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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:14 am

Alternate bridge arrangement?

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(just noticed that the impassable between macedonia/kosovo is obsolete now)
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby Boler on Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:34 am

Just a question and a comment.

Is Split-Dalmatia connected to Dubrovnik, or is it a pocket? There is no visible border between the two, so i'd expect it to be a pocket, but just because the two countries are so close on the map, and because they are both part of the same bonus, you might want to connect them.

I was thinking the Slovenia bonus seemed a touch high. If someone also held Primorje-Gorski, that would make it into the classic South America bonus (2 entrances, 4 terits) except you would be getting 3 instead of 2 armies. It is also seperated from the other small bonuses where the other people would start out by a fairly large stretch of land, so it is even less likely to be attacked.

Good job though! It looks like a fun, simple map.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:45 am

Boler wrote:Is Split-Dalmatia connected to Dubrovnik,


They're connected via Adriatic Sea, but not directly.

Boler wrote:I was thinking the Slovenia bonus seemed a touch high.


Slovenia was given an extra army to compensate for it having poor expansion options. Although one could argue that it now has better options, like grabbing Zagreb or going for the Port bonus. Maybe I'll change it to 2.

Boler wrote:Good job though! It looks like a fun, simple map.


Thanks.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:59 am

Ok I changed Slovenia to 2 and Serbia to 5 (since it has one less border now).

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Also I think the capitals will start with 4 troops. 5 seems like it would limit you in the area of the capital you get in the drop, so I figure 4 will work better.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby isaiah40 on Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:07 pm

Or you can move two of the capitals so that two terri... oh wait you already did that! :lol:
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:02 am

What, of course I didn't move capitals... no one can move capitals...

I just moved the borders around them ;)
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:41 am

Look I made some palettes!

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby sannemanrobinson on Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:44 am

The second colour pallet fits the theme nicely with a little dark undertone. Croatia only becomes a little hard to distinguish with the colour gradient and army circles.

The capitals are not CC capitals anymore. Maybe name them city's? Also a tower from an old wall could fit instead of the stars.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:58 am

sannemanrobinson wrote:The capitals are not CC capitals anymore.


There's no such thing as "CC capitals"... ie. "Capital" is not a reserved CC term so it can be used as the mapmaker wants.

sannemanrobinson wrote:Also a tower from an old wall could fit instead of the stars.


Stars are common symbols for capitals on maps. Anyway I'll look more into this in graphics.

Anyway I tend to agree about the colours. The second palette does fit the style, but I wonder if it's a bit too drab... perhaps if I swap Slovenia with Montenegro, to give a more even spread of saturation...
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:11 am

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:14 am

I must say, I like all of the changes made thus far. That being said, I'm still not sold on the capitals concept, though I like the idea of each player starting with one.

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:20 am

Ok I added a bridge to dubrovnik. Decided it's best to connect it to rest of Croatia.

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby isaiah40 on Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:27 am

You don't need that bridge there because you have the ports making the connection. Or did you forget about them in your old age? :lol:
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:30 am

Ports only connect to Adriatic sea.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby isaiah40 on Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:34 am

natty_dread wrote:Ports only connect to Adriatic sea.


Yea but you can go from port to Adriatic Sea to port right? Or am I missing something?
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:35 am

Yes, or you can go through Herzegovina, or halfway around the map. The point is, now there's a direct connection.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby isaiah40 on Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:37 am

natty_dread wrote:BTW where's my red dot? :?:


You don't get a red dot! It's against Section 4, paragraph 3.1 of the Game Play Rules and Guidelines
No dots shall be given to anyone whose name is natty.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:04 pm

Oh, you're moving me straight to graphics then?
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby isaiah40 on Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:08 pm

Well Section 3.2 says the same thing but for graphics, Section 3.3 is for Final Forge. Now Section 3.4 says that
No person with the name of natty shall have any map quenched, unless he/she counts to 3. That is 3, not 2, not 4, but 3 shall thou count to. Then shall he/she gets his/her map quenched!
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:48 am

I have a gameplay issue that needs solving.

Currently, the way the map is designed, there's 8 capitals - each player starts with 1 capital (4 troops in each), the leftover capitals start neutral, and the other 36 territories start with a random drop.

This should make for a good gameplay. The only problem is Kosovo - having only 2 territories, it's likely to get it on the drop. Actually, the odds of getting it in a 2 or 3 player game are 1 in 24. With more players it's even lower... so the question is, is a 1 in 24 chance of dropping a +1 bonus an issue?

The only way to prevent anyone from dropping with the Kosovo bonus is to make South Kosovo neutral. But this would mess up the drops, since there would now be 35 territories starting with a random drop - so in a 2 or 3 player game, each player would get 1 capital and 11 other territories - meaning everyone would start with 12. To counter this, there's only two options: add one territory somewhere (I can't think of where) or, make 4 territories neutral (maybe 1 in each of the 2-3 territory bonuses?)

So... adding 4 neutrals, or a 1/24 chance (in 2-3 player games) of dropping a +1 bonus?

I don't really like the idea of adding that many neutrals, since they tend to make bonuses less attractive in 1v1 and team games. I would prefer just having the map start as it is, but is that 1 in 24 chance too high? Of course, unless the player who drops the bonus also starts first, the other player(s) would still have a good chance to break it, so it's more like a 1/48 chance in a 2-player game to get a really good 1st round advantage.

But then again, 1v1 is a really drop-dependent gametype anyway, and as long as most games are fair on it, I don't see that small chance as a huge issue.

So, feedback about this would be welcome.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:10 am

I could add in Albania as a territory and connect it with Titograd & Polog...
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:38 pm

:-k My first thought was to edit the starting positions, but that wouldn't really solve the issue, unless you had the max at 1... I think adding in Albania would be a good solution. You could include it as an Adriatic port and 0 bonus, since it's not part of Yugoslavia.

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:53 pm

My first thought was to code the 2 and 3 territory bonuses with one territory starting as neutral. Then when I reread your idea of adding in Albania as a non-bonus territory, and coding the one territory in the 2 territory bonus, I thought that this would be the best way to go. It would make easier for everyone I think.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:29 pm

Alright, albania it is.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Postby natty dread on Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:21 pm

I'm not really sure about this after all... not sure if it fits the map:

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