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Postby reverend_kyle on Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:51 pm

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I kind of liked the simplicity of the letters and the way they didn't clutter the map - I would really like to avoid having to write anything in the sand of the course, just for aesthetic reasons, so the inside-middle-outside directionality appeals to me, even though I'm a big enemy of East Whateverland in geographical maps. I also liked the way the letters would make it clear which territory followed which. Maybe if each letter were replaced by a word starting with that letter? Names of Roman emperors? D could be Domitian, C could be Caesar, etc.


thats better.
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Postby rocksolid on Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:02 am

And again...

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Once again, preferences on the charioteer graphics are helpful. Right now the dark horse in the lower left is last in the polls - the proverbial "dark horse", if you will.
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Postby reverend_kyle on Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:19 pm

rocksolid wrote:And again...

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Once again, preferences on the charioteer graphics are helpful. Right now the dark horse in the lower left is last in the polls - the proverbial "dark horse", if you will.
the letters could have stayed but in the drop down had roman kings is what i think would be best. Eitherway it loosk great. So we can attack diagonal forward at any time?
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Postby Hoff on Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:38 pm

i'm getting pumped to play this map.
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Postby Jota on Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:19 pm

The names are an improvement over the letters, but I still think that it'd be nicer with something that actually described that part of the track. They could probably fit right where the current names are now. Some thoughts:
  1. Starting Gate
  2. First Bend
  3. Opening Stretch
  4. Second Bend
  5. Middle Leg
  6. Long Leg
  7. Third Bend
  8. Home Stretch
  9. Final Bend
  10. Finish Line
But I suppose I could live with the names that exist, if necessary. As an aside, though, does it really make sense to include both Imperivs and Ivlian?

Oh, and I like the visual style of the map, especially now that it's spread out more. But I'm slightly concerned that the spectators look a little bit like a close-up of a carpet.
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Postby rocksolid on Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:30 pm

Jota - Do you say Ivlian because the J looks like an I, or because it should be an I and I'm cheating? It's supposed to say Jvlian.

I'm not too fond of the parts-of-the-track toponomy - I don't think it would make it any clearer which parts of the map are being referred to, as most people don't seem to know which is the back stretch and which is the home stretch, etc. But thanks for the suggestion.

Hmm...dismayed about the crowd...maybe it's the power of suggestion, but after your comment, when I think "carpet" and look at them, they do look like some kind of carpet, even though it's an actual crowd shot. Maybe I'll find something else.
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Postby rocksolid on Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:52 pm

A different crowd...

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I personally prefer the previous one.
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Postby wacicha on Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:59 pm

thats a nice berber
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Postby rocksolid on Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:16 pm

I like this crowd a little better.

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Postby Jota on Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:53 pm

rocksolid wrote:Do you say Ivlian because the J looks like an I, or because it should be an I and I'm cheating?


The latter: if the second letter is being written as a V rather than a U, then it seems that the first letter should be written as an I rather than a J, for consistency.

I'm not too fond of the parts-of-the-track toponomy - I don't think it would make it any clearer which parts of the map are being referred to, as most people don't seem to know which is the back stretch and which is the home stretch, etc.


I wasn't mentioning it so much for clarity (I don't think it would be any more or less clear than the emperors), but rather just because they seemed more fitting. But I'll be content to just not have A, B, C, D, etc.
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Postby rocksolid on Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:04 pm

Of covrse yov're right, Iota, bvt I was hoping no one wovld know...wovld make it very difficvlt to have an alphabetical name following I if I covldn't vse a 'J'.

I don't think there are any K names, so I'd have to jvmp to L.
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Postby howie on Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:08 pm

I really like this idea would love to play it :D
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Postby qeee1 on Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:57 pm

I like the first crowd. Well the first one posted on this page. I could have been perfectly happy with it, was its carpetyness not pointed out. Still I think it's the best of the three.

Like I said before not sure if the map will work, but I'll give it a shot anyway. Actually despite my pesimism I'm kinda looking forward to it.

Also I think your naming method is probably the best.
Frigidus wrote:but now that it's become relatively popular it's suffered the usual downturn in coolness.
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Postby reverend_kyle on Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:05 pm

the last crowd is the best. They all sort of look like carpet though.
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Postby Risk_06 on Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:07 pm

The first crowd's best. Other two look like snow. :shock:
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Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:25 pm

Well lets see...


