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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby dwilhelmi on Fri May 18, 2012 4:10 pm

chapcrap wrote:I would make zero gameplay changes...except to make the knight's bonus like KC1. You should get an increasing bonus for more castles and knights.

This. Agree 100%.
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby Genaraln7 on Sat May 19, 2012 5:00 pm

Kabanellas wrote:updating the 'to-do' list:

-Darken the hex borders a bit (Image files)
(do you really want me to do this? I don't think that this is really necessary and the map will look worst)


After playing for some time i think it isent that bad, i only think its a shame that on some parts of the map the hexes and signals from the houses just fade away compaird to the rest of the map... cant you give that a touch more inkt so you can see them beter but without ruining the looks of the map...

Kabanellas wrote:Considering:
-Remove the auto-deploy bonus on Ports ? (XML and Image files)
-Admiral is the only Counselor that can drop troops from the Court to a non-bombard region, which makes him especially powerful over the others - considering to add a negative effect (-1) for owning the admiral and a port, or maybe -1 for every 2 ports (XML and Image files)


What do you mean with " Admiral is the only Counselor that can drop troops from the Court to a non-bombard region"?

You could remove the bonus from the ports... but giving them a -1 bounes doesent make any sense. then you might as wel take his bounis away compleetly and just make him a one way assult route...

If you ask me you should give the admiral only the +1 for every two ports or he can only one way assult all ports.
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby Kabanellas on Sun May 20, 2012 6:32 am

Genaraln7 wrote:After playing for some time i think it isent that bad, i only think its a shame that on some parts of the map the hexes and signals from the houses just fade away compaird to the rest of the map... cant you give that a touch more inkt so you can see them beter but without ruining the looks of the map...


I know what you mean... I did tried a lot around it, but couldn't get to a solution where you could see the houses coat-of-arms and still see everything that's going on in the map behind them... I'll test it some more though

Genaraln7 wrote:What do you mean with " Admiral is the only Counselor that can drop troops from the Court to a non-bombard region"?

You could remove the bonus from the ports... but giving them a -1 bounes doesent make any sense. then you might as wel take his bounis away compleetly and just make him a one way assult route...

If you ask me you should give the admiral only the +1 for every two ports or he can only one way assult all ports.


The fact that you can transport troops between your castles through the Court is very important - That's why the King plays a vital part here, apart from having line of sight to all castles, obviously. With the Marshal you can also move troops but they will be stuck on Archer units making their use more limited. The Admiral on the other hand can actually move troops from one castle or noble for instance, to another Port on a different quadrant and that's very useful.

I want it to keep this ability, though.. because making it a bombard unit only, with such a limited range (11 ports only) and limited bonus capability would make it useless compared to the other counselors....
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby chapcrap on Sun May 20, 2012 5:59 pm

Perhaps +1 for every 2 ports is a good compromise.
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby Genaraln7 on Tue May 22, 2012 10:51 am

But on the other side does this map have to be so ballenced? i mean docks are all central even if someone takes them all he wil have the rest of the map against him or her...

I still have to check out the house of cardinals, but I kind of like the way the map is... 8-)
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby ConquerEverythin on Sat May 26, 2012 12:32 pm

In my game, I did not know that you could not reinforce out of a trebuchet. Now I about to lose over 40 troops just because I did not know that. It doesn't say anywhere on the map. Can you please change the map such that you can reinforce out of a trebuchet some-other people might have had the same problem as me.
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby Kabanellas on Mon May 28, 2012 5:45 am

You can read in the legend, concerning the Trebuchet:

-Reverts to 4 neutral

(which is the way we commonly refer to killer-neutral regions here on CC)
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby chapcrap on Mon May 28, 2012 5:21 pm

Kabanellas wrote:You can read in the legend, concerning the Trebuchet:

-Reverts to 4 neutral

(which is the way we commonly refer to killer-neutral regions here on CC)

