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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby turtlerobot on Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:20 pm

The color is drab and it's hard to read the map.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:50 pm

mmm...it seems that I wasn't wrong when in april/june I said you that colors were are a problem. :-k
At that time you replied to me (and to others) that there wasn't a way to fix it, that was because the style of the map , etc etc and that you checked the map with colorblind filters. I decided to wait at that time...but now in beta some people is complaining again about the same thing (and you know i said you via PM that your colors are too washed imo)....anyways you have to find a way to fix it now. Fix it (and the name to change) and I'll be happy to quench this one. O:)

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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:03 am

Ok, how about you just take the map offline and substract me one medal or whatever.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby gimil on Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:07 am

natty_dread wrote:Ok, how about you just take the map offline and substract me one medal or whatever.


Come on natty, You have come this far. There is always a fix, you just need to find it.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:11 am

gimil wrote:
natty_dread wrote:Ok, how about you just take the map offline and substract me one medal or whatever.


Come on natty, You have come this far. There is always a fix, you just need to find it.


I don't currently have the time to redraw the map, so if the current image is not good enough I'm afraid there's no choice but to scrap it.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:15 am

natty_dread wrote:I don't currently have the time to redraw the map, so if the current image is not good enough I'm afraid there's no choice but to scrap it.


If you do not have the time now, can it not come out of beta till you do have the time to do it. Not sure how the foundry works in this situation. It would be a real shame if we lost this. I just love looking at it.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby DiM on Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:25 am

i'm not sure how natty made the image but i'm guessing it might be a very easy fix. simply take away the dark background and replace it with a lighter one.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:26 pm

DiM wrote:i'm not sure how natty made the image but i'm guessing it might be a very easy fix.


You'd guess wrong.

simply take away the dark background and replace it with a lighter one.


Nope, that won't cut it.

The thing is, as long as I don't have the possibility to compress my own JPEG:s, I have no way of knowing how the image that ends up on the site will look like. So I'm expected to blindly balance the colours of the image so that both normal-sighted and colourblind people won't have any problems with it. Sorry but that's impossible to do.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby DiM on Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:00 pm

natty_dread wrote:The thing is, as long as I don't have the possibility to compress my own JPEG:s, I have no way of knowing how the image that ends up on the site will look like. So I'm expected to blindly balance the colours of the image so that both normal-sighted and colourblind people won't have any problems with it. Sorry but that's impossible to do.


jpg compression has nothing to do with the current problem of the map. the colours are washed out even on the png.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:24 pm

DiM wrote:
natty_dread wrote:The thing is, as long as I don't have the possibility to compress my own JPEG:s, I have no way of knowing how the image that ends up on the site will look like. So I'm expected to blindly balance the colours of the image so that both normal-sighted and colourblind people won't have any problems with it. Sorry but that's impossible to do.


jpg compression has nothing to do with the current problem of the map. the colours are washed out even on the png.


Which png are you looking at? The first post isn't up to date.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:28 pm

In any case if you want to emulate the CC compression, you have just to set it to 80% (btw it's an issue you know I'm working on), but as DiM said in this case the colors are the problem, not the compression.

natty_dread wrote:Which png are you looking at? The first post isn't up to date


Update it then. Btw i did my test on your last one, not the one you have on the OP.

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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:44 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:In any case if you want to emulate the CC compression, you have just to set it to 80% (btw it's an issue you know I'm working on), but as DiM said in this case the colors are the problem, not the compression.


Ok, set the compression to 80. What about the other settings? Subsampling, DCT method, Smoothing, optimization? I have no idea which settings lack uses.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:48 pm

Ok, here.

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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby DiM on Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:53 pm

natty_dread wrote:Ok, here.

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while i'm not fond of how strong the colours are now, i'm pretty sure most people will prefer it over the old version:
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby gimil on Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:57 pm

I actually prefer the newer colours, it brings everything into focus. Without relinquishing to much of the grudge.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:02 pm

DiM wrote:
natty_dread wrote:Ok, here.

