SFR Yugoslavia [Quenched]

[shakeycat]

Since we're going 2D on everything else, how about the army circles? Is there some cool option other than the bubble that you can think of? While I like how simple and understated they are, I just wonder if they no longer fit the map/theme.

[The Bison King]

Since we're going 2D on everything else, how about the army circles? Is there some cool option other than the bubble that you can think of? While I like how simple and understated they are, I just wonder if they no longer fit the map/theme.

ugh it's like you are on a crusade to make natty change everything I've found to be visually unique about this map. The dimples are cool, the 3d stars were cool, the 3d port symbols were cool, and the mountains were cool. Now everything is flat and boring. just like every other map ever.

(not that every map on this site is boring, but you get my point)

[gimil]

hi natty,

I have to be honest, I have taken a disliking to the army circles you have used. They look like contact lenses. I don't like the 3D effect of them, doesn't go with the 2Dness of the map. I think you would be better with plan old, flat dark circles.

[natty dread]

Hey guys, I'm afraid I'm going to have to go with my gut instinct with this one...

The army circles may not be the most theme-appropriate thing ever, but they actually improve the clarity of the map - and they blend in with the map unlike any other army circles I've seen. I don't think any other army circle type could fit this map as well.

If the idea that someone would carve small hemispheroid holes in a wall painting of a map bothers you, maybe you can just pretend that the army circles are painted on? I don't know. I just really like them. It's like you can imagine placing little marbles into those holes.

[gimil]

Hey guys, I'm afraid I'm going to have to go with my gut instinct with this one...

The army circles may not be the most theme-appropriate thing ever, but they actually improve the clarity of the map - and they blend in with the map unlike any other army circles I've seen. I don't think any other army circle type could fit this map as well.

If the idea that someone would carve small hemispheroid holes in a wall painting of a map bothers you, maybe you can just pretend that the army circles are painted on? I don't know. I just really like them. It's like you can imagine placing little marbles into those holes.

Thats cool with me, it was just a thought. The contact lenses can stay

[koontz1973]

Hey guys, I'm afraid I'm going to have to go with my gut instinct with this one...

The army circles may not be the most theme-appropriate thing ever, but they actually improve the clarity of the map - and they blend in with the map unlike any other army circles I've seen. I don't think any other army circle type could fit this map as well.

If the idea that someone would carve small hemispheroid holes in a wall painting of a map bothers you, maybe you can just pretend that the army circles are painted on? I don't know. I just really like them. It's like you can imagine placing little marbles into those holes.

Loved them since you first did them. They fit the map really well. It is as if someone took a drill to a wall and could not get very far.

[cairnswk]

Natty...i'm not a big fan of the legend, flag and Tito corner. It doesn't sit well on map overall and i hate that it covers the sea route line...perhaps jiggle a little with it, move things around a bit to see if some better design can be done with it...i don't know what to offer there but i am sure you'll find something if you desire to.
the rest of the map is beautiful and very "your style" congrats on that part. i totally like the circles and they don't look out of place.

[natty dread]

Thanks cairns.

Yeah I know, the legend poster didn't really turn out as I wanted it to, and I'm not really sure how to get it the way I'd want it to be...

I'm going to have to play with it some more, I guess.

[iancanton]

the gameplay is looking pretty good, with use being made of the xml to limit the number of starting capitals. perhaps u can add an extra region to slovenia (by splitting east slovenia into stajerska and gorenjska in the south), so that it doesn't serve the function of classic oceania so much? some mountains on bosnia's border with montenegro will also provide some protection for the central players, reducing the feeling in multiplayer games that u must start from the extremities to win.

ian.

[natty dread]

the gameplay is looking pretty good, with use being made of the xml to limit the number of starting capitals. perhaps u can add an extra region to slovenia (by splitting east slovenia into stajerska and gorenjska in the south), so that it doesn't serve the function of classic oceania so much? some mountains on bosnia's border with montenegro will also provide some protection for the central players, reducing the feeling in multiplayer games that u must start from the extremities to win.

ian.

I don't know - I'd rather keep Slovenia as 3 territories: the left side of the map doesn't really have any other good bonuses, and if I make Slovenia any weaker then the right side would be too powerful. Macedonia + Kosovo is already a pretty strong place to start, with good expansion potential to Serbia - Slovenia being an easy to take, easy to hold bonus on the western edge balances this somewhat. Also, Slovenia is a quick and easy bonus, but it has less expansion potential - you can either take Zagreb for the capital bonus, or go for the ports, but that's it... and neither is as good as holding Serbia, Macedonia and Kosovo.

I could add some impassable in Montenegro though... that might be a good way to make it a bit more viable. If I put an impassable between Niksic & Trebinje, making Montenegro 2 borders, would it be better to reduce it's bonus to 2, or keep it at 3?

[natty dread]

Ok... I haven't yet figured out what to do with the legend, so I'm leaving it be for now until I can think of something.

I added a little mountain between Bosnia & Montenegro, though. Now should I reduce Montenegro's bonus to 2? Or keep it at 3 for being in a central location? I don't know...

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[koontz1973]

I added a little mountain between Bosnia & Montenegro, though. Now should I reduce Montenegro's bonus to 2? Or keep it at 3 for being in a central location? I don't know...

Reduce to 2 I would think. Less territs than the other 2 bonus regions but has the same amount of openings (apart from Slovenia). Just an opinion.

[theBastard]

2 would be better for Montenegro now.

[natty dread]

Yes, 2 would fit it better.

The only thing is, I would like to have one bonus area of 3 on the map...

[theBastard]

Yes, 2 would fit it better.

The only thing is, I would like to have one bonus area of 3 on the map...

if you divide East Slovenia to two regions (so Slovenia will has 4 regions) it would be +3 for Slovenia. and maybe this new region would not has border...