---I'd have to say the first crowd is looking the best. But keep experimenting, with color, maybe even texture. Explore all viable options.

---Is there something you can do with the charioteer in the middle area? Perhaps making it look like it was not pasted into said area? Have you explored other grahpic options for that region?

---I'm rather torn on the naming system. I like both yours and Jota's idea. But I will say, for the turns, can you warp the text to fit around the curve, and keeo the feeling of that speeding around the track?


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Postby rocksolid on Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:23 am

Good eye on the names in the curves, Andy. I was being lazy and trying to cheat out of warping them.

Here's the fan-favourite first crowd with some anti-carpetesque tweaking.

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As for the charioteer in the middle - the legend, not the dude in the foreground who will probably disappear - this was my favourite part of the map! A beautiful image of what I assume is an old marble sculpture, beautifully photographed against a black and brown background that I lovingly extended...I know it's a bit surreal against the sweaty sandiness of the map, but I'd really like to keep it. I have explored other graphic options - there's a really famous piece of Greek pottery with a chariot image on it...

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...but I far prefer the sculpture. Maybe if I messed with the dark donut around it...I really don't want to fade it.
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Postby HighBorn on Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:25 am

it looks great... i really like the pottery picture.. i think it would look great...
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Postby rocksolid on Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:34 pm

Legend altered...

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Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:20 pm

Well lets see...

---Just to throw these out there for you to look at (if you hadn't already)../


---I like your experimentation with changing the visuals, keep looking into that, could be something quite unique. Also, have you considered maybe adding a charioteer's helmet for more deco (if needed)?

---Still something I don't like about the middle text, maybe too plain for me, but surely nothing too bad.

---And it feels like some of the outer ring text is faded in dust while others are dark as night.

Edit: ---And I know you've spent some time on the title, but have any other names crossed your mind? Perhaps like 'Hippodrome', to give it more of an authentic, ancient feel?

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Postby rocksolid on Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:13 pm

Update...

There was incongruity between the names around the ring. Rectified.

Changed the legend again so that the text is not just lying there. Also changed the look of the title. Both are now a polished Italian marble from near Naples...

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Those images you suggested, Andy - one was just another photograph of the one I'm using, while the other looks like a souvenir-store plastic knick-knack version of the same thing...

I'm not married to the title "Chariot races", but if it's changed, I would like it to be something along Roman lines. I think the name Hippodrome has Greek origins and not Latin, though I could be wrong. I think the best change would be to "Circus Maximus", the most famous chariot racing ground in Rome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circus_Maximus), but I want people choosing to start a game on the map to know that it's a different kind of game from a regular map, and maybe the present title is best for that.
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Postby spiesr on Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:17 pm

The legend is now rather hard to read...
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Postby DublinDoogey on Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:48 pm

As for the charioteer in the middle - the legend, not the dude in the foreground who will probably disappear - this was my favourite part of the map!


My favorite middle graphic so far is the one with that particular image. There's something about that specific one that makes it look more authentic than the ones that came after it.
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Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:56 pm

Well lets see...


---I think some experimentation with shadow and letter depth should be looked into to give the text in both areas (name and legend) to give the text readability. Perhaps have you considered engraving the letters? I must say I like the marble idea the best so far, once it's tweaked.'

---Hehe, and I was going to suggest perhaps the greek alphabet for the naming system, but now that I've realized I've been dealing with the wrong ancient culture, that wouldn't be such a valid suggestion. ;)

---I rather like the other possible title you mentioned. When I read it and hear it my mind flashes to all sorts of chariot races to the death--dust flying, wheels spinning off, blood splashed everywhere. With Chariot Races I think more of a day at the race track, or perhaps a game for kids.


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Postby reverend_kyle on Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:07 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Well lets see...


---I rather like the other possible title you mentioned. When I read it and hear it my mind flashes to all sorts of chariot races to the death--dust flying, wheels spinning off, blood splashed everywhere. With Chariot Races I think more of a day at the race track, or perhaps a game for kids.


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if he is talking about "circus maximus" i agree.


Also i think the center looks better than ever.
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