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Re: London

Postby natty dread on Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:07 pm

Ok I'm going to eat my words... Problem was, the river would go through the Richmond territory, which would have an impassable going through a territory which I really hate. So I decided to give Rj:s suggestion a shot. If it looks like crap I can change it back...

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Re: London

Postby The Bison King on Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:14 pm

forgive me for being blunt but this just seems... a little bland.
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Re: London

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:20 pm

As far as the river goes, I think your words were worth eating.

As far as TBK's comment goes, it does have some merit... Something definitely needs to be done with that background, if nothing else.

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Re: London

Postby natty dread on Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:44 am

I still haven't figured out what to do with the impassables... anyone has ideas, post here plox. So I put in some temporary crap in place.

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Also: any reason why this hasn't been moved?
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Re: London

Postby DiM on Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:14 am

Bruceswar wrote:Nice to have the gameplay already laid out for you. ;)


is the gameplay set in stone or something? 8-[
i understand this was part of a competition or something but honestly i think the gameplay is really poor.

you have no small continents. no equivalent for australia or south america from classic.

you basically have 3 medium continents and 2 large ones.
such maps lead to 2 types of games:

1. attrition games, where nobody goes for continents and they just kill other people's troops or simply build up
2. drop&dice roulette games, where somebody will take a continent only if the drop and dice help him and from that point he's probably the winner.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:11 am

On the otherhand, team games, escalating, 1v1s people don't care much for continents anyway...

Anyway, do you have any suggestions for fixing it?
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby DiM on Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:48 am

natty_dread wrote:On the otherhand, team games, escalating, 1v1s people don't care much for continents anyway...

Anyway, do you have any suggestions for fixing it?



haven't thought about it since i don't know the status of the map.
that's why i was asking if the gameplay is set in stone. or if it can be changed...

i would personally split one of the big continents or even both. but if that's not doable i'd love to see a whole different gameplay.
more precise, i'd love to see a bleak london taking bombardments from the nazi in ww2. you could even add the unfinished vergeltungswaffe 3 and make it like an alternate reality.
using the new setting you could keep the continents but add more balance by creating bombarded zones that decay or return to neutral and all kinds of interesting stuff. you could even make an objective to hold all the v-3 sites.

sorry i'm away on vacation now so i don't have enough time to further develop the idea.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:29 am

As for breaking one of the bigger continents up, how about splitting Northwest up and putting West in. For the impassables, you can always use the motorways, north/south ring road and the royal parks. As for DiM's suggestions, worth considering (alternative history, not WW2).

As for the style of the map, why so bleak and depressing? London is a great city full of life and colour. That whole skyline image looks like it came from the 1800's (foggy, not buildings). The Union Jack needs to come out more, that I find that slightly insulting (probably a bit strong but I cannot think of a better way of putting it).
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:12 pm

koontz1973 wrote:As for the style of the map, why so bleak and depressing? London is a great city full of life and colour.


London is a dirty city full of whores and cutthroats. There, now that that is out of the way...

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I added a sort of grainy effect to the city silhouette.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby Flapcake on Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:23 pm

natty_dread wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:As for the style of the map, why so bleak and depressing? London is a great city full of life and colour.


London is a dirty city full of whores and cutthroats. There, now that that is out of the way...



I would now have put my money on Copenhagen for the title.

for the slightly dirty theme would reeking highways make it virtually as impassable barriers, but again the slightly somber colors makes it seem like it is in the 1700 century and highways would then be misplaced :roll:
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:28 pm

natty_dread wrote:London is a dirty city full of whores and cutthroats.


WTF? London by no means a dirty city and is not full of whores and cutthroats, no idea on why you think it is and if that is your impression on the city, why the hell are you doing a map of it.

Sorry you feel that way about my home city.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:49 pm

Don't take it personally. Most cities are, once you look past the surface and bling they put up for the tourists.

For that matter, I've decided I won't take stylistic advice for a map from people who live anywhere near it. They all too often have much too close a relationship with their city/country/province and an idealized view of it. All too often they'd like me to make my map in to some kind of bloody tourist advertisement.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby Minister X on Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:16 pm

I think the overall problem cosmetically isn't London's greenness or its floating nature, but the lack of tonal contrast with the background. Try a much lighter background with more contrast in the skyline - closer to white and black than to dark-yellow-green and darker-yellow-green. The map itself is fine; the background detracts from it.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:29 pm

Minister X wrote:I think the overall problem cosmetically isn't London's greenness or its floating nature, but the lack of tonal contrast with the background. Try a much lighter background with more contrast in the skyline - closer to white and black than to dark-yellow-green and darker-yellow-green. The map itself is fine; the background detracts from it.


Tonal contrast is not the only type of contrast you can use. That is simplistic thinking.

However, I am increasing the contrast I have, maybe this will make it more apparent...

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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:22 am

natty_dread wrote:Don't take it personally.


Sorry natty, was just having a really shitty day, did not mean to take it out in your thread.

But my comment on why so dirty and grungy stands though. I mean that a fog like that has not been seen in London for a hundred years and the title is barely there. I can barely see your name, even with the glow. I can understand the style you are going for but it does seem a little over he top. Its as if you don't want people to see your name or even the title. The blue in the river is very bright compared to the rest so why not try to bring the red out in the flag and carry that over to the title.

Why not have the West in there as it is part of London which you have completely missed. Without it, you are geographically wrong. It would be easy to separate Hounslow, Ealing, Hammersmith, Kensington and Westminster. That gives you a 3 territ small continent in Hillingdon, Harrow and Brent. Put a motorway between Harrow and Barnet (M1) for an impassable. There are so many motorways, in London that you can use for impassables.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby ironsij0287 on Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:19 am

Going back to the other day, I do prefer the river being cropped at the border like it appears now.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:44 pm

koontz1973 wrote:The blue in the river is very bright compared to the rest


It's called contrast. The playable area is the main part of the map, therefore it has a higher saturation. All the rest are background elements, and thus secondary. Even the flag and title.

koontz1973 wrote:Why not have the West in there as it is part of London which you have completely missed. Without it, you are geographically wrong. It would be easy to separate Hounslow, Ealing, Hammersmith, Kensington and Westminster. That gives you a 3 territ small continent in Hillingdon, Harrow and Brent. Put a motorway between Harrow and Barnet (M1) for an impassable. There are so many motorways, in London that you can use for impassables.


This is a good idea. I'll run it by Bruceswar to see what he thinks.
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:29 am

I got to natty in PM. Go for it!
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Re: London [28.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:09 pm

Ok so here's the next iteration.

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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:12 pm

Ps. other gimp users might appreciate the feat I accomplished on this map:

I actually thought of a use for the "dissolve" -layer mode!
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:56 pm

Oops... I forgot to redo the inner glows. Also adjusted the colour of the new bonus a bit.

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So what is keeping the draft stamp for this one? Should be pretty straight forward...
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:59 pm

Waiting on the FA's. They need more training/practice.
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:06 pm

isaiah40 wrote:Waiting on the FA's. They need more training/practice.


How much practice does one need to move a topic from one forum to another? :-s
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:08 pm

natty_dread wrote:
isaiah40 wrote:Waiting on the FA's. They need more training/practice.


How much practice does one need to move a topic from one forum to another? :-s


I want to make sure they know when a map is ready to be moved before they do it.
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Re: London [30.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:09 pm

Ok then. Carry on carrying on...
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