CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [Quenched]

[macbone]

Pretty map, cairns!

[iancanton]

it is indeed one of the prettier maps!

the tsentralny bonus explanation in the legend is potentially confusing. if inner ring is +5 and tsentralny without inner ring is +8, then the total is +13. if tsentralny is +13, overriding the other two, then a player receives exactly nothing extra for holding both of the other two bonuses, so why put it in the legend at all? some players might interpret it as giving +13 in addition to the total of +5 and +8.

krasnosel'skaya ought to be krasnoselskiy. krasnosel'skaya is a metro station whose name refers to a street of that name, while krasnoselskiy is the name of the district on the map. my source is the moscow city government's website, which has a helpful map of administrative districts, modified so that -sky becomes -skiy to match this map's convention.

http://www.mos.ru/en/authority/structure/cao/

bogorodskoye ought to be bogorodskoe. this is because u have used the -oe ending instead of -oye in every other place where it occurs. i've been through all of the other names on the map and i've noticed no others that don't fit.

ian.

[cairnswk]

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the tsentralny bonus explanation in the legend is potentially confusing. if inner ring is +5 and tsentralny without inner ring is +8, then the total is +13. if tsentralny is +13, overriding the other two, then a player receives exactly nothing extra for holding both of the other two bonuses, so why put it in the legend at all? some players might interpret it as giving +13 in addition to the total of +5 and +8.

i don't see what harm it does to have it there, and there shoouldn't be any issues since the overrides are in the xml.

krasnosel'skaya ought to be krasnoselskiy. krasnosel'skaya is a metro station whose name refers to a street of that name, while krasnoselskiy is the name of the district on the map. my source is the moscow city government's website, which has a helpful map of administrative districts, modified so that -sky becomes -skiy to match this map's convention.

Changed.

http://www.mos.ru/en/authority/structure/cao/

Mmmm. seems most of those names are in the english version.

bogorodskoye ought to be bogorodskoe. this is because u have used the -oe ending instead of -oye in every other place where it occurs. i've been through all of the other names on the map and i've noticed no others that don't fit.
ian.

I'll stick with what i've got there since it aligns with what is on google. thanks.

Are you sure you've finished...

[cairnswk]

Version 30. updated.

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[Oneyed]

cairns, I checked ones more your names and here are possible edits:

Bogorodskoye - Bogorodskoe (ian is right)
Maryina Roshcha - Maryna Roshcha

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[cairnswk]

cairns, I checked ones more your names and here are possible edits:

Bogorodskoye - Bogorodskoe (ian is right)
Maryina Roshcha - Maryna Roshcha

Oneyed

Thanks oneyed. but i'll stick with what i find on google..if you ask me, there are many docs out there that give different spellings and version, so i doubt if any of them know what they're on about, let alone mysefl, ian or others.

[Industrial Helix]

First time looking at this map and I have to say it looks really great, I appreciate the unique gameplay as well.

[cairnswk]

First time looking at this map and I have to say it looks really great, I appreciate the unique gameplay as well.

Thanks IH.

[Oneyed]

Thanks oneyed. but i'll stick with what i find on google..if you ask me, there are many docs out there that give different spellings and version, so i doubt if any of them know what they're on about, let alone mysefl, ian or others.

hm, is Sydney still Sydney? could it be written Sidny because Slavs pronounced it so? I learned 10 years Russian and I seek for these names in Russian pages. Russian never say Bogorodskoie (Bogorodskoye), just Bogorodskoe.

about Maryina Roshcha. I will try to explain this more: there is used ь after r what is soft mark. the r is pronounced soft (in combination with i).
so my bad also. it would be Marina Roshcha, maybe also yours Maryina Roshcha - but here must be y pronounced as in day - soft. but it is not exactly what in Russia combination of r with ь and i. maybe Marjina is the closest for Slavs (who are not use cyrilic)...

so I could be fine with Maryina Roshcha, but Bogorodskoe, not Bogorodskoye.

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[cairnswk]

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so I could be fine with Maryina Roshcha, but Bogorodskoe, not Bogorodskoye.

Oneyed

Oneyed...i don't want to get into this discussion again with otherwise i wil become very mad abo-ut language semantics.
I appreciate you have learned Russian for 10 years, but i am taking that as it is from Google.
End of story. If many other players come in and say it should be otherwise, then i will change it...got the message.

[Oneyed]

Oneyed...i don't want to get into this discussion again with otherwise i wil become very mad abo-ut language semantics.
I appreciate you have learned Russian for 10 years, but i am taking that as it is from Google.

this is how it looks in cyrilic: Богородское - could you find there any i or y?... Russian is "soft" language. the Bogorodskoe is pronounced a litle as Bogorodskoie, but this is mistake to write it so. as I wrote Sydney as example is still Sydney, not Sidny because it is pronouced so...

End of story. If many other players come in and say it should be otherwise, then i will change it...got the message.

...and how much people know Russian?
iancanton was the first who mentioned this (and I found iancanton as person who knows about what he speaking)...

your map, your decision, your mistakes end of this.

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[cairnswk]

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your map, your decision, your mistakes end of this.
Oneyed

Thank-you, yes my mistakes if i make them, and i accept repsonsibility for this one - my decision.

