Magyarország [Quenched]

[koontz1973]

New images with ians story.

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[Oneyed]

this is the second constructive step from blue guy here. and the first one which realy brings functional solving. thanks ian

is it acceptable to everyone to keep the map with existing gameplay (or possibly with oneyed's rearrangement of árva and szepes), but simply change the story?

this will be wonder... (and maybe change name of Turoc to Trencsén).

if the map is dated before the treaty of trianon is signed, then hungarian names for the regions were the official names. i've drafted an example of how the story might read.

After the Great War of 1914-18, Europe lies in ruins. The Treaty of Trianon, which is being negotiated, will reduce the Kingdom of Hungary to 28% of its pre-war size. While foreign powers are still bickering over the spoils, stage an uprising and unite the country under your leadership.

ian.

nice. maybe better say: ...and save the Kingdom under your leadership?

just also name of map could be realy Magyar Kiralysag - this was official name of Hungary and also because from this view the gameplay is about to unite (better said - save the Kingdom).

and this is my very last post here.
koontz from the start I try to help you. from the start you ignore all my advices about Slovak area, but you follow all advices about Hungary area. a little doleful... especially because my advices realy help to have better map.

ones more thanks ian, you have my big apprecation.

Oneyed

[tkr4lf]

is it acceptable to everyone to keep the map with existing gameplay (or possibly with oneyed's rearrangement of árva and szepes), but simply change the story? if the map is dated before the treaty of trianon is signed, then hungarian names for the regions were the official names. i've drafted an example of how the story might read.

After the Great War of 1914-18, Europe lies in ruins. The Treaty of Trianon, which is being negotiated, will reduce the Kingdom of Hungary to 28% of its pre-war size. While foreign powers are still bickering over the spoils, stage an uprising and unite the country under your leadership.

ian.

In my opinion, that completely changes what the map is about. I personally like the story as is. But it's up to Koontz, so whatever he decides. Just know that you have support for your original idea as well as to change it.

[thenobodies80]

I've spent some time tonight reading the links you posted.
I think we can work together, and I'm happy to see that you're already doing it, to reword the text of the story. I think that it's the only thing, if I have to find one, that could create such type of political connection. I don't think that this map will be a shame for the site if quenched now. Persoanlly I think that the real shame is that such people is allowed to seat in a european parlament, where the main concept is to go beyond differences or nationalist concepts, but this is not the right place to discuss this, like I've always said.

maybe better say: ...and save the Kingdom under your leadership?

Are you sure? if I have to follow your thoughts and the contents I've read in the links, the above text you posted does the opposite imo, like that the current hungary is in ruin. I think that "save the kingdom" is exactly the political concept that that political group is using to find some followers.
Personally I find ian's version really good. Or instead use the old version koontz had on the map but without the last period. Personally I don't think it's necessary to say that you have to reunite the kingdom of hungary, this becuase there's no a real-explicit objective on the map...just people will fight to control that area. Yeah maybe the story can suffer a bit for this, but I don't think it will ruin the map.

P.S. I never called koontz fascist or supported of fascists, nor I will, don't label me with words that I have not said.

It wasn't my intention to point the finger against you, sorry if you think i did. Simply I tried to demonstrate that there are no "hidden" political messages on the map, like nolefan has also tried to explain. Real politic doesn't matter here. If someone will try to create an explicit political manifesto with a map I will bin and lock that map in a second. Then if the map has common points with that party ideas, i think it's just a case due the regions represented.

I'm a bit busy today, but i will review the list of names you posted here asap to see if some other of them can be changed accordingly your suggestions.

Nobodies

[koontz1973]

Over the story, I was happy with what it was (many people contributed to it including Oneyed and GoranZ) and would of liked to of kept it. ian posted his thoughts on it and I could not find a fault with it. Both are good but to keep the peace and to try and get this thread back to the map and away from the politics, but given a choice, I would use the previous version. Shame politics came into this, which had not come up in the thread till very recently. But I digress.

[Oneyed]

maybe better say: ...and save the Kingdom under your leadership?

Are you sure? if I have to follow your thoughts and the contents I've read in the links, the above text you posted does the opposite imo, like that the current hungary is in ruin. I think that "save the kingdom" is exactly the political concept that that political group is using to find some followers.
Personally I find ian's version really good. Or instead use the old version koontz had on the map but without the last period. Personally I don't think it's necessary to say that you have to reunite the kingdom of hungary, this becuase there's no a real-explicit objective on the map...just people will fight to control that area. Yeah maybe the story can suffer a bit for this, but I don't think it will ruin the map.

it seems that my very last post wasn´t last...

let me explain this, nobodies.
the political concept is not about renovation of Kingdom, but about renovation of Great Hungary, which means to annex "lost" lands to Hungary. so it is not about polity, but more about annexation of lands.
to the year 1946 was official name of Hungary - Kingdom of Hungary (Magyar Kiralyság) and I can not find any other name which would fit the theme and area...

I'm a bit busy today, but i will review the list of names you posted here asap to see if some other of them can be changed accordingly your suggestions.

Nobodies

if will be used ian´s version these names are baseless, because ian´s version (if I good understand) is set up to the time when Trianon become to validity. so then magyar names are fine.
if there will be used original version (and change of names will be advised) then also names of regions in Kingdom of Romania, Austria, Poland, Kingdom of Italy, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes need change to their language.

let´s work together (also you koontz) to make this map better and without any neo fascsit tone. I found ian and nobodies as peolpe who care... and me too...

Oneyed

[ManBungalow]

The Budapest icon on the small map might be too small to identify with troop numbers on top.

