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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby natty dread on Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:00 am

Well, as soon as the updates are uploaded.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:50 pm

Updated! :)
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:10 am

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby natty dread on Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:19 am

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:30 am

Yeah, I've got a quads game going on it, and so far so good. :D


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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby natty dread on Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:21 am

The map seems much more balanced for 1v1 now, although I only have one game going for now... anyone have any more input on that front?
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:26 am

natty_dread wrote:The map seems much more balanced for 1v1 now, although I only have one game going for now... anyone have any more input on that front?

Since I mainly play 1vs1, I'll start up a game.


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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:34 pm

natty_dread wrote:The map seems much more balanced for 1v1 now, although I only have one game going for now... anyone have any more input on that front?


I played a couple of games, it doesn't seems bad to me.
But I'll start some others just to be sure ;)
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:26 pm

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natty_dread wrote:The map seems much more balanced for 1v1 now, although I only have one game going for now... anyone have any more input on that front?


I played a couple of games, it doesn't seems bad to me.
But I'll start some others just to be sure ;)

I've just mostly finished a bunch of 1vs1 games, and for the most part, I think it has been pretty balanced. Only had 1 game where it felt like things were a little unbalanced, but I think it was more a fluke.


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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:26 pm

Well, I'm pretty satisfied with the current gameplay, and no one seems to be complaining.

Maybe it's time to consider quenching this thing ;)
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:35 am

natty_dread wrote:Well, I'm pretty satisfied with the current gameplay, and no one seems to be complaining.

Maybe it's time to consider quenching this thing ;)


Me too.
The only thing I'm currently tracking (and that holds this one from being quenched) is the presence of all those neutrals in the middle part that usually tend to split the map in two parts (north/south), so the player with a little of disadvantage (or second to play in a game) is blocked by those neutrals and can't counterattack the opponent without go throught neutrals armies.
Just tracking how often this happen in the early turns, because it's the only thing I really don't like in this map right now.

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby natty dread on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:40 am

What game types are you speaking of?
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:57 am

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:04 am

In the few 1vs1 games I played, what happened most often is that Vojvodina was often isolated by neutrals, making it tough to break into if someone managed it, and the same with Macedonia.

Otherwise the map is pretty open for 1vs1, though moving around in the center of the map was sometimes troublesome because Doboj-Titovo-Trebinje can effectively be a wall, probably because of the river near Sarajevo.


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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby natty dread on Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:19 pm

Well the neutral situation is something that pretty much can't be helped. It's a choice between having lots of neutrals or starting with 12 territories...

Personally I think 1v1 plays reasonably well most of the time... 2v2 is the best game type for the map that I've tried. I haven't tried other team games, multiplayer seems to be ok.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby Condestável on Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:18 am

Is this supposed to happen? :mrgreen:
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My opponent hasn't played yet, but just started with Vojvodina almost complete and his 4 army territory overthere :mrgreen:

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby natty dread on Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:16 am

Yeah, things happen sometimes.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:39 am

natty_dread wrote:Well the neutral situation is something that pretty much can't be helped. It's a choice between having lots of neutrals or starting with 12 territories...

Personally I think 1v1 plays reasonably well most of the time... 2v2 is the best game type for the map that I've tried. I haven't tried other team games, multiplayer seems to be ok.

Plays just beautifully with 5 and 7 players.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:27 am

The above image is the perfect example of what I was trying to say. Not so much for the fact that the player has 3/4 of Vojvodina, but more for the neutral wall in the middle, from Slavonia to titograd (or south kosovo).

And like Andy said, that river doesn't help at all...

Probably in this case I would like to start with a worst number of region than be fucked from the start like the green player in this game.
The neutral on this map are shields for the lucky player, right now in more than 60% of games I checked...:-k

No way to move your coded neutrals in other places?
Maybe this map is beautiful for 5 and 7 players games but certainly they are not the most used game type on this site.

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby natty dread on Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:48 am

thenobodies80 wrote:No way to move your coded neutrals in other places?


Which neutrals would you want moved? The capitals have to be neutral, and the only other coded neutrals are the 3 territories with 2:s.

I don't know if 2-player games can be made any better on this map without radically changing the gameplay. The map works for multiplayer and 2v2 games, and not every map needs to be perfect for 1v1, so I don't really see what I can do, short of allowing 2-player games to start with 12 territories again.

thenobodies80 wrote:Maybe this map is beautiful for 5 and 7 players games but certainly they are not the most used game type on this site.


But 6 and 8 players are, and the map works for those as well.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:18 am

the river? I think that with some work on it you can have a better map without destroying the current layout for 6 and 8 players.

It seems to me you're not so open to changes with your maps lately....
As said the "neutral wall" is not a big issue but it happens very often....this is what I don't like. It seems my cyprus map, but in that map there's a reason to have a wall....i can't find on efor this map. Just that.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby natty dread on Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:52 am

thenobodies80 wrote:the river? I think that with some work on it you can have a better map without destroying the current layout for 6 and 8 players.


What about the river?

It seems to me you're not so open to changes with your maps lately....


If "open to changes" means I can't have any opinions of my own regarding the gameplay design of my maps...

As said the "neutral wall" is not a big issue but it happens very often....this is what I don't like. It seems my cyprus map, but in that map there's a reason to have a wall....i can't find on efor this map. Just that.


Ok, but I still don't see why every map has to be perfect for 1v1 games?

This map wasn't really designed with 1v1 as a priority in the first place, I don't see why I should now jump through hoops to accommodate it for 1v1 games... the map works pretty fine for the game types it was designed for.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby natty dread on Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:25 pm

So, what exactly is it that you want me to do with this map? I haven't really heard any actual suggestions...
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [21.10.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:12 pm

natty_dread wrote:So, what exactly is it that you want me to do with this map? I haven't really heard any actual suggestions...


AndyDufresne wrote:...though moving around in the center of the map was sometimes troublesome because Doboj-Titovo-Trebinje can effectively be a wall, probably because of the river near Sarajevo.


Remove it. O:)

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