Conquer Club

Cy Young, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson, Warren Spahn, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Dennis Eckersley, Johnson or Maddux

Should I just spin off a separate thread for this discussion?
Also it'd be nice if two or three are lefties so I can separate them like in the last version.

Evil DIMwit wrote:so I'll let the fans argue it out

ok

carlpgoodrich wrote:Young, Ruth, Ryan, Seaver, Niekro, Koufax, Eckersley, Maddux.

Army of GOD wrote:Cy [Young], Phil [Niekro], Warren [Spahn], Nolan [Ryan], Sandy [Koufax], Roger [Clemens], Dennis[Eckersley] and Randy [Johnson] for pitchers.

Army of GOD wrote:Greg [Maddux] instead?

the.killing.44 wrote:Cy Young, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson, Warren Spahn, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Dennis Eckersley, Johnson or Maddux

Looks like we are agreed on Cy [Young], Nolan [Ryan], Sandy [Koufax], Dennis[Eckersley], and Greg [Maddux], leaving us to pick 3 from: Tom [Seaver], Phil [Niekro], Warren [Spahn], Randy [Johnson], Christy [Mathewson], and Walter [Johnson]. I would also like to throw in Lefty [Grove], and Satchel [Paige]. Now, I think its important not just to have the best pitchers but also to have names that people recognize/interesting names (sorry Tom and Walter). I think Phil, Lefty, and Satchel would round out the map well, though Randy might be more recognizable.

Does anyone have a problem with Yogi [Berra] at catcher, Lou [Gehrig] at first, Jackie [Robinson]at second, Wade [Boggs] at third, Ozzie [Smith] at short, Ted [Williams] in left, Willie [Mays] in center, Hank [Aaron] in right, and Babe [Ruth] batting?

the.killing.44 wrote:Cy Young, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson, Warren Spahn, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Dennis Eckersley, Johnson or Maddux

So you added three more...?

You're making this more difficult than it should be.

Evil DIMwit wrote:Should I just spin off a separate thread for this discussion?

Also it'd be nice if two or three are lefties so I can separate them like in the last version.

Idk why Cake Eater is adding more, my list (with Maddux instead of Clemens) was fine. Had 8 well-known pitchers.

In my list, Spahn, Koufax and Johnson are lefties.

carlpgoodrich wrote:Looks like we are agreed on Cy [Young], Nolan [Ryan], Sandy [Koufax], Dennis[Eckersley], and Greg [Maddux], leaving us to pick 3 from: Tom [Seaver], Phil [Niekro], Warren [Spahn], Randy [Johnson], Christy [Mathewson], and Walter [Johnson]. I would also like to throw in Lefty [Grove], and Satchel [Paige]. Now, I think its important not just to have the best pitchers but also to have names that people recognize/interesting names (sorry Tom and Walter). I think Phil, Lefty, and Satchel would round out the map well, though Randy might be more recognizable.

you forgot Bob [Gibson] from killing's (and my) list. With your idea of recognizable names in mind, I would go with

Cy Young
Nolan Ryan
Sandy Koufax
Bob Gibson
Lefty Grove
Satchel Paige
Warren Spahn
Christy Mathewson

carlpgoodrich wrote:Does anyone have a problem with Yogi [Berra] at catcher, Lou [Gehrig] at first, Jackie [Robinson]at second, Wade [Boggs] at third, Ozzie [Smith] at short, Ted [Williams] in left, Willie [Mays] in center, Hank [Aaron] in right, and Babe [Ruth] batting?

I like that mostly . Biggest thing I would say is put Ty Cobb in there for one of the Outfielders, and definitely no Wade Boggs. He was good, not that good. I vote for Brooks Robinson at third (or Mike Schmidt, but "Mike" isn't very recognizable).

Also, as a Cardinals fan (and you as a Yankees fan based on the number of Yankees in your list), I'd like to see some debate between Stan Musial and Lou Gehrig at first. Both are top 10 all time players, so no problem either way, but I know I would vote for the Man.

C-Johnny Bench is a better player, but maybe keep Yogi because of his name
SS- Honus Wagner, you gotta love Ozzie (especially as a Cards fan), but historically if you're asking who the better player was it's not much of a question imo

Army of GOD wrote:

Evil DIMwit wrote:Should I just spin off a separate thread for this discussion?

