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Re: SteamWorks

Postby thenobodies80 on Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:49 pm

The updated files were sent to lackattack ;)

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Re: SteamWorks

Postby DiM on Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:12 pm

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Re: SteamWorks

Postby White Moose on Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:52 pm

What can I say, the map doesn't work well for 1v1s at least.
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Re: SteamWorks

Postby DiM on Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:11 pm

White Moose wrote:What can I say, the map doesn't work well for 1v1s at least.



you played just a single 1v1 game that you won in 10 rounds.
none of the players received a bonus from the start and there was no map related advantage for going first.
the fact that the game lasted 10 rounds on a map where each player started with just 8 terits also tells me that there's no 2nd round elimination crap like on other maps.

so what exactly was the problem? because just by looking at your game i can say the map is actually great for 1v1 since it provides an environment where random influence is greatly reduced and strategy is the key to winning a game that actually lasts longer than a couple of turns.
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Re: SteamWorks

Postby IcePack on Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:19 pm

My only comment, is some of the text at the bottom is damn near impossible to read on an iphone. I got an invite to this map and had to put off even playing a turn until i could get on a borrowed computer to read about the game play...

Other then that, it appears to be a fun layout. I just hope I remember what the legend says :/
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Re: SteamWorks

Postby DiM on Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:23 pm

IcePack wrote:My only comment, is some of the text at the bottom is damn near impossible to read on an iphone. I got an invite to this map and had to put off even playing a turn until i could get on a borrowed computer to read about the game play...

Other then that, it appears to be a fun layout. I just hope I remember what the legend says :/



to be honest i have no idea how the map is displayed on an iphone or on any other phones. if the map is automatically resized to fit the iphone screen then it's normal not to be able to read cause it would be really really small. but you should be able to zoom in (i think)
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Re: SteamWorks

Postby IcePack on Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:29 pm

You can zoom in, i guess my critique is more "compared with other maps, i have to zoom in much further" for it to be legible.
It's impossible to read the legend and see the map on the same screen. (note: this is not the only map like this...just the only one in beta, so I thought id comment).

Looks fun tho, I'll play it more (on the borrowed computer, til I know it better and can play on my phone)

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Re: SteamWorks

Postby DiM on Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:36 pm

well the basic logic is pretty simple so i guess a couple of games is all you need to master it :)

if you play only on your iphone then you might want to go to the suggestion subforum and support a certain suggestion about maps for mobile devices.

read more here: viewtopic.php?f=127&t=152827
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Re: SteamWorks

Postby ender516 on Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:41 pm

I was just examining the XML in detail (because of the way BOB displays continents with overrides, I was a little puzzled) and I see that holding One Steam and no engines at all does not incur the -1 bonus, as the legend implies that it should.
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Re: SteamWorks

Postby DiM on Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:01 pm

ender516 wrote:I was just examining the XML in detail (because of the way BOB displays continents with overrides, I was a little puzzled) and I see that holding One Steam and no engines at all does not incur the -1 bonus, as the legend implies that it should.


"Having more steam than engines is fatal. For each excess steam you lose all engine bonuses and get -1 troop per turn"

that's what the legend says. the fact that you lose all engine bonuses means that you must first own such a bonus so you must also own at least one engine. the idea is that if you pump to much steam in your engine it blows and you get the negative bonus. now if you have just a steam and no engine there's nothing to blow is there? :P
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Re: SteamWorks

Postby ender516 on Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:18 pm

Well, I suppose you could argue it that way. I just figured 1 steam is more than 0 engines, so the -1 would apply. Now I see that I can hold All Steam and not be penalized, but taking one Engine at that point would be horrendous.

Perhaps a clearer wording would be: "If you have engines, having too much steam is bad! ..."
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Re: SteamWorks

Postby zimmah on Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:14 am

DiM wrote:
ender516 wrote:I was just examining the XML in detail (because of the way BOB displays continents with overrides, I was a little puzzled) and I see that holding One Steam and no engines at all does not incur the -1 bonus, as the legend implies that it should.


"Having more steam than engines is fatal. For each excess steam you lose all engine bonuses and get -1 troop per turn"

that's what the legend says. the fact that you lose all engine bonuses means that you must first own such a bonus so you must also own at least one engine. the idea is that if you pump to much steam in your engine it blows and you get the negative bonus. now if you have just a steam and no engine there's nothing to blow is there? :P


my reasoning exactly.

ender516 wrote:Well, I suppose you could argue it that way. I just figured 1 steam is more than 0 engines, so the -1 would apply. Now I see that I can hold All Steam and not be penalized, but taking one Engine at that point would be horrendous.

Perhaps a clearer wording would be: "If you have engines, having too much steam is bad! ..."


you can get all 7 steam and still get the normal amount of troops, but when you take 1 engine after that it'd going to make a huge blast and gain you -6 troops, that'll probably lose you the game right away.
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Re: SteamWorks

Postby zimmah on Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:17 am

ender516 wrote:I was just examining the XML in detail (because of the way BOB displays continents with overrides, I was a little puzzled) and I see that holding One Steam and no engines at all does not incur the -1 bonus, as the legend implies that it should.


here's the list according to BOB with no overrides in effect.

Code: Select all
Northwest (1)
Northeast (2)     
Eastmidlands (2)     
Westmidlands (2)     
Southwest (3)     
Southeast (4) 
East (3)     
One Engine (0)
Two Engines (0) 
Three Engines (0) 
Four Engines (0)     
Five Engines (0)     
Six Engines (0)     
All Engines (0)
One Steam (0)
Two Steam (0)
Three Steam (0) 
Four Steam (0)     
Five Steam (0)
Six Steam (0) 
All Steam (0)     
One Powered Engine (1)     
Two Steam and One Engine (-1)     
Three Steam and One Engine (-2)   
Four Steam and One Engine (-3) 
Five Steam and One Engine (-4) 
Six Steam and One Engine (-5)   
All Steam and One Engine (-6) 
Two Powered Engines (2)
Three Steam and Two Engines (-1)     
Four Steam and Two Engines (-2)     
Five Steam and Two Engines (-3)     
Six Steam and Two Engines (-4)     
All Steam and Two Engines (-5) 
Three Powered Engines (3)     
Four Steam and Three Engines (-1) 
Five Steam and Three Engines (-2) 
Six Steam and Three Engines (-3)     
All Steam and Three Engines (-4)     
Four Powered Engines (4)
Five Steam and Four Engines (-1)     
Six Steam and Four Engines (-2)     
All Steam and Four Engines (-3)     
Five Powered Engines (5)
Six Steam and Five Engines (-1)     
All Steam and Five Engines (-2)     
Six Powered Engines (6)     
All Steam and Six Engines (-1)     
Seven Powered Engines (7)     
No Continent     Oxford(5)


note that having 4 engines and 3 steam will just state you have 3 powered engines as i dind't feel the need to add much more code just to state you have a 4th engine doing absolutely nothing, it would just clutter the log.

/ edit in fact it does show the extra engine but in a seperate continent that gives no bonus at all
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Re: SteamWorks

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:43 am

The updated version is now live! :)

Btw it's possible to have the Isle of Wight anchor moved elsewhere to make clearer that the symbol is referred to the island and not to one of the other territories?
Maybe on the (down)left side of the island, where now you have "Isle"/"Isle of" written?

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Re: SteamWorks

Postby crazymilkshake5 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:19 pm

:glitch: if you have 2 steam and no engines your fine, but if you have 2 steam and 1 enine you lose an army.
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