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Re: 1982 Falklands War [9/10] Version 6.

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:46 pm

Version 6
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Not much in the way of graphics delt with this time. But some minor changes.

Game play changes.
All planes can shoot down the enemy's planes. This deals with the stalemate problem.
Submarines can not longer attack up to 3 territs away as this negates the ship to ship bombardments. But they are now unable to be attacked from the planes.

Discuss.
Bonus values. Currently there are 15 bonuses on the board. Too many or not enough. What about the values.
Navel forces.
The subs, can they attack further than one?
Can they be attacked by planes?
Bombardment ranges for ships, remove, make longer?
Should ships be able to bombard the coastal areas?
The two British Aircraft carriers. Make these LZ's. This would give the British 4, instead of the 2. But then they start as 3 neutral.
Airforce scale. I added another bonus into the neutrals. Does this give to much power to the airforce (this is consistent with how the airforce works nowadays).
Nuetral vaules for the LZ's and planes are 3/2. Is this to low or to high.
I was thinking of,
aircraft 1 & 2 (stay at 2)
aircraft 3 & 4 (go to a 3 neutral)
aircraft 5 & 6 (go to a 4 neutral)

Graphicaly, leave any changes you want to see made.
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [12/10] Version 6.

Postby ckyrias on Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:48 pm

ok a couple of quick notes.
the colours are too similar i think. also the annotation is a bit confusing but once the areas are more distinguishable then it won't matter really.
also a correction on legend. Hold aircraft 3 - bombard enemy naval forces
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [12/10] Version 6.

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:08 pm

ckyrias wrote:ok a couple of quick notes.
the colours are too similar i think. also the annotation is a bit confusing but once the areas are more distinguishable then it won't matter really.
also a correction on legend. Hold aircraft 3 - bombard enemy naval forces


I wanted to hit them in the stomach.
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [12/10] Version 6.

Postby elbitjusticiero on Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:25 pm

Well, I am a lurker too, but if you want comments, here they are: I like this map, and I think it would be very nice that this particular conflict was available for playing on the site. As an Argentinian, I know I would play it for fun, anyway.

About the Belgrano, well, it was an important element in the war, and it should be included along with subs, in my opinion. It could present some kind of strategic advantage when conquered, I think, so it would in some way parallel what happened in reality. But I haven't any specific suggestions about it.

Anyway, I just dropped to say that, yes, I would really like to have a Falklands/Malvinas map to play in CC.

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Re: 1982 Falklands War [12/10] Version 6.

Postby thehippo8 on Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:07 pm

elbitjusticiero wrote:Well, I am a lurker too, but if you want comments, here they are: I like this map, and I think it would be very nice that this particular conflict was available for playing on the site. As an Argentinian, I know I would play it for fun, anyway.

About the Belgrano, well, it was an important element in the war, and it should be included along with subs, in my opinion. It could present some kind of strategic advantage when conquered, I think, so it would in some way parallel what happened in reality. But I haven't any specific suggestions about it.

Anyway, I just dropped to say that, yes, I would really like to have a Falklands/Malvinas map to play in CC.

Cheers!


Yes, a truly sad loss which accounted for almost half the losses of life in the war itself.

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Re: 1982 Falklands War [12/10] Version 6.

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:51 pm

Falklands/Malvinas, am going to put the Malvinas onto of the 1982 but have been looking for what the Argentinian called the war. Expect me to PM you and will get the Belgrano in. Might give it a seperate bonus if held with the British sub. Will remove ARA Hercules for the Belgrano.

On its own, no bonus.
With Argentinian - fleet bonus
With British sub - minus 3

Will do the same for the British fleet.
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [12/10] Version 6.

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:04 am

Here is the latest one.

Things changed.
Neutral values for the aircraft.
Negative bonuses for the subs.
Landing zone bonus added.
Rules for subs finalised.
Changed land colours. [Which ones work for you, which do not]
Title finalised. Added the Argentine name for the war. Thanks to elbitjusticiero for that.
There are now 17 bonuses and 2 negative bonuses on the board.
Added the Belgrano
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Discuss
Colour changes.
Bonus values.
Any more bonuses needed? or taken away?
Would like for the ships to bombard the land territs. Too much or if can do, how far into the land to have it.
Neutral values.

If you want to be notified when a new draft comes along. Let me know and I will PM you.
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [16/10] Version 7.

Postby TaCktiX on Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:08 am

Spelling correction:
- NavAl instead of navEl (unless you want a fleet that is having its crewmembers stare at their belly-buttons all the time, or has an unnatural obsession with citrus fruit)

On another tangent, the mountains look EXTREMELY plain, the woods look a little bit too speckled, like someone spilled a cut-up chia pet on your map, and the overall land texture looks like you took a bas relief or generic bump and applied it to the entire land area. I realize they're all graphical complaints, but hey. ;)
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [16/10] Version 7.

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:15 am

TaCktiX wrote:Spelling correction:
- NavAl instead of navEl (unless you want a fleet that is having its crewmembers stare at their belly-buttons all the time, or has an unnatural obsession with citrus fruit)

On another tangent, the mountains look EXTREMELY plain, the woods look a little bit too speckled, like someone spilled a cut-up chia pet on your map, and the overall land texture looks like you took a bas relief or generic bump and applied it to the entire land area. I realize they're all graphical complaints, but hey. ;)

All points noted. Not to worried about the mountains yet as they are going to be like the trees from RD map. Always changing them, never satisfying everyone. What the hell is chia pet? and how did they get into my forests. The texture was less noticeable with the old colours, now they have been changed, it will need to be looked at. Spelling will correct next version. No comments on the gameplay section apart from spelling. :-s
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [16/10] Version 7.