Also it'd be nice if two or three are lefties so I can separate them like in the last version.

Idk why Cake Eater is adding more, my list (with Maddux instead of Clemens) was fine. Had 8 well-known pitchers.

In my list, Spahn, Koufax and Johnson are lefties.

everyone's list has a few lefties, a lot of good pitchers were lefty. Actually, you may want to ask to reduce the number to two. That also may help with the debate as well, say pick 2 lefties and 6 righties.

Now back on topic...

This map is fantastic, but the defenders system is a little confusing.
It would take some reading, but hey--I've no problem with that.
Graphics aren't exactly up to date, but for the first few drafts, I'm impressed
I would most certainly play this map.

jrh_cardinal wrote:you forgot Bob [Gibson] from killing's (and my) list.

Sorry.

Biggest thing I would say is put Ty Cobb in there for one of the Outfielders

I agree it was hard not to include him, but who do you take out?

definitely no Wade Boggs. He was good, not that good. I vote for Brooks Robinson at third (or Mike Schmidt, but "Mike" isn't very recognizable).

I disagree, Boggs was pretty darn good, and is very recognizable. I agree Schmidt was probably the best third baseman of all time, so I guess I'd be alright with Mike.

...(and you as a Yankees fan based on the number of Yankees in your list)...

WHAT!!!! !!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm a huge Sox fan! I'm going to go cry a little....... Ok, I'm back.

I'd like to see some debate between Stan Musial and Lou Gehrig at first. Both are top 10 all time players, so no problem either way, but I know I would vote for the Man.

I agree Stan Musial was good, but Lou Gehrig changed the game and will forever be one of the most remembered and recognizable figures in all of baseball. Musial is deserving, but not including Gehrig would be an insult in my opinion (and like I said, this is coming from a huge Sox fan )

C-Johnny Bench is a better player, but maybe keep Yogi because of his name
SS- Honus Wagner, you gotta love Ozzie (especially as a Cards fan), but historically if you're asking who the better player was it's not much of a question imo

Ozzie was definitely not the best SS of all time, but for this exercise he fits perfectly. Same with Yogi.

Evil DIMwit wrote:Should I just spin off a separate thread for this discussion?

Sure, sorry if we have kinda hijacked your thread . It's just because we are excited about this map

carlpgoodrich wrote:Sure, sorry if we have kinda hijacked your thread . It's just because we are excited about this map

lmao, ya, sorry, I'm almost done now

carlpgoodrich wrote:WHAT!!!! !!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm a huge Sox fan! I'm going to go cry a little....... Ok, I'm back.

sorry, lol

carlpgoodrich wrote:I agree it was hard not to include him, but who do you take out?

I think he fits more than Mays or Williams just cause Ty is more recognizable than Willie or Ted, but I agree they're all deserving
Ty played mostly center, idk, His name fits more but Willie Mays was better

carlpgoodrich wrote:Ozzie was definitely not the best SS of all time, but for this exercise he fits perfectly. Same with Yogi.

makes sense, to me that puts brooks at third too...

and like I said, I'm fine with Lou at first

Psh, hijack schmijack. Just, best to get these arguments out of the way early so they don't stall the actual mapmaking process forever.

C - Yogi [Berra]
1B - Lou [Gehrig]
2B - Jackie [Robinson]
SS - Honus [Wagner] or Ozzie [Smith], I could go either way
3B - Mike [Schmidt]
RF - Hank [Aaron]
CF - Willie [Mays]
LF - Stan [Musial] or Ted [Williams], again, either way
Batting - Babe [Ruth]
P - Cy [Young], Walter [Johnson], Warren [Spahn], Satchel [Paige], Nolan [Ryan], Dennis [Eckersley], Bob [Gibson], Greg [Maddux]

There's my list.

the.killing.44 wrote:C - Yogi [Berra]
1B - Lou [Gehrig]
2B - Jackie [Robinson]
SS - Honus [Wagner] or Ozzie [Smith], I could go either way
3B - Mike [Schmidt]
RF - Hank [Aaron]
CF - Willie [Mays]
LF - Stan [Musial] or Ted [Williams], again, either way
Batting - Babe [Ruth]

Agreed. At SS, I make a strong vote for Ozzie, and it seems like everyone is at least ok with that. At LF, Ted Williams was one of the best pure hitters ever, and IMO has more importance to the history of the game than players like Stan Musial or Ty Cobb. I also like Mike Schmidt over Brooks Robinson, again because I think he means more to the legacy of the game. Also, believe it or not, I saw him yesterday... he was part of the pregame ceremonies at the Phillies Mets game .