What he describes isn't a killer neutral. He was describing a tert that can only bombard and not attack. Now, all of us who played KC1 would understand that you can't attack, but it doesn't say that in the legend. He's right, it should be there somewhere. Perhaps add: 'Trebuchets can only bombard'
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby dwilhelmi on Tue May 29, 2012 12:09 am

chapcrap wrote:
Kabanellas wrote:You can read in the legend, concerning the Trebuchet:

-Reverts to 4 neutral

(which is the way we commonly refer to killer-neutral regions here on CC)

What he describes isn't a killer neutral. He was describing a tert that can only bombard and not attack. Now, all of us who played KC1 would understand that you can't attack, but it doesn't say that in the legend. He's right, it should be there somewhere. Perhaps add: 'Trebuchets can only bombard'

Actually, it does say that already, in the upper right corner:
"Archers, Catapults and Trebuchets can only bombard unless stated otherwise."
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby chapcrap on Tue May 29, 2012 11:47 am

dwilhelmi wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Kabanellas wrote:You can read in the legend, concerning the Trebuchet:

-Reverts to 4 neutral

(which is the way we commonly refer to killer-neutral regions here on CC)

What he describes isn't a killer neutral. He was describing a tert that can only bombard and not attack. Now, all of us who played KC1 would understand that you can't attack, but it doesn't say that in the legend. He's right, it should be there somewhere. Perhaps add: 'Trebuchets can only bombard'

Actually, it does say that already, in the upper right corner:
"Archers, Catapults and Trebuchets can only bombard unless stated otherwise."

Oh, there it is!!

Nevermind then, it's on there.
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby dwilhelmi on Tue May 29, 2012 4:41 pm

chapcrap wrote:
dwilhelmi wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Kabanellas wrote:You can read in the legend, concerning the Trebuchet:

-Reverts to 4 neutral

(which is the way we commonly refer to killer-neutral regions here on CC)

What he describes isn't a killer neutral. He was describing a tert that can only bombard and not attack. Now, all of us who played KC1 would understand that you can't attack, but it doesn't say that in the legend. He's right, it should be there somewhere. Perhaps add: 'Trebuchets can only bombard'

Actually, it does say that already, in the upper right corner:
"Archers, Catapults and Trebuchets can only bombard unless stated otherwise."

Oh, there it is!!

Nevermind then, it's on there.

I wonder - does it just not stand out enough? Could it somehow be emphasized more?
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby chapcrap on Tue May 29, 2012 5:51 pm

dwilhelmi wrote:I wonder - does it just not stand out enough? Could it somehow be emphasized more?

I think it's fine. I just didn't read the whole legend when I went back to check if it was there the first time. I looked only in the trebuchet portion of legend. Maybe there could be something in the archer, catapult, and trebuchet section that says: 'See Notes'
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby mc05025 on Wed May 30, 2012 8:09 am

chapcrap wrote:I would make zero gameplay changes...except to make the knight's bonus like KC1. You should get an increasing bonus for more castles and knights.



Yes, I tottaly agree.

In addition if you want to let it as it is you should change the bonus rules of the map. At the moment it is clear that with every 2 knights and a castle you take +1 which does not happen

Lastly I think the King is extremely strong. People will just the king and stack there like crazy. The -5 per castle is not enough. For example look game 11126126. I had only 12 troops at the king and blue attacked me and put half his army there making his bonus bigger and having access to anyone
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby chapcrap on Wed May 30, 2012 5:26 pm

After playing more, I agree with mc. The King is quite strong once you have a sufficient number of terts. I would make it a little more costly.
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby mc05025 on Wed May 30, 2012 9:47 pm

Even if I have played only one game I do not like it at all that the knights +EVERY castle does not give a bonus. It makes the castles pretty useless. The +2 of the castle is very little in a map that a player can have 30 troops due at an 8 player game. In addition the penalty of having the counselors+castle or the King+castle making the castles not worthy
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby Genaraln7 on Thu May 31, 2012 9:17 am

dwilhelmi wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
dwilhelmi wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Kabanellas wrote:You can read in the legend, concerning the Trebuchet:

-Reverts to 4 neutral

(which is the way we commonly refer to killer-neutral regions here on CC)

What he describes isn't a killer neutral. He was describing a tert that can only bombard and not attack. Now, all of us who played KC1 would understand that you can't attack, but it doesn't say that in the legend. He's right, it should be there somewhere. Perhaps add: 'Trebuchets can only bombard'

Actually, it does say that already, in the upper right corner:
"Archers, Catapults and Trebuchets can only bombard unless stated otherwise."

