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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [11.12.11]

Postby natty dread on Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:34 am

Thanks for the feedback. Geographical accuracy isn't the first priority for CC maps, and sometimes a bit of artistic license has to be taken to make the map play better.

I'm sorry, but at this point I'm not going to make any major changes to the map unless there are gameplay-based reasons for doing so.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [11.12.11]

Postby smithdetlic on Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:07 am

I thought that changing Vojvodina would make it more interesting and accurate and giving bonus for Central Serbia+Vojvodina+Kosovo would be good
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [11.12.11]

Postby natty dread on Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:56 am

Yeah, the thing is, you're proposing some quite major changes that would require a major overhaul & re-design of the map. These are the types of suggestions that should have been presented while the map was still in development.

At this point... well, you're the only one asking for these changes, and no one brought these things up during development, so there isn't much I can do. If more people want these changes, and the foundry mods agree to take the map down and put it back in the foundry to be re-designed, then I can do that. But for now, it stays as is, barring any gameplay imbalances that need to be corrected.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [11.12.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:04 am

natty_dread wrote:These are the types of suggestions that should have been presented while the map was still in development.


Yeah, I 100% agree.
The FF and the Beta stages are there for tweaking a map not to completely redraw it (except when there's something really wrong from a game point of view)
Although some suggestions can be considered very good suggestions, they should have come earlier in the map development, that's why it is important that the players visit the foundry and suggest when map are in production and not only when in the Beta stage.
Anyway there're no reason for not have another map with your gameplay, so smithdetlic you can suggest your idea in the dedicated subforum or start to draw a new version of this map yourself. ;)

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [11.12.11]

Postby smithdetlic on Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:18 am

I came to forum today (by accident) :) I didn't know just how things work with map development. Like I said, I gave those suggestions from my point of view (as a player, not as a developer)
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [11.12.11]

Postby kaikeva on Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:21 pm

"Syrmia" should be named "Srem". Since all other names are how they were in SFRJ.
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [11.12.11]

Postby natty dread on Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:40 pm

Yeah I can change that. If only I remember what font I used on this map... :lol:
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [11.12.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:22 am

So the name is the only thing to change? ok, perfect change it and this one will be quenched as soon as the new files will be uploaded. ;)

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [11.12.11]

Postby smithdetlic on Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:40 am

thenobodies80 wrote:So the name is the only thing to change? ok, perfect change it and this one will be quenched as soon as the new files will be uploaded. ;)


I suggested more things to be changed, but since there wasn't good will from the creator of the map...
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [11.12.11]

Postby natty dread on Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:02 am

Updates!

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Re: SFR Yugoslavia [21.1.12] updates p31

Postby thenobodies80 on Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:20 pm

Sent to the turtle! ;)

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Re: SFR Yugoslavia [21.1.12] updates p31

Postby natty dread on Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:20 pm

Thanks! :)
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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [11.12.11]

Postby natty dread on Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:54 am

thenobodies80 wrote:So the name is the only thing to change? ok, perfect change it and this one will be quenched as soon as the new files will be uploaded. ;)


The updates are live now ;)


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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [11.12.11]

Postby Oneyed on Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:00 am

natty_dread wrote:Thanks for the feedback. Geographical accuracy isn't the first priority for CC maps, and sometimes a bit of artistic license has to be taken to make the map play better.

I'm sorry, but at this point I'm not going to make any major changes to the map unless there are gameplay-based reasons for doing so.


some of the points mentioned by smithdetlic are important. he is from Serbia and I think he knows his country well. extra thing is "new" river between Srem and Slavonia. I understand that the map is almost done, so these huge changes are not welcome. but it is not the first time when I see that somebody refers to "priority" of CC - gameplay not geographical/historical accuracy.

I think many of things mentioned by smithdetlic could be done at the start of mapmaking. these would be not hurdles for gameplay.

all what I can say to mapmakers, please keep eye on geography and try accept historical, cultural aspects.

nice graphics and idea, btw.

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Re: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [11.12.11]

Postby smithdetlic on Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:47 am

Oneyed wrote:
natty_dread wrote:Thanks for the feedback. Geographical accuracy isn't the first priority for CC maps, and sometimes a bit of artistic license has to be taken to make the map play better.

I'm sorry, but at this point I'm not going to make any major changes to the map unless there are gameplay-based reasons for doing so.


some of the points mentioned by smithdetlic are important. he is from Serbia and I think he knows his country well. extra thing is "new" river between Srem and Slavonia. I understand that the map is almost done, so these huge changes are not welcome. but it is not the first time when I see that somebody refers to "priority" of CC - gameplay not geographical/historical accuracy.

I think many of things mentioned by smithdetlic could be done at the start of mapmaking. these would be not hurdles for gameplay.

all what I can say to mapmakers, please keep eye on geography and try accept historical, cultural aspects.

nice graphics and idea, btw.

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Thanks for support ;)
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