Conquer Rome (The Fall of the Roman Empire) [Quenched]

[tokle]

there were Celts and Britons who ruled Isles after Romans withraw.

This is were the discussion came from. You said "after Romans withdraw". So that was the period I was thinking of.
If we're talking about the time-period of this map, then the Romans were still in control, so I'm not quite sure what we would be discussing.

And yes, I would say that we "know" nothing (or practically nothing) of the facts of history in the dark ages in Britain.

[theBastard]

there were Celts and Britons who ruled Isles after Romans withraw.

This is were the discussion came from. You said "after Romans withdraw". So that was the period I was thinking of.
If we're talking about the time-period of this map, then the Romans were still in control, so I'm not quite sure what we would be discussing.

no, the discusion came from my point that Angles invasion to England in this time period is a-historical...

And yes, I would say that we "know" nothing (or practically nothing) of the facts of history in the dark ages in Britain.

no, there is enough records. and maybe they said truth more as Romans records, which were converting by those who ruled.

[tokle]

there were Celts and Britons who ruled Isles after Romans withraw.

This is were the discussion came from. You said "after Romans withdraw". So that was the period I was thinking of.
If we're talking about the time-period of this map, then the Romans were still in control, so I'm not quite sure what we would be discussing.

no, the discusion came from my point that Angles invasion to England in this time period is a-historical...

Yes. And I said that I thought it was within reason to include Angles here. I still do.

And yes, I would say that we "know" nothing (or practically nothing) of the facts of history in the dark ages in Britain.

no, there is enough records. and maybe they said truth more as Romans records, which were converting by those who ruled.

Here again we were talking about different times.

The Romans were fond of records. The Roman period is pretty well documented. I don't know how biased they would have been as sources, but they would definitely be infinitely more accurate than Gildas or Bede or the Anglo-Saxon chronicles.

[theBastard]

The Romans were fond of records. The Roman period is pretty well documented. I don't know how biased they would have been as sources, but they would definitely be infinitely more accurate than Gildas or Bede or the Anglo-Saxon chronicles.

why? Romans knew propaganda and did it very well it is long time ago when I worked on any project about Dark Age Britain. and believe me I found much, much good records and informations.

EDIT: I think we could end this debate here. it is off map (graphics or gameplay...)

[Nola_Lifer]

No Catholics in this one. Who are we going to blame if we lose on this map? The Bishop of Rome. Well done! Another excellent map by Kab with the very style of the Nuno himself.

[neanderpaul14]

Looks awesome Kaba, lookin forward to playing it.

[Arama86n]

[Kabanellas]

I think i favor the second version, but only if you put the same painting texture that you used int he first example. Red is more Roman to me.

Out of curiosity... what's the logic behind having two Barbarian spaces instead of one?

Originally I intended to have only 1 space - The Barbarian Tribes. But after much consideration on the subject I ended realizing that might a good idea to have a second line from where you could retake the 'Base Tribe' - It would make it harder for the emperor to control these points from his seat.

From those 'Augustus', you'll have to send troops to the tribe to then take the second line - it would be too easier to just clear them from the seat itself without having to move any troops

[Kabanellas]

As for the barbarian tribes that should be included here, I think we should keep the more representative ones even if they might be a little 'offside' in this time-scope.

Like I said before: this map is not totally restrained to a closed period in Europe and Roman History - the players will make their own History

[Industrial Helix]

As for the barbarian tribes that should be included here, I think we should keep the more representative ones even if they might be a little 'offside' in this time-scope.

Like I said before: this map is not totally restrained to a closed period in Europe and Roman History - the players will make their own History

I agree with this method for the Barbarians... but I wonder if maybe Scots would do better for where the Saxons currently are and I'd like to see the Alamanni as one of the tribes... after all, its where half of Europe gets the word German from.

[Industrial Helix]

This one is ready for a move... here's hoping for a speedy trip through the gameplay workshop.

[Kabanellas]

This one is ready for a move... here's hoping for a speedy trip through the gameplay workshop.

Thanks a lot Helix

[Kabanellas]

I'd like to see the Alamanni as one of the tribes... after all, its where half of Europe gets the word German from.

I might be wrong, but as far as I know the Alamanni never really crossed the borders and settled in the empire regions......

[theBastard]

I'd like to see the Alamanni as one of the tribes... after all, its where half of Europe gets the word German from.

I might be wrong, but as far as I know the Alamanni never really crossed the borders and settled in the empire regions......

yes they crossed and banished Romans from area known as Agri Decumates. it was around Rhyne river. but they were never too important and later they were included to Frankish Empire.

so, my advice, when Alemanni will be there:

from Angles do Anglo-Saxons. Franks remove to Saxons position and to Frank´s position add Alemanni. but Burgundians are better choose as Alemanni for me...

[Kabanellas]

Not totally sold to idea of changing barbarian tribes....

Anyway, I've updated some of the artwork and relocated Sirmium to the region were it should be. We should start talking about game-play now. Is there any thing that might be worrying here?

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