Conquer Club

Stop now.

What? I'm doing the best I can to give a good experience to the foundry visitors, to ensure that they feel their feedback is being listened even when it's not being accepted. We wouldn't want to drive away commenters by casual comments, now would we?

Overall, I think I wouldn't mind seeing the river adjusted and some of those internal connections, but I don't think it is a must. From the games I played, the gameplay worked pretty well (from a 1vs1 stand point at least).


--Andy

I'll do the river change, then we'll do some more playtesting, and if it sucks we can revert back to the current version.

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Is this being uploaded?

Sent to the turtle, sorry for the little delay.
I fell asleep yesterday so I didn't send the files.

Ok, nice.

The new version should be live now.

Started a final bunch of 1vs1 to see how it plays. I rarely play team games, so if anyone wants to give a feedback about the new version (with the river change) it would be great!

Natty, what are your thoughts about the current version? I played some games in these days...it doesn't seem so much different to me, just a bit more open in the middle. Anyone with a feedback about team games?

Well, I'm satisfied with how the map plays now. I haven't heard any complaints about the current gameplay. If no further objections arise I'd be happy to have this quenched as it is now.

OK, nice. Let's go with a last call then.

Last Call

If anyone has any other comments on tweaking the gameplay/graphics, now is the time to speak up! If there are no other concerns within the next couple of days, this map will be quenched!

thenobodies80

Hello,
I realy like this map, it gives you lot of diferent possibilities to your strategy.
And I was born in Jugoslavija.
One of the best maps I ever play.
Please do not change anything.
Congratilations for good work.
Have a nice time and a lot of luck Radosh

If I may give some suggestions for this map. I love it, but you have missed some points:

1. In SFRJ, Kosovo and Vojvodina were provinces of Serbia (and what you named "Serbia" was "Inner Serbia"). You could put "greater" bonus for holding whole Serbia (Inner Serbia, Vojvodina and Kosovo)

2. There isn't river between Syrmia and Slavonia. River Danube and Tisa divide Vojvodina in 3 regions: Bačka (between Danube on west and south, Tisa on east and Hungarian border on north), Banat (between Tisa on north-west, Danube on south-west and south, Romanian border on east and Hungarian border on north) and Syrmia or Srem (between Danube on north and east, Croatian border on west and Sava river on south).
You could just put Danube and Sava as rivers and maybe Morava
Your division of Vojvodina is ok, but you have made few mistakes with bridges:
-Slavonia and Syrmia are bordering and that border should be crossable
-You should put Danube between Bačka, Syrmia and Banat with bridge only between Bačka and Syrmia
-There should be bridge between Slavonia and Bačka (or Novi Sad how you named it)
-There should be bridge between Syrmia and Belgrade as bridge "Gazela" is one of the most crossed bridges in Balkans (it connects Syrmia and rest of Serbia)
-There is a bridge between Belgrade and Banat, but you could eliminate it to keep game interesting

3. You divided Bosnia and Herzegovina as it is now divided (between Federation of BiH entity and Republic of Srpska entity). Until 1992. regions in B&H were a bit different. In my oppinion you should have made regions: Posavina (North BiH, by river Sava), Bosanska Krajina (western BiH), Cazinska Krajina (north-west of BiH, bordering Croatia), Podrinje (eastern BiH), Herzegovina (southern BiH) and Central Bosnia (perhaps dividing it into Tuzla and Sarajevo)... something like this map

4. Your region "Podrinje" should me renamed to "Mačva" or "Šumadija" if you extend it a bit more

Those are my suggestions, if it's not too late for editing the map

Thanks for the feedback. Geographical accuracy isn't the first priority for CC maps, and sometimes a bit of artistic license has to be taken to make the map play better.

I'm sorry, but at this point I'm not going to make any major changes to the map unless there are gameplay-based reasons for doing so.

I thought that changing Vojvodina would make it more interesting and accurate and giving bonus for Central Serbia+Vojvodina+Kosovo would be good

Yeah, the thing is, you're proposing some quite major changes that would require a major overhaul & re-design of the map. These are the types of suggestions that should have been presented while the map was still in development.

At this point... well, you're the only one asking for these changes, and no one brought these things up during development, so there isn't much I can do. If more people want these changes, and the foundry mods agree to take the map down and put it back in the foundry to be re-designed, then I can do that. But for now, it stays as is, barring any gameplay imbalances that need to be corrected.

natty_dread wrote:These are the types of suggestions that should have been presented while the map was still in development.

Yeah, I 100% agree.
The FF and the Beta stages are there for tweaking a map not to completely redraw it (except when there's something really wrong from a game point of view)
Although some suggestions can be considered very good suggestions, they should have come earlier in the map development, that's why it is important that the players visit the foundry and suggest when map are in production and not only when in the Beta stage.
Anyway there're no reason for not have another map with your gameplay, so smithdetlic you can suggest your idea in the dedicated subforum or start to draw a new version of this map yourself.

I came to forum today (by accident) I didn't know just how things work with map development. Like I said, I gave those suggestions from my point of view (as a player, not as a developer)

"Syrmia" should be named "Srem". Since all other names are how they were in SFRJ.

Yeah I can change that. If only I remember what font I used on this map...

So the name is the only thing to change? ok, perfect change it and this one will be quenched as soon as the new files will be uploaded.

thenobodies80 wrote:So the name is the only thing to change? ok, perfect change it and this one will be quenched as soon as the new files will be uploaded.

I suggested more things to be changed, but since there wasn't good will from the creator of the map...

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