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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [4/12] V5 Page 1 & 3

Postby isaiah40 on Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:51 pm

At a close look, I thought "How does Andy have any game play value on the map?" Then it was like, oh the monkey is just for decoration! :lol:

Anyhow, I think that Pusat probably is a tad undervalued, considering that it is in the center of the map for all intensive purposes. Plus all but one territory borders another bonus. It could probably be increased to +7, maybe +8.

Where you have "Darker territories ..." Reword it to read " Like a true Classic City, Jakarta has many expats living there - darker territories - These ..." I think this makes it a little more clearer as to where the expats are. I'll get the other CA's to take a look at this, and maybe we can get this stamped soon!
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [4/12] V5 Page 1 & 3

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:24 pm

isaiah40 wrote:At a close look, I thought "How does Andy have any game play value on the map?" Then it was like, oh the monkey is just for decoration! :lol:

Anyhow, I think that Pusat probably is a tad undervalued, considering that it is in the center of the map for all intensive purposes. Plus all but one territory borders another bonus. It could probably be increased to +7, maybe +8.

Where you have "Darker territories ..." Reword it to read " Like a true Classic City, Jakarta has many expats living there - darker territories - These ..." I think this makes it a little more clearer as to where the expats are. I'll get the other CA's to take a look at this, and maybe we can get this stamped soon!

As isaiah said, Pusat would do much better as a +8. Also, I believe Timur should be upped to +5, as it's not much different from Selatan, which is of equal value.

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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [4/12] V5 Page 1 & 3

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:14 pm

I'm trying to hard to like this map, but just something about the mish-mash of styles and colors must be out of my taste, so I'm afraid I can't be of much help in the development.

Best of luck,


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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [4/12] V5 Page 1 & 3

Postby isaiah40 on Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:19 pm

Per map makers request, this map has been put on vacation.

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Re: [VACATION valid until June 2012] Jakarta [15/1] New styl

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:40 am

After all the comments about the style not having a focus, I got to play around a bit and remembering a painting my father has, tried to emulate that. If it does not work, then back it can go till I find more of a focus.
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Title needs to be worked over to bring it into line with the rest of the image but thought I would see if the community liked this approach. ;)
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] New style - Does it work?

Postby natty dread on Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:51 am

You're going to need a better texture than GIMP's default "apply canvas" filter.
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] New style - Does it work?

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:00 am

natty_dread wrote:You're going to need a better texture than GIMP's default "apply canvas" filter.

I know, this was just a quick mock up, to see if it all fitted and did it work. I am working on the canvas texture at the moment but still not right. It might be a better idea to go down the linen route as that is a finer thread.
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] New style - Does it work?

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:43 am

Here is the linen.
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] New style - Does it work?

Postby natty dread on Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:48 am

Hm... your texture is not showing well on the bright areas which leads me to believe you're using soft light mode for it?

I usually solve the issue by duplicating the texture layer and setting the other copy on grain merge, then adjusting the opacities of both layers until a good balance is found.
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] New style - Does it work?

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:49 am

natty_dread wrote:Hm... your texture is not showing well on the bright areas which leads me to believe you're using soft light mode for it?

I usually solve the issue by duplicating the texture layer and setting the other copy on grain merge, then adjusting the opacities of both layers until a good balance is found.


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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] New style - Does it work?

Postby natty dread on Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:50 am

Also, the background image doesn't look like something that's painted. You should look into getting some advanced filters if you want to pull of the kind of effect you're going for... G'MIC is something I can recommend for the task.

http://gmic.sourceforge.net/gimp.shtml
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] Bridges / Rivers placement

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:28 am

Last update for today on the graphics side.

Lets try and get GP sorted as it has changed completely. Out are all gimics and now just a normal classic GP so this should be nice and easy to get right.
Bridges - placement thoughts?
Rivers, these can be longer or shorter so ideas on them also.
Bonus numbers - lets leave these till the above it finalised.
Do I really need to put the bridges and rivers into a legend?
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] Pg1/4 Bridges/River placem

Postby cairnswk on Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:52 pm

I'm very impressed with this background...now this screams Jakarta...keep this going, well done!
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] Pg1/4 Bridges/River placem

Postby cairnswk on Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:54 pm

Why is this in the Recycling box!
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] Pg1/4 Bridges/River placem

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:50 am

cairnswk wrote:I'm very impressed with this background...now this screams Jakarta...keep this going, well done!
Why is this in the Recycling box!