[koontz1973]

The Budapest icon on the small map might be too small to identify with troop numbers on top.

It is OK, first post has the map with numbers on. It is fine.

[iancanton]

maybe better say: ...and save the Kingdom under your leadership?

i think u're saying that hungary was not a country (nation-state) in the modern sense, but that it was really a multi-national kingdom. from this viewpoint, save the Kingdom does fit the theme.

ones more thanks ian, you have my big apprecation.

thanks, oneyed, i'm just glad that we can move forward and have a chance to complete a good map.

While foreign powers are still bickering over the spoils, stage an uprising and unite the country under your leadership.

In my opinion, that completely changes what the map is about. I personally like the story as is. But it's up to Koontz, so whatever he decides.

it does completely change the subject because an uprising at the time of the treaty is a fantasy that never happened. it doesn't stir up the passions as much as the original story, which is both a bad and good thing.

ian.

[AndyDufresne]

I'll leave the nation-state politics to those who have invested more time into learning the nuances of everything, but I'll just say that I am probably in agreement with one of thenobodies80 items:

personally I find ian's version really good. Or instead use the old version koontz had on the map but without the last period. Personally I don't think it's necessary to say that you have to reunite the kingdom of hungary, this becuase there's no a real-explicit objective on the map...just people will fight to control that area. Yeah maybe the story can suffer a bit for this, but I don't think it will ruin the map.

--Andy

[nolefan5311]

Here's the downloadable file. Sorry it took my so long to post this...forgot about it. Hopefully this will be enough to get the xml checked and the map into beta.

[thenobodies80]

- Varsad on the map Varasd in the xml
- Some names have no accents on letters but there are on the map. Veroce, zagrab, zolyom
- A name has accent but there isn't on the map, Szerem
- Szepes, move the name up on the small version

everything else looks good, just i wait to stamp this because you have to edit the xml.

Nobodies

[nolefan5311]

- Varsad on the map Varasd in the xml
- Some names have no accents on letters but there are on the map. Veroce, zagrab, zolyom
- A name has accent but there isn't on the map, Szerem
- Szepes, move the name up on the small version

everything else looks good, just i wait to stamp this because you have to edit the xml.

Nobodies

Will get them fixed tonight. Is this in all the instances in the XML, or just specific ones?

[nolefan5311]

- Varsad on the map Varasd in the xml

The small map shows Varsad and the large map shows Varasd. koontz, let me know which one it needs to be and you'll have to change the image.

- Some names have no accents on letters but there are on the map. Veroce

Fixed

zagrab

Fixed

zolyom

Fixed

- A name has accent but there isn't on the map, Szerem

The large map has an accent mark and the small one doesn't. Again, koontz, let me know which one it should be.

Szepes, move the name up on the small version

Is this directed at koontz as far as the image is concerned? Or do you mean the army numbers needs to be moved up?

I will post the completed once I hear from you and koontz.

[koontz1973]

As to the names, it is the large version that needs to be followed for the correct spelling. I will correct the spelling on the small today. Will moved Szepes also. Expect them later today.

EDIT: Had time before work.

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On a separate note, how about Jakarta?

[nolefan5311]

Ok, here is the corrected XML. Sorry for the delay.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/5/13/ ... Magyar.xml

[koontz1973]

No problem nole, a few maps before this one to get to be played on so no rush YET.

[thenobodies80]

The xml is ok!



2 minor things before to upload the files for the Beta stage:
1. Why you decided to have a different color for the non playable area on the Austrian-Italian side, when instead Kingdom of Romania and Kingdom of Serbs, Croatian and Slovenes are the same?
2. Could you please have a costant spacing between letters and words in the story (the one in which you used the native language) on the small version?

Nobodies

[koontz1973]

The xml is ok!



2 minor things before to upload the files for the Beta stage:
1. Why you decided to have a different color for the non playable area on the Austrian-Italian side, when instead Kingdom of Romania and Kingdom of Serbs, Croatian and Slovenes are the same?
2. Could you please have a costant spacing between letters and words in the story (the one in which you used the native language) on the small version?

Nobodies

1. All of the countries that border have a different colour. Would you like a single colour?
2. Will go and look at spacing now for you.

[thenobodies80]

Maybe they are different, but two of them look almost the same to me...anyway I'm not asking nothing about that, you can leave them as they are, I was just wondering why a totally different color. So, considering that also the other two are different, if it was my map I would have used another shade of the same color but not another totally different color...but it's just a personal preference.

[nolefan5311]

The xml is ok!



2 minor things before to upload the files for the Beta stage:
1. Why you decided to have a different color for the non playable area on the Austrian-Italian side, when instead Kingdom of Romania and Kingdom of Serbs, Croatian and Slovenes are the same?
2. Could you please have a costant spacing between letters and words in the story (the one in which you used the native language) on the small version?

Nobodies

Thanks tnb!

[koontz1973]

Large map and small have one colour for the non playable land. Small map text fixed.

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the reason the first post took ages to upload was because of visicheck CB tests. Had to delete them for it to work.

[thenobodies80]

I noticed too that vischeck isn't working anymore....don't know if it's a temporary thing or if they won't give a free online service anymore.
Anyway both PS and GIMP have their colorblind vision tests nowdays so it's not a so big issue. (apart the fact I wasted 10 mins today trying to add a dot to your first post )

[koontz1973]

Noticed that cairns got a silver dot, please may I have one oh blue god that looks over us with kindness and humility?

[thenobodies80]

I'm waiting an answer from the tech guys, the map will be available very soon.