Oh, there it is!!

Nevermind then, it's on there.

I wonder - does it just not stand out enough? Could it somehow be emphasized more?


No i dont agree you have more maps with alot of information and new players to the map must take there time to read it all before starting there first turn. If players are to lazy to do so they should not join such games its there own fault!
Maby CC could ad a tag to each map marking the dificalty of the map for new players to warn them...
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby Kabanellas on Thu May 31, 2012 9:37 am

mc05025 wrote:Even if I have played only one game I do not like it at all that the knights +EVERY castle does not give a bonus. It makes the castles pretty useless. The +2 of the castle is very little in a map that a player can have 30 troops due at an 8 player game. In addition the penalty of having the counselors+castle or the King+castle making the castles not worthy


The cumulative effect of Castle + 2 Knights happens in KC1, but it's something that I don't specially like.
On KC2 I didn't want to create exponential bonus like that one, especially one that involves castles (and knights, which are both part of the objectives). Also, bonus remain far more controlled this way without adding a feature that would necessarily override the negative effect of the King. Speaking of that, I do agree that the Negative effect of owning the King + Castles should be raised.

PS- There's no negative effect of owning Counselors+Castles.....
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby Vondue on Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:29 pm

Nice map!

The House of Ecthelion seems at a starting disadvantage. It has access to fewer resources+villages compared to the other houses. It would be ok if village V07 had a road, but there isn't so there's no road bonus. I would consider connecting V07 to a road -- it appears to be the only non-roaded village, which makes House of E seem doubly unfair. Well House of Ingwe also has V14 without any roads, but that house also has 2 mines so it's ahead of the game.
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby thehippo8 on Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:24 pm

Lol ... The House of Doriath has two Knights but the Knight on the right acts like an archer. Is it supposed to be an archer? That would make more sense to me!!
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby amundsentb on Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:56 am

Some of the hex names are bolder than others. Like C6 compared to N50. This may well be intentional but I just wanted to mention it.

I really like the way the map is. It looks amazing.
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby chapcrap on Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:17 pm

Ok, with the knights/castles issue: The bonus either needs changed or the description.

It says a castle is +1 with every 2 knights. It needs to actually be every two or be re-worded.
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby Kabanellas on Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:47 am

amundsentb wrote:Some of the hex names are bolder than others. Like C6 compared to N50. This may well be intentional but I just wanted to mention it.

I really like the way the map is. It looks amazing.


Thanks!! :)
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby Kabanellas on Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:48 am

chapcrap wrote:Ok, with the knights/castles issue: The bonus either needs changed or the description.

It says a castle is +1 with every 2 knights. It needs to actually be every two or be re-worded.


I could add a simple phrase like:

'not cumulative'
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby grunion on Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:31 am

This has quickly become my favorite map (I have been here since 2007.) Bravo! Can't wait for Kings Court III.

Playing the bottom right corner is tricky. Big gamble whether to go for early double catapults, as there's not a ton of income nearby.
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Re: King's Court 2 - BETA (Live now)

Postby chapcrap on Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:05 am

Kabanellas wrote:
chapcrap wrote:Ok, with the knights/castles issue: The bonus either needs changed or the description.

It says a castle is +1 with every 2 knights. It needs to actually be every two or be re-worded.


I could add a simple phrase like:

'not cumulative'

Well, I'm not even sure how it really works, so I'm not sure the best way to rephrase it, but the word 'every' needs taken out if the bonus structure isn't going to change.

Can you explain how the bonus works?
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