Conquer Club

koontz1973 wrote:Hex grid - did not try very hard as I did not want it but it did not work.

I won't bring it up again, other than to say I think you add some unnecessary complexity / confusion to a map with the current set-up.

Best of luck,


--Andy

AndyDufresne wrote:

koontz1973 wrote:Hex grid - did not try very hard as I did not want it but it did not work.

I won't bring it up again, other than to say I think you add some unnecessary complexity / confusion to a map with the current set-up.

Best of luck,


--Andy

Andy, never got a problem trying things out, if it makes a better map, then so be it. But let me explain why the current set up. When I first tried this idea out on paper, I tried hexes and normal territs. But when I looked into the idea for a maze style map, one of the things that came to me was that mazes tend to be in straight lines or curves.


I tried the circular maze with Angels and Demons (intend to go back to that some point). This had a normal territ design with circular walls but with the same maze feel as this one. But the style of map I chose was not good so dropped the idea. With Knights going into Beta, it became obvious that having square territs was OK and could be used for some maps. So I went back to it and had another look at this set up. Been playing around with hexes for a World War 2 Pacific map so gave that a go. But it did not mesh with the straight lines of the map. How can you get a straight wall to fit into territs that curve going down. Again, I came back to squares. Unlike Kings Court which is a great map and would love to one day make a map half as good as Kabs, the starting territs are all at the sides of the map. Why, well you can only get into a maze from the edges. This again caused problems with the hex grid as it became plainly obvious that to balance as much as possible the 8 starting territs was going to be nigh on imposable (for me) for a 1v1 game and also the 8 player game.

So with the squares chosen, it gave me a lot of advantages.

-Allows me to make the map with a lot of territs and not go over the max for the small map size. As this is now the rule, why start something only to have it stopped later.
-Allow me to make the squares smaller as each one does not need to fit a name into it. This means that some of the confusion is removed.
-Gives me the opportunity to balance the map, as nole found when he looked at it, from each starting position, the difference is only one neutral.

These reasons and also, I like the way it looks gives me a better opportunity to create something that is not only unique to the site. Believe me when I say that between this update and the last, I did go back and try to find a way to accommodate you with the hexes.

I am not saying there aren't good reasons for squares! I just think your map would be better overall with the other look. But I'm zipping my lips now.


--Andy

hexes can create perfectly straight lines just like in the second image of the hedge labyrinth (not labArinth)

AndyDufresne wrote:I am not saying there aren't good reasons for squares! I just think your map would be better overall with the other look. But I'm zipping my lips now.


--Andy

Never zip the lips Andy, not only will it hurt, but I want your comments. Will go and have another look at it for you.

[quote"DiM"]hexes can create perfectly straight lines just like in the second image of the hedge labyrinth (not labArinth)[/quote]
You are right, going at the angle.

I agree with the difficulty reading the letters and numbers for the grids.

I think lightening the starting terts was good, but some are still difficult. Maybe they should not have the black lines on the terts. I think that's the problem.

Still not convinced that this is a better way to go and this is only a preliminary mock up.

Not a fan of that at all. I like the grid system.

nolefan5311 wrote:Not a fan of that at all. I like the grid system.

What he said!!

What if, what if you did pentagons? Haha, it would be cool, but it probably wouldn't work!

Anywho, I mainly stopped in here because *labyrinth* is spelled wrong!

-Sully

Only in the title, not on the map itself.

koontz1973 wrote:Still not convinced that this is a better way to go and this is only a preliminary mock up.

Hm, I think misspoke earlier. Instead of hexagons, could you use 'squares' with rounded corners? That is more of what I meant, I just didn't explain it very well.

Essentially, if you eliminate the corner aspect, you don't need to explain the movement, and you can do all the straight lines you want, and it doesn't look as cluttered as hexagons can look.




--Andy

AndyDufresne wrote:

koontz1973 wrote:Still not convinced that this is a better way to go and this is only a preliminary mock up.

Hm, I think misspoke earlier. Instead of hexagons, could you use 'squares' with rounded corners? That is more of what I meant, I just didn't explain it very well.

Essentially, if you eliminate the corner aspect, you don't need to explain the movement, and you can do all the straight lines you want, and it doesn't look as cluttered as hexagons can look.




--Andy

Now that I can do quite happily. Now that Andy is on board, I will go ahead with this one as squares. Expect a proper update soonish.

Of course the area doesn't have to be black, it can be green, or whatever. If you give the regions a defined shape like that, it might just function and look better.

My apologies for being unclear earlier.


--Andy

Andy, not a problem at all. It could of turned out a better map this way, and the only way to know is to try. Will use a stone like on G3 but smaller. That way, it will keep the look and feel and will not need to add anything to the impassable part of the legend.

Stones at corners.

Does that work?

Oh my... This is looking lovely. I like the look of your stones, koontz.

Thanks chapcrap.

OK, I am now pretty sure this is the final version game play wise. Can I ask the blue boys for game play to give me any changes they want to see in the way of neutrals and bonuses please.

Added Prometheus fire traps out side of each starting territ. These are killer neutrals to make the game a tad more fun.
Minor changes to the map.
Spelling mistakes fixed.
Just need the get go from the game play boys.

The traps are kind of pointless around the edges, they would need to be beside 1 territ, not 2 to be effective.

DoomYoshi wrote:The traps are kind of pointless around the edges, they would need to be beside 1 territ, not 2 to be effective.

Here I will have to disagree with you. You are right that they may never get used, but the purpose of them is to give players a choice. Do I go over the more neutrals of the dead warriors or take a quicker path and lose a man only to get him back with the easier bonus of the Minotaur. With the reinforcements set at 1 for 4, you are only going to get three for the first couple of goes. So do you really want to try your luck going 3 against 2 neutrals for two turns?

But if you take the trap, you are getting only 2 to go against anything. If you go for the Minotaur, and take the trap, you are only back at 3 reinfiorcements per turn. So why not just build the dead warrior up?

EDIT: playing nuclear, I would take a trap.

Because if you take the trap, you have 3 territs and as soon as the Pegasaus is taken, you are back to your 3 reinforcements (if you have taken the swords and food).

koontz1973 wrote:Because if you take the trap, you have 3 territs and as soon as the Pegasaus is taken, you are back to your 3 reinforcements (if you have taken the swords and food).

I'm sorry, I don't understand. It says 1 reinforcement for 4 territs. Does that mean it starts at 3 and when you get 4 territs, you are at 5?

The sword is a bonus of 0 until you have 5. The food is a bonus of 0 until you have 3. There is no bonus listed for the Pegasus so I really am not following here.

Sorry, the normal reinforcements you get in games for holding territories.
So you start at 3, get the +2 auto deploy and attack. When you hold four territs, you get +1. This is the same as in all games but instead of the normal 1 for 3 territs, it is 1 for 4 territ. So every 4 you get, your normal reinforcements goes up by 1. But now as you mentioned it, I need to change it to 1 for every 5 territs to counter the slaves entrance.