Postby Gypsys Kiss on Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:30 pm

I like this and look forward to playing it....



Interesting fact....did you know that HMS Sheffield and ARA Hercules were sisters and were built along side each other.
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [16/10] Version 7.

Postby TaCktiX on Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:17 pm

The map is actually very clear, and clarity/consistency are my specialty. MarshalNey is the guy who breaks down your bonuses and makes you weep for mercy. ;)
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [16/10] Version 7.

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:35 pm

TaCktiX wrote:The map is actually very clear, and clarity/consistency are my specialty. MarshalNey is the guy who breaks down your bonuses and makes you weep for mercy. ;)

It's why Marshal and I are such good friends :mrgreen:

I'll have a look at this soon, too. Got a lot going on at the moment!

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Re: 1982 Falklands War [16/10] Version 7.

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:31 am

Gypsys Kiss wrote:I like this and look forward to playing it....



Interesting fact....did you know that HMS Sheffield and ARA Hercules were sisters and were built along side each other.

Never knew that, I will put the two sister ships next to each other. :)
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [16/10] Version 7.

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:33 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:
TaCktiX wrote:The map is actually very clear, and clarity/consistency are my specialty. MarshalNey is the guy who breaks down your bonuses and makes you weep for mercy. ;)

It's why Marshal and I are such good friends :mrgreen:

I'll have a look at this soon, too. Got a lot going on at the moment!

-Sully


If you think I will weep and beg for mercy, never, do your worst.

But I will tell my mummy that the mean boys are picking on me. :P
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [16/10] Version 7.

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:27 am

Version 8.
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Changed the spelling.
Moved the two sister ships together. Thanks Gypsys Kiss
Changed the mountain. Looks pretty good now.
Changed the trees. Again, I like the look now.
Legend work.

Ideas on texture for the land now as that is the next big thing to work on. Not getting the results I want so any ideas on how it should look?
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [16/10] Version 7.

Postby Flapcake on Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:57 am

koontz1973 wrote:Version 8.
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Changed the spelling.
Moved the two sister ships together. Thanks Gypsys Kiss
Changed the mountain. Looks pretty good now.
Changed the trees. Again, I like the look now.
Legend work.

Ideas on texture for the land now as that is the next big thing to work on. Not getting the results I want so any ideas on how it should look?


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Re: 1982 Falklands War [17/10] Version 8.

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:11 am

I tried the operational board when I developed Invasion UK (1948), but never managed to pull it off to my liking, hence why I never posted it. But the gameplay is all sorted so will get back to that as soon as I have finished this one. Right now, the texture is more like a topographical map, which is not what I want and does not fit into the image I have in my head. The colours look OK now but I need to find a texture that conveys the barren ruggedness of the islands.
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [17/10] Version 8.

Postby Flapcake on Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:05 am

I think you should do it as one sees countryside, seen from the air to make it more natural, the Falklands are a hills with grass, gravel, stones and small mountains (what i can see on pictures, have never been there ;) ) As you've made it now it looks very flat, even with the texture, if you bring the land up from the water it migth give something
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [17/10] Version 8.

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:52 am

I had that look at the beginning, but a few guys wanted the mosaic look so changed it. It is a very green land that is very cold and wet. Will play with it some more and hope to have something more concrete later in the week.
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [17/10] Version 8.

Postby thehippo8 on Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:09 pm

You know, I reckon the problem is with the lines. They look a little "drawn on". Whilst that may be what you wanted, I feel it may be sistracting you. Maybe play with smoothing the edges of the lines into the territory or something? I am still learning my graphics programme so please don't hit me if I am asking too much!!
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [17/10] Version 8.

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:44 pm

thehippo8 wrote:You know, I reckon the problem is with the lines. They look a little "drawn on". Whilst that may be what you wanted, I feel it may be sistracting you. Maybe play with smoothing the edges of the lines into the territory or something? I am still learning my graphics programme so please don't hit me if I am asking too much!!

The lines where drawn on and still are. It fitted the earlier version but not this one. Will get round to doing that. Finally found a look that I am happy with.
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [18/10] V9. P1/4

Postby Flapcake on Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:18 pm

That looks much better, I think the colors reflect realaty more, as the colors of the island are from grass and gravel/dirt.
Nice what you done with the structure of the land, hang on to that :mrgreen:
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [18/10] V9. P1/4

Postby DiM on Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:27 pm

the arrows are top notch. they're awesome :mrgreen:
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [18/10] V9. P1/4

Postby thehippo8 on Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:36 pm

Flapcake wrote:That looks much better, I think the colors reflect realaty more, as the colors of the island are from grass and gravel/dirt.
Nice what you done with the structure of the land, hang on to that :mrgreen:


Agreed ... looking good!
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Re: 1982 Falklands War [18/10] V9. P1/4

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:36 pm

DiM wrote:the arrows are top notch. they're awesome :mrgreen:

That is because they are yours silly. Surprised you did not recognise them. ;)

But they will be changed.
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