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while i'm not fond of how strong the colours are now, i'm pretty sure most people will prefer it over the old version:
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That's not the current version.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:14 pm

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thenobodies80 wrote:In any case if you want to emulate the CC compression, you have just to set it to 80% (btw it's an issue you know I'm working on), but as DiM said in this case the colors are the problem, not the compression.


Ok, set the compression to 80. What about the other settings? Subsampling, DCT method, Smoothing, optimization? I have no idea which settings lack uses.


You ask yourself about too many options. Don't worry about them, listen to me. Just set quality to 80%. (and don't use progressive images that are hateful)
This is what Lack probably does --> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/fireworks/cs/using/images/oe_UsingFW-Optimize-ImagePreview.png

As said this issue will be solved soon, even if, as I said, in this case the problem is not that the map suffers of a quality loss, but more that colors look all the same/similar for colorblind people.
The new version is much better, except for junks.

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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:31 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:You ask yourself about too many options. Don't worry about them, listen to me. Just set quality to 80%.


Ok, but those options are still there and I don't know what to set them so that the result becomes the same as what lackattack does.

And even so, how will I know it ever does? Lackattack uses a different software alltogether. How do I know lack's software doesn't use different compression algorithms that produce different results?

The % of quality isn't the only option that affects the size & quality of JPEG images.

thenobodies80 wrote:The new version is much better, except for junks.


Actually I think the new version looks like crap. The colours are horribly bright and look like someone vomited on my screen.

So maybe you should just take this map offline until I have the time to redraw it properly.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:19 pm

So, I hope this version works for you. If not, there's not much I can do.

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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby gimil on Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:48 am

i think it looks pretty decent, mate.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:51 am

natty_dread wrote:Actually I think the new version looks like crap. The colours are horribly bright and look like someone vomited on my screen.

So maybe you should just take this map offline until I have the time to redraw it properly.


No, I don't.
I think you have to adjust your monitor settings...the new version is much better and i tested it on two different machines (I can do a third test in few hours).
Seriously....do something to your monitor/machine....It's been a while you post/draw only washed color maps and now I understand the reason!

I can't test the junks right now with colorblind filters....did you worked on their colors? (red/teal) O:)

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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:46 am

Nobodies, I already posted a version which you can upload, with XML and all (see my last post).

thenobodies80 wrote:I think you have to adjust your monitor settings...


There's nothing wrong with my monitor settings. My monitor settings are perfect.

Little known fact: Some monitors display a higher range of colours than other monitors. For example, on my laptop, all images look much more washed out because of this.

So... it's not my fault if you only use cheap laptop monitors.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby DiM on Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:55 am

natty_dread wrote:So... it's not my fault if you only use cheap laptop monitors.



that's right, everybody except you uses cheap laptop monitors.
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:03 am

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natty_dread wrote:So... it's not my fault if you only use cheap laptop monitors.



that's right, everybody except you uses cheap laptop monitors.
especially tnb80. i heard that when he became a foundry foreman he inherited a crappy 12 inch, IBM 5151 monochrome monitor. lack has been keeping it since 1984 and has passed it from generation to generation. it still has some banana peels on it from when andy used to have it.


What the f*ck is your problem again?
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Re: Three Kingdoms of Korea [15.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:10 am

Seriously, this is getting moronic.

You'd think if there was something wrong with "my monitor settings" then perhaps photographs, video etc. would look distorted when I view them? Or too colourful or something?

How is it that when I take a picture with my digital camera, and look at it on my computer, it appears exactly as it should, not overly saturated as would be the case if my "monitor settings" were at fault.

When I look at youtube videos or shit like that, the colours appear normal. Ie. the same as what I see in the real world, with my eyes.

Then again, I see some people use colours on their maps that make me want to gouge out my retinas and eat them for breakfast. It's those guys whose monitor settings should be examined more closely, I wager.

But no, that doesn't stop some people from assuming that I can't fucking use a monitor, and talking down to me like an idiot who "needs to adjust your monitor" because "your maps look like shit". Yeah thanks, that's really heartwarming.

Seriously people, use your fucking brains.
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