P - Cy [Young], Walter [Johnson], Warren [Spahn], Satchel [Paige], Nolan [Ryan], Dennis [Eckersley], Bob [Gibson], Greg [Maddux]

We are almost agreed. You forgot Sandy Koufax, who was in your original list (and everyone else's). I vote for replacing Walter Johnson and Warren Spahn wtih Sandy Koufax and Lefty Grove.

We would then have Cy [Young], Satchel [Paige], Nolan [Ryan], Dennis [Eckersley], Bob [Gibson], Greg [Maddux] as righties and Sandy [Koufax] and Lefty [Grove] as lefties.

I'm fine with both of those subs, though I'm a pretty big Walter Johnson fan. Sandy and Lefty have a better ring than Walter and Warren.

I'm not sure about Maddux, maybe Walter Johnson or Spahn instead but I like everything else

jrh_cardinal wrote:I'm not sure about Maddux, maybe Walter Johnson or Spahn instead but I like everything else

Well I'd agree if there wasn't a pseudo-consensus that we wanted a more contemporary pitcher on the list.

the.killing.44 wrote:

jrh_cardinal wrote:I'm not sure about Maddux, maybe Walter Johnson or Spahn instead but I like everything else

Well I'd agree if there wasn't a pseudo-consensus that we wanted a more contemporary pitcher on the list.

lol true, ok I've got nothing more to complain about

Cool, looks like we are all agree. I will repost the list one last time. If any of you know a reason why these 18 men shall not be joined in the holy bonds of CC maprimony, speak now or forever hold your peace!

C - Yogi [Berra]
1B - Lou [Gehrig]
2B - Jackie [Robinson]
SS - Ozzie [Smith]
3B - Mike [Schmidt]
RF - Hank [Aaron]
CF - Willie [Mays]
LF - Ted [Williams]
Batting - Babe [Ruth]
RHP - Cy [Young], Satchel [Paige], Nolan [Ryan], Dennis [Eckersley], Bob [Gibson], Greg [Maddux]
LHP - Sandy [Koufax] and Lefty [Grove]

carlpgoodrich wrote:If any of you know a reason why these 18 men shall not be joined in the holy bonds of CC maprimony, speak now or forever hold your peace!

, looks good

but it's only 17 men

dimwit, you may now have your thread back

How mercifully brief.



I'll be going on a road trip from the 14th to the 21st. If anyone isn't happy with this roster, you've got until the latter to make it known and make your argument; after that these names will be set in stone.

Also, what do you think of this new title? Dynamic, no?

jrh_cardinal wrote:but it's only 17 men

really, greg maddux? what about phil niekro or christy mathewson instead?

pretty much everyone you have is old school besides maddux and smith... i like the old timer theme, and i think it should be consistent.

ps. love the map idea

Even if the player names are old-timers, I doubt I'll make the graphical theme specifically old-timey
Then again, that might be a fun way to differentiate this map from the other sports maps...

whitestazn88 wrote:really, greg maddux? what about phil niekro or christy mathewson instead?

pretty much everyone you have is old school besides maddux and smith... i like the old timer theme, and i think it should be consistent.

the.killing.44 wrote:

jrh_cardinal wrote:I'm not sure about Maddux, maybe Walter Johnson or Spahn instead but I like everything else

Well I'd agree if there wasn't a pseudo-consensus that we wanted a more contemporary pitcher on the list.

both fielders and pitchers span all of baseball. I like the idea of a contemporary pitcher, and he's the most deserving of all the contemporary pitcher's (if you mention any steroid users i will cry)

Ya, I think our list is pretty solid. Of course there are some deserving names we didn't include, but you can't have everyone.