[Dako]

I know Russian ^^.

The correct spelling is Bogorodskoye and Maryina Roshcha. The first one cannot be changed, the last one can be translated into Marina's Grove but we usually don't.

Russian is indeed a soft language but unless you speak it and know the caveats there is no way you can pronounce Roshcha correctly. But for foreigners you should spell it like that so they can at least imitate the sound.

[Oneyed]

I know Russian ^^.

The correct spelling is Bogorodskoye and Maryina Roshcha. The first one cannot be changed, the last one can be translated into Marina's Grove but we usually don't.

and what is then this Богородское?
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0% ... 2%D1%8B%29
http://www.uprava-bogorodskoe.ru/
http://wikimapia.org/2280487/ru/%D0%91% ... 0%BE%D0%B5

Russian is indeed a soft language but unless you speak it and know the caveats there is no way you can pronounce Roshcha correctly. But for foreigners you should spell it like that so they can at least imitate the sound.

there is no question about Roshcha. there is question about Bogorodskoe...

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[koontz1973]

and what is then this Богородское?


Oneyed

According to google translate it is this. Bogorodskoe But when I put in cairns spelling I get this.

Both may be correct, one may even be more correct, but cairns has done his homework, got one of the correct spellings and this is a non issue.

Considering Dako is Russian, and he has no problem with it, go with your one cairns.

[Oneyed]

and what is then this Богородское?


Oneyed

According to google translate it is this. Bogorodskoe But when I put in cairns spelling I get this.

Both may be correct, one may even be more correct, but cairns has done his homework, got one of the correct spellings and this is a non issue.

Considering Dako is Russian, and he has no problem with it, go with your one cairns.

...it was closed several post ago, koontz.

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[koontz1973]

and what is then this Богородское?


Oneyed

According to google translate it is this. Bogorodskoe But when I put in cairns spelling I get this.

Both may be correct, one may even be more correct, but cairns has done his homework, got one of the correct spellings and this is a non issue.

Considering Dako is Russian, and he has no problem with it, go with your one cairns.

...it was closed several post ago, koontz.

Oneyed

If it was closed, then why do you continue to harp on about it.

there is no question about Roshcha. there is question about Bogorodskoe...

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[Dako]

there is no question about Roshcha. there is question about Bogorodskoe...

Oneyed

BGN/PCGN romanization system for Russian is a method for romanization of Cyrillic Russian texts, that is, their transliteration into the Latin alphabet as used in the English language. It is used by the Oxford University Press, among others, which refers to it as the British Standard.
Please read this article — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGN/PCGN_r ... of_Russian.
BGN/PCGN should be used when we are talking about geographical names.


There are many systems that romanize Russian words. For comparison table please read this article. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1% ... 0.B8.D0.B8

[Oneyed]

...it was closed several post ago, koontz.

If it was closed, then why do you continue to harp on about it.

I just answered to Dako (and I had also interest how it is from Russian view). it is again you who see "harp" where is only discusion or will to help...

BGN/PCGN romanization system for Russian is a method for romanization of Cyrillic Russian texts, that is, their transliteration into the Latin alphabet as used in the English language. It is used by the Oxford University Press, among others, which refers to it as the British Standard.
Please read this article — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGN/PCGN_r ... of_Russian.
BGN/PCGN should be used when we are talking about geographical names.


There are many systems that romanize Russian words. For comparison table please read this article. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1% ... 0.B8.D0.B8

hm, the BGN/PCGN system looks as the oldest one (which is in somewhere not clear - Й and also Ы are there represent as Y while some new systems made difference between them. what is correct). these another (and new) systems used e as e.

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[cairnswk]

Version 30. updated...bumped

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http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/12/21 ... Moscow.xml

[cairnswk]

....an offering to see if this suit everyone better for the bonus region notations.

[nolefan5311]

I like it cairns...any changes need to be made to the xml?

[cairnswk]

I like it cairns...any changes need to be made to the xml?

no changes required unless something comes from this....

Nolefan...we're giving +1 for a pair of Tsentralnyy regions....10 region pairs.
the overall lot is worth +13...so should the overall lot of +13 override the bonuses that will come from owning all the pairs.

outer regions total bonus = 20 (7 regions - 3+3+3+3+4+2+2)
Tsentralnyy +13 and pairs (10 x 1) +10 = 23.

[nolefan5311]

That's a good question...perhaps the +13 should just be removed? It's not likely a person is ever going to hold that bonus until the endgame anyway, and person could still hold say, the inner ring and a couple of suburb pairs, and the outer ring and a couple of suburb pairs for a decent bonus.

Or, to makes things easier, having the +13 override everything is the simplest.

[cairnswk]

That's a good question...perhaps the +13 should just be removed? It's not likely a person is ever going to hold that bonus until the endgame anyway, and person could still hold say, the inner ring and a couple of suburb pairs, and the outer ring and a couple of suburb pairs for a decent bonus.

Or, to makes things easier, having the +13 override everything is the simplest.

OK, let's do that....have the +13 override the +5 and +8, and the +10 pairs.

Noles, my system is down due to power failure on main computer where all my files are and needs rebuilding.
Gonna be several days, so just let my maps fall into bin if i don't get back to them soon.
thanks.