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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:28 pm

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AndyDufresne wrote:I've wanted a Roman Empire map, but the extra additions to the gameplay probably would make this a map that I'd avoid as it stands, even though it is a pretty-sight and theme.


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Isn't Imperium Romanum what you're describing then Andy? It's pretty straightforward, while this looks like a brain melter. Nice first draft Nuno - I look forward to studying this in detail, and following it through. Brilliant conception.

Nah, Imperium Romanum isn't quite either.


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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:12 pm

Thanks a lot guys for all your support :)

danryan wrote:One objection, there's a small village in Gaul that should start neutral that isn't shown, surrounded by the fortified Roman Camps of Totorum, Laudanum, Compendium, and Totorum. ;)


ah ahahahh you're right ....and it should start with maybe 10 neutral troops at least. :D :D

Industrial Helix wrote: Diocletian was at the end of the 3rd century, not the 4th


you're totally right of course, Diocletian implemented the Tetrarchy in the 290's... an honest mistake that I'll correct asap

Industrial Helix wrote:and while he did split the Empire, Constantine re-unified it and moved the capital to Constantinople. Diocletian's eastern capital was at Nicomedia. Julian followed Constantine in a unified Empire, but his successor Jovian presided over the final and permanent split between east and west. Your map describes the situation post-Jovian more than it does in Diocletian's time.


for the sake of gameplay and appeal-ability I'm giving myself some 'conceptual freedoms' - So I'm overlooking Milan (or Mediolanum) as the temporary capital of the East and Nicomedia for the West. ;)

Industrial Helix wrote: And the Eastern Roman Empire was never known to them as the "Byzantine Empire", they referred to themselves as Romans until the Turks sacked Constantinople.


indeed, but it was later known as the Byzantine Empire to us.

theBastard wrote:this is emblem of city Constantinople from about 300 AD
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Humm that emblem, it definitely looks related to Islam with the crescent in it. I really don't see any relation with the Roman Empire there.....
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:16 pm

Rodion wrote:Should be a great map, Nuno!

One thing I'd like to see is territories with real city/province names instead of codes like AFI, AFII, AFIII, AFIV and AFV. Do you think that can be done? :)


ohhh... How I wish. Unfortunatly I don't have the space for it especially on the small map. Also, I've merged some provinces in some areas of the Empire, so, if for some we could actually refer to them by their accurate historical name on the merged ones we couldn't.
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:37 pm

Kabanellas wrote:
Rodion wrote:Should be a great map, Nuno!

One thing I'd like to see is territories with real city/province names instead of codes like AFI, AFII, AFIII, AFIV and AFV. Do you think that can be done? :)


ohhh... How I wish. Unfortunatly I don't have the space for it especially on the small map. Also, I've merged some provinces in some areas of the Empire, so, if for some we could actually refer to them by their accurate historical name on the merged ones we couldn't.

You could at least mention something in the XML...
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby theBastard on Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:45 pm

Kabanellas wrote:for the sake of gameplay and appeal-ability I'm giving myself some 'conceptual freedoms' - So I'm overlooking Milan (or Mediolanum) as the temporary capital of the East and Nicomedia for the West. ;)


maybe to this time era are the best Ravenna for West and Constantinople for East. if we spoke about dividing empire by Theodosius.
Kabanellas wrote:indeed, but it was later known as the Byzantine Empire to us.


much, much later ;)
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theBastard wrote:this is emblem of city Constantinople from about 300 AD
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Humm that emblem, it definitely looks related to Islam with the crescent in it. I really don't see any relation with the Roman Empire there.....

here are some notices:
The star and crescent symbol was originally used as the flag of Constantinople.
According to legend in 339 BC the city of Byzantium, (later known as Constantinople and then Istanbul), won a decisive battle under a brilliant waxing moon which they attributed to their patron Goddess Artemis (Diana in Roman mythology) whose symbol was the crescent moon.
In honor of Artemis the citizens adopted the crescent moon as their symbol.
When the city became the Christian Roman Constantinople in 330 AD, Constantine also added the Virgin Mary's star on the flag.
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In 670 BC, the citizens of Byzantium made the crescent moon as their state symbol, after an important victory. Byzantium was the first governing state to use the crescent moon as its national symbol. In 330 AD Constantine I added the Virgin Mary's star to the flag. Byzantium would then also be the first attested nation or empire to use the combination of the crescent moon and star together as an emblem.

The crescent moon and star was not completely abandoned by the Christian world after the fall of Constantinople. To date the official flag of the Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem is a labarum of white, a church building with two towers, and on either side of the arms, at the top, are the outline in black of a crescent moon facing center and a star with rays
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:52 pm

theBastard wrote:The star and crescent symbol was originally used as the flag of Constantinople.
According to legend in 339 BC the city of Byzantium, (later known as Constantinople and then Istanbul), won a decisive battle under a brilliant waxing moon which they attributed to their patron Goddess Artemis (Diana in Roman mythology) whose symbol was the crescent moon.
In honor of Artemis the citizens adopted the crescent moon as their symbol.
When the city became the Christian Roman Constantinople in 330 AD, Constantine also added the Virgin Mary's star on the flag.
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In 670 BC, the citizens of Byzantium made the crescent moon as their state symbol, after an important victory. Byzantium was the first governing state to use the crescent moon as its national symbol. In 330 AD Constantine I added the Virgin Mary's star to the flag. Byzantium would then also be the first attested nation or empire to use the combination of the crescent moon and star together as an emblem.