Sent a PM to isaiah40 yesterday to let him know I am going to carry on with this. Give him time. I am sure it will get moved. Thanks again cairnswk.
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] Pg1/4 Bridges/River placem

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:44 am

I'm not isaiah but I think I can [Move] this back to the Main Foundry. :mrgreen:

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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] Pg1/4 Bridges/River placem

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:51 am

Thanks nobodies. Much appreciated.

Now lets look at the gameplay functions before numbers.
Rivers can be made shorter or longer.
Bridges can go in or out.
There are a lot of large bonuses and only a couple of small. Should a large one be split into 2?

As soon as these are settled, numbers for the bonuses can be determined.
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] Pg1/4 Bridges/River placem

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:47 pm

Speaking in terms of Jakarta's current make-up politically, culturally, or geographically, is there a line that could be drawn?

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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] Pg1/4 Bridges/River placem

Postby lostatlimbo on Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:10 am

I like the general direction of the the background, but I really don't think the filter you've used here works with this map. It doesn't look right.

Really like the title though.
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [15/1] Pg1/4 Bridges/River placem

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:28 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:Speaking in terms of Jakarta's current make-up politically, culturally, or geographically, is there a line that could be drawn?

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In what sense?
lostatlimbo wrote:I like the general direction of the the background, but I really don't think the filter you've used here works with this map. It doesn't look right.

Really like the title though.

Looks fine to me but can tweek it later.

No comments for the placement of things but thanks for looking in.
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [19/1] Pg1/4

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:46 am

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Extended the rivers to give a tad more cover to Pusat in the centre. Still only one that is safe.
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [19/1] Pg1/4

Postby Geger on Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:46 am

New look, and it looks better :)

I see 3 regions have the wrong name : Johar, Sawah and Cempaka. You had the correct names in old version. I asked me, where the mistakes come from. Then I notice that you merged 3 regions (Senen, Johar and Cempaka) to a single region. And the name of this single region shall be Senen : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cempaka_Putih and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johar_Baru. These 2 article say that Johar was part of Cempaka and Cempaka was part of Senen. And if you compare this new version with the old version, you'll agree to change Johar to Sawah and Sawah to Kemayoran.

And about river. It looks weird that rivers cut off like that. The main river (Ciliwung) continues to flow north and become the boundary between Senen and Menteng, between Sawah and Gambir, then it flows into the sea across Pademangan with many canals, here maybe you can draw it between Pademangan and Penjaringan. Too bad I have no idea about the other rivers, I think they are too small compare to streets and buildings in Jakarta, so I didn't notice them when I lived in Jakarta 6 years ago and it's also hard to see them in Jakarta map :oops:
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [19/1] Pg1/4

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:39 pm

Geger, thanks for popping in, am glad to get this one back into the foundry. I do know about the names, and as you said, I had them right in the first few versions. You are correct about the merging of territs, and I can only say that, with this new look, the map has become smaller so the names and 888's that need to fit inside the regions, mad me look at what can be merged and what name to give them.

Johar to Sawah -will do.
Sawah to Kemayoran - will not fit with the current look on this map and no way in the small. I know Senen is slightly to the south but will that be OK with you. Have to think of space with this one as well as the small.

As for the rivers, I looked at a map that had them and these fit the region borders. I know they flow for longer and some run into the sea. I did not want to have them like that with bridges everywhere, but as you have asked, will look at them again and finish them of. GP will trump real life but it might give me more options with the bonus regions as well.

Let me look at it and will post a new map soonish. Any more help you can give will be helpful as you are from this region of the world.

What would you thoughts be on adding 5 territs for the 5 levels from Pancasila. Would that offend anyone?
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [19/1] Pg1/4

Postby Geger on Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:02 pm

If you look at jakarta map on wiki (I think I put the kink before, but here it is : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... strict.png) Sawah shall be more narrow and Kemayoran breiter. So you can write Kemayoran in that region.

I have no idea how you will add Pancasila to territs. I think nothing wrong to use it. That is our Fondation and it is taken from the preamble constitution. But I don't know, some people consider Pancasila something sacred. And I'm from Sumatra btw, and have lower sense of nationalism than people from Java, lol
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Re: Classic Cities Jakarta [19/1] Pg1/4

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:09 pm

Will have a look at the names this week and try to fit them in. Will leave of Pancasila as some find it sacred. Do not want anyone to be offended. Just thought the images would look nice but will keep it simple and clean. Drawing the new rivers now and hope to have it done some time soon. Just want to get them right.
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