Conquer Rome (The Fall of the Roman Empire) [Quenched]

[nolefan5311]

Honestly, I think the map is pretty perfect as it is.

[Kabanellas]

Honestly, I think the map is pretty perfect as it is.

Actually, things will be pretty much the same. I just want to avoid stuff like in a 1v1 game, one player starting with the most capitals while the other not....

The idea would be to distribute Capitals equally between players.

(This was a concern posted by several people...)

[Gilligan]

Honestly, I think the map is pretty perfect as it is.

Actually, things will be pretty much the same. I just want to avoid stuff like in a 1v1 game, one player starting with the most capitals while the other not....

The idea would be to distribute Capitals equally between players.

(This was a concern posted by several people...)

What you could do - is create a position with, say, Hunni and Sirmium. The downside to this is the minimum of two tribes is lowered to one, and you'll get one and only one capital at the start no matter how many number of players.

Another downside, in fog, you can determine which tribe someone has by which capital was started with. That isn't too bad, though, since its not a losing condition on the tribes.

[Ika Pakao]

Maybe it can be a random capital and a random tribe?

[Gilligan]

Maybe it can be a random capital and a random tribe?

That is what kabanellas tried above. Unfortunately you can only have one <positions> tag.

[Ika Pakao]

Maybe it can be a random capital and a random tribe?

That is what kabanellas tried above. Unfortunately you can only have one <positions> tag.

I'm sorry. I'm illiterate when it comes to coding.

[Dukasaur]

All this obsession with "balancing" ruins so many good maps. Don't worry about it. Sometimes you get a great drop, sometimes you get a shitty drop. The "balance" comes in playing enough games over time that your greats and shits even out.

Give it fixed starting positions and you could dumb this thing down to the level of Feudal War, and that would be a truly horrible end for a wonderful map.

[Kabanellas]

that's why I need 2 starting positions tags - tribes and capitals could never be related.

Basically everything would stay the same. We'll be just taking out the possibility of players getting more capitals than others. All regions will continue to be randomly distributed, including capitals.

We'd be just creating a subdivision between normal distributable regions and capitals. But all randomly distributed the same.

[nolefan5311]

I understand the concern Kaba, I just don't agree that it needs to be done. So, your opponent starts with 3 capitals and you only start with 1. Like Duka said, it's all part of the game. No map is going to be perfectly fair, and this is already one of the most balanced maps out there. Obviously, it's your map and if you want to make the change, then so be it. I'm just going on the record that I don't think it needs to be changed.

[ender516]

I must again call for make capitals of dioceses as starting points like in the third crusade map. they do not need to start with 6 units, just distribute them so that each player will has the same number of them. or make them as 2 neutrals from start.

look on this map.
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=11955507

Oneyed

Cannot as the game is fog.

Now that the fog has lifted, it looks to me like yellow started with 6 capitals and blue with 2, which does seem unbalanced.

[thenobodies80]

I'm just going on the record that I don't think it needs to be changed.

+1

Leave it as it is now Kab. I understand what you want to do, but actually it's not possible...

[ender516]

Yes, but what is possible and has been suggested a few times, most recently by Ika Pakao in an admirably detailed post, is simply making the capitals starting positions. We wouldn't even need a maximum for 2-player games, as the capitals do not provide a bonus with which to overwhelm an opponent on the first turn.

[Oneyed]

Yes, but what is possible and has been suggested a few times, most recently by Ika Pakao in an admirably detailed post, is simply making the capitals starting positions. We wouldn't even need a maximum for 2-player games, as the capitals do not provide a bonus with which to overwhelm an opponent on the first turn.

100% agreed.

Oneyed

[nolefan5311]

Yes, but what is possible and has been suggested a few times, most recently by Ika Pakao in an admirably detailed post, is simply making the capitals starting positions. We wouldn't even need a maximum for 2-player games, as the capitals do not provide a bonus with which to overwhelm an opponent on the first turn.

100% agreed.

Oneyed

If the capitals are made starting positions, they will either have to be tied to certain barbarian tribes, or the barbarians tribes will have to be removed as starting positions, both of which are significantly larger changes to the gameplay than making sure an even amount of capitals are distributed.

[ender516]

Yes, but what is possible and has been suggested a few times, most recently by Ika Pakao in an admirably detailed post, is simply making the capitals starting positions. We wouldn't even need a maximum for 2-player games, as the capitals do not provide a bonus with which to overwhelm an opponent on the first turn.

100% agreed.

Oneyed

If the capitals are made starting positions, they will either have to be tied to certain barbarian tribes, or the barbarians tribes will have to be removed as starting positions, both of which are significantly larger changes to the gameplay than making sure an even amount of capitals are distributed.

Whoops, I had forgotten that the barbarians were starting positions. Your statement then is completely correct, and I apologize for keeping this going. Sorry, Oneyed, but until we get a change to the XML which allows independent sets of starting positions (and I would wholeheartedly support such a suggestion), I think we are stuck with the way things are.