The crescent moon and star was not completely abandoned by the Christian world after the fall of Constantinople. To date the official flag of the Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem is a labarum of white, a church building with two towers, and on either side of the arms, at the top, are the outline in black of a crescent moon facing center and a star with rays



..Very interesting ;)
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:00 pm

Taken from a forum:

The crescent moon originally had no connection to Islam. From the seventh century until the late thirteenth century, Islam had no symbol whatsoever. It is a religion, of course, which forbids all images. Therefore, it was not appropriated by Muhammad, but rather by the Ottoman Turks when they seized Constantinople/Istanbul. In the process they appropriated the city's Byzantine symbol (the crescent moon). The Ottomans claimed the caliphate and ruled over much of the known Muslim world, thus their symbol came to represent Islam, especially amongst the Christians whom they battled.

A decent, quick-to-read article on the subject can be found here:

http://islam.about.com/od/history/a/crescent_moon.htm
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:04 pm

so it's understood that the crescent with the sun (star) is the flag of Constantinople.. but I'd be more interested in the flag of the Eastern Roman Empire rather than be using the flag of its capital. Any ideas?
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Rodion on Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:16 pm

Kabanellas wrote:so it's understood that the crescent with the sun (star) is the flag of Constantinople.. but I'd be more interested in the flag of the Eastern Roman Empire rather than be using the flag of its capital. Any ideas?


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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby theBastard on Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:19 pm

Kabanellas wrote:so it's understood that the crescent with the sun (star) is the flag of Constantinople.. but I'd be more interested in the flag of the Eastern Roman Empire rather than be using the flag of its capital. Any ideas?

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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:02 pm

Kab wrote:
Industrial Helix wrote:and while he did split the Empire, Constantine re-unified it and moved the capital to Constantinople. Diocletian's eastern capital was at Nicomedia. Julian followed Constantine in a unified Empire, but his successor Jovian presided over the final and permanent split between east and west. Your map describes the situation post-Jovian more than it does in Diocletian's time.


for the sake of gameplay and appeal-ability I'm giving myself some 'conceptual freedoms' - So I'm overlooking Milan (or Mediolanum) as the temporary capital of the East and Nicomedia for the West. ;)

Industrial Helix wrote: And the Eastern Roman Empire was never known to them as the "Byzantine Empire", they referred to themselves as Romans until the Turks sacked Constantinople.


indeed, but it was later known as the Byzantine Empire to us.



Well that's fine and dandy, with things like this you need some freedom... just don't say Diocletian made his capital at Constantinople. I don't have any problem with the gameplay mechanics, its the paragraph that needs some corrections.

Furthermore, I find all this talk about the Crescent and Star flag very interesting... i had no idea the Ottoman's swiped the idea from the Byzantines. I think you should use it somewhere on this map.
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby wolfpack0530 on Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:47 am

Nic work Kab. Wasnt this right around the time that Attila the Hun was kicking Rome's ass any and every time that he wished?
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:51 am

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Kabanellas wrote:so it's understood that the crescent with the sun (star) is the flag of Constantinople.. but I'd be more interested in the flag of the Eastern Roman Empire rather than be using the flag of its capital. Any ideas?

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That will be it! :)
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:53 am

Industrial Helix wrote:Furthermore, I find all this talk about the Crescent and Star flag very interesting... i had no idea the Ottoman's swiped the idea from the Byzantines. I think you should use it somewhere on this map.


interesting indeed, did not know it either 8-[
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:00 am

wolfpack0530 wrote:Nic work Kab. Wasnt this right around the time that Attila the Hun was kicking Rome's ass any and every time that he wished?


Thanks wolf,
well Attila appears in Europe more than 1 century later.. and actually the Huns migrate to Europe around 350 A.D. which is a bit later than Diocletian but still in this time scope.

.....I could of course replace the Huns and insert a more contemporary tribe like the Vandals or the Burgundians.... :-s
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby theBastard on Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:36 am

the first one looks better for me.

just one notice: the Angles (Anglo-Saxons) become to Britain later (about 600 AD). there were Celts and Britons who ruled Isles after Romans withraw.
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby natty dread on Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:40 am

1st one def
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby tokle on Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:08 am

theBastard wrote:the first one looks better for me.

just one notice: the Angles (Anglo-Saxons) become to Britain later (about 600 AD). there were Celts and Britons who ruled Isles after Romans withraw.

There were Angles who were harrowing the british coast long before the Anglo-Saxong invasions in the 5th century. And this map is not about after the withdrawal, but during the collapse of the empire.
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby theBastard on Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:47 am

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theBastard wrote:just one notice: the Angles (Anglo-Saxons) become to Britain later (about 600 AD). there were Celts and Britons who ruled Isles after Romans withraw.

