vladivostok (via Tynda/Bir.) - 4 territories - 0+5 = 5 troops
Chita-Vladivostok (via Harbin) - 3 territories 2+3 = 5 troops
Beijing, Harbin & Seoul - 3 territories - 2+0 = 2 troops

So, does anyone think this makes the stations too powerful, like in such a scale that they might imbalance the game? Or could this be feasible?

This also raises the question of neutral counts for the stations: what is a good amount, that makes them hard to take, but not too hard so that players will just ignore them?
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Re: Transsib <v7> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby The Bison King on Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:03 pm

It's definitely complex but I don't think too powerfull. I think some of it needs to be re-arranged. For example holding from Moscow to Novosbirisk seems like it should be +2 to me.
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Re: Transsib <v7> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby The Bison King on Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:05 pm

...well, on second thought maybe the stations are too powerful... I'll look at this with greater thought tomorrow.
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Re: Transsib <v7> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby natty dread on Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:49 pm

Any more opinions on this?
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Re: Transsib <v7> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:43 pm

I got nothing. Just graphics suggestions.
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Re: AOS: Transsib 1913 <v7> p1,4 - let's go again!

Postby The Bison King on Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:11 pm

I kind of think if the victory condition is hold the stations, and if each station is a +1 auto deploy it will inevitably lead to players ignoring the regular territories and stacking on the stations.
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