There were Angles who were harrowing the british coast long before the Anglo-Saxong invasions in the 5th century. And this map is not about after the withdrawal, but during the collapse of the empire.


yes, this is baout collapse. but than there were no Anles (Anglo-Saxons) as main power. yes Anglo-Saxons harrowing the coastal area (but is was not massive) and in England lived Anglo-Saxons, but only as foreign settlers.

it was Celts and Britons which were incoming power after Romans (and during collapse). when there is also Barbarian Invasion (and the truth is that all others tribes did massive invasion and established their rule in Roman area), the Anglo-Saxon invasion become later.
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby tokle on Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:57 am

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tokle wrote:
theBastard wrote:just one notice: the Angles (Anglo-Saxons) become to Britain later (about 600 AD). there were Celts and Britons who ruled Isles after Romans withraw.

There were Angles who were harrowing the british coast long before the Anglo-Saxong invasions in the 5th century. And this map is not about after the withdrawal, but during the collapse of the empire.


yes, this is baout collapse. but than there were no Anles (Anglo-Saxons) as main power. yes Anglo-Saxons harrowing the coastal area (but is was not massive) and in England lived Anglo-Saxons, but only as foreign settlers.

it was Celts and Britons which were incoming power after Romans (and during collapse). when there is also Barbarian Invasion (and the truth is that all others tribes did massive invasion and established their rule in Roman area), the Anglo-Saxon invasion become later.

In the context of this map it is not a-historical to include the Angles, in my oppinion. The Britons you speak of were not barbarians, and they weren't an "incoming" power, they were continuation of Roman power. But since the didn't have any military, they were actually pretty powerless. And it was this vacuum that the Roman Legion had left that encouraged the Anglo-Saxon invasions. So the Anglo-Saxon invasions were definitely related to the collapse of the Roman Empire.

Though considering that the arrow is pointing at the north it might be more fitting to include the Picts. Though, admittedly, they didn't settle and become the dominant power in any areas of the old Empire.
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:08 pm

I like the first better definitely.
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby theBastard on Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:20 pm

tokle wrote:In the context of this map it is not a-historical to include the Angles, in my oppinion.


it is a-historical for this time period.
tokle wrote:The Britons you speak of were not barbarians, and they weren't an "incoming" power, they were continuation of Roman power.


they were not "incoming" power, but they were new power - they established their Kingdoms and Kings. never during Roman rule of England.
tokle wrote:But since the didn't have any military, they were actually pretty powerless.


they did not have any military? the were powerless? do you know how many soldiers (legions) were in England to secure this land for Romans from powerless Britons? btw, also because in Britain were many legions they can not help to secure east borders.

and do not forget that after Romans withdrawall England the Britons must secure themselves before invasion from Ireland. and they won.
tokle wrote:And it was this vacuum that the Roman Legion had left that encouraged the Anglo-Saxon invasions. So the Anglo-Saxon invasions were definitely related to the collapse of the Roman Empire.


Anglo-Saxons were invited by Vortigern to help him against his enemies.
tokle wrote:Though considering that the arrow is pointing at the north it might be more fitting to include the Picts. Though, admittedly, they didn't settle and become the dominant power in any areas of the old Empire.


Anglo-Saxons become mainly from South...
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Commander9 on Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:20 pm

isaiah40 wrote:I like the first better definitely.


This.
But... It was so artistically done.
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby tokle on Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:04 pm

theBastard wrote:
tokle wrote:In the context of this map it is not a-historical to include the Angles, in my oppinion.


it is a-historical for this time period.
tokle wrote:The Britons you speak of were not barbarians, and they weren't an "incoming" power, they were continuation of Roman power.


they were not "incoming" power, but they were new power - they established their Kingdoms and Kings. never during Roman rule of England.

What? What kings and kingdoms are you talking about? What happened in Britain after the Roman legions left was something like a chaotic anarchy. There are very few written sources from this era, so exactly what happened we will never know. History writing about this period is mostly guesswork.

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tokle wrote:But since the didn't have any military, they were actually pretty powerless.


they did not have any military? the were powerless? do you know how many soldiers (legions) were in England to secure this land for Romans from powerless Britons? btw, also because in Britain were many legions they can not help to secure east borders.

and do not forget that after Romans withdrawall England the Britons must secure themselves before invasion from Ireland. and they won.

The Romans moved all their troops off Britain, thus the civilized Celts who were left in charge of the civilized parts of the island did not have any military. That's why they started paying the Germans to defend them.
I don't know this invasion you're talking about. Do you have any information about that?

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tokle wrote:And it was this vacuum that the Roman Legion had left that encouraged the Anglo-Saxon invasions. So the Anglo-Saxon invasions were definitely related to the collapse of the Roman Empire.


Anglo-Saxons were invited by Vortigern to help him against his enemies.

This is a legend. How true it is is unknow. But it only accounts for the Jutes settling in Kent. Not the other German invasion happening around the same time.

theBastard wrote:
tokle wrote:Though considering that the arrow is pointing at the north it might be more fitting to include the Picts. Though, admittedly, they didn't settle and become the dominant power in any areas of the old Empire.


Anglo-Saxons become mainly from South...

At least we agree on that.
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