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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby Siy on Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:12 am

The aircraft bonus was what made this game. I also thought it was to highlight how aircraft where the decisive weapon at pearl harbor. I also will be disappointed to see this map change. Why can't both maps run and let the users choose which they'd rather play.
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby Mustapha Mond on Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:41 pm

aspalm wrote:extremely disappointed. i reiterate my earlier statement that this is one of the best, if not THE best trips/quads maps available. i agree that the drops can be unfair in a singles game, but why does every board have to cater to singles games? for those who complain here's a suggestion: don't play Pearl Harbor in a singles game.

instead we have to go and ruin a perfectly good board. i agree with those who say the strategy just devolved into take and hold the AA's, because this immediately makes any plane bonuses impossible. ridiculous.

Completely agreed. Why the hell not just make a Pearl 2 map? Some of us love it just like it is, "warts and all".
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby MrBenn on Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:32 pm

lackattack isn't keen on the idea of having two essentially identical maps up in play. I agree that multiple options of the same map would be nice, but I imagine it would make things a bit too complicated overall?

The real reason for the change, is that enough people have criticised the imbalance of the drop, and the mapmaker wants to make the amendment(s). ;-)
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby Redfelt on Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:30 pm

aspalm wrote:extremely disappointed. i reiterate my earlier statement that this is one of the best, if not THE best trips/quads maps available. i agree that the drops can be unfair in a singles game, but why does every board have to cater to singles games? for those who complain here's a suggestion: don't play Pearl Harbor in a singles game.

instead we have to go and ruin a perfectly good board. i agree with those who say the strategy just devolved into take and hold the AA's, because this immediately makes any plane bonuses impossible. ridiculous.


i fully agree, such a travesty, all for some suckhole crybabies
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby rjwall41 on Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:34 pm

Why is the map closed?
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:12 am

rjwall41 wrote:Why is the map closed?

It will be re-launched with slightly different plane bonus on 7 Dec. so that the plane bonus avoids a large advantage on the drop.
This has been requested by many players, but i can say that if is not successful, i am willing to change it back to the original after an appropriate amount of played games.
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby Mr_Adams on Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:27 pm

I was actualy going to go join one of these games... and the thing said "closed" on game finder! :lol: so, tommorow it comes back? cool.
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:10 am

4 games still in play when it changed over, and only one of those was a tournie.
Nice going, thanks to MrBenn,
We'll see what all the little elves have to say about this change.
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby Aalmeida17 on Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:23 pm

i hate this map , to many start bonus
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby captainwalrus on Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:40 pm

shidarin wrote:
captainwalrus wrote:
Thezzaruz wrote:
captainwalrus wrote:I once saw someone start off the game by getting 12 troops a turn while I was only getting 3. That is hardly balanced. It needed to be changed.


Making a 2 or 3 player game on a large map that has many continent bonuses in play is the real problem there, not the map itself.

It was a 4 player game, the one person just beat all of us. Maps should try to be as balanced as possible for all settings though, not just 8 player games.


I wanted to see this game, so I took a look at your game records,

According to the list, you've only played 2 Pearl Harbor games, one a doubles with 6 people, January of 2008, and one with 6 people in Nov 2007.

What's up with that?

This map is fantastic as is- please do a poll before the change- I think you'll see the haters are in the minority.

I got some of the details messed up, but in game Game 1195760 one person started deploying 8, one deploying 12, and a few deploying 4. That was unbalanced. Now it is not umbalanced
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby nudge on Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:15 am

I always liked this map as it was... it reflected the power the japanese had from the sky and the key to winning was holding and taking the planes.

I think that should be the intention of the maps that are based on history.. the advantages during game play should be as per the historic event. Now the player that holds the AAs will have the advantages... not quite how it really happened.

Oh well thats my two pennies worth on this...

Will still play it to see if noticeably different
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby jman10012 on Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:33 pm

Yeah. I actually live in Ewa Beach. Ask me a question about Pearl Harbor and i can answer it. Except for names. No naming ships and things. BUt i cant believe it just passed December 7th and i didnt even realise it. And i agree with the post above. There should be a little more airpower for the Japanese aircraft. And about 8 American aircraft did get off the ground, now thats not a lot but it might be worth something to add there since its still in Beta.
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:07 pm

jman10012 wrote:Yeah. I actually live in Ewa Beach. Ask me a question about Pearl Harbor and i can answer it. Except for names. No naming ships and things. BUt i cant believe it just passed December 7th and i didnt even realise it. And i agree with the post above. There should be a little more airpower for the Japanese aircraft. And about 8 American aircraft did get off the ground, now thats not a lot but it might be worth something to add there since its still in Beta.

jman10012... thanks for your comments, but this is the second time in BETA for this map, and it's only there while the new bonus for aircraft is played out for a while.
The American aircraft were largely ineffective in this battle, i had considered it is the initial devlopment two years ago, but it wasn't worthwhile. Besides, where you you put them on this map, it is crowded enough already.
The japanese aircraft did have more airpower in the previous version but too mamny players complained of an unfair drop in 1v1 and other smaller games.
So for now the map will likely remain as is. :)
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby legionbuck on Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:55 pm

3 planes should be 2 bonus troops !!!!!
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Re: WWII Pearl Harbor - [Quenched]

Postby 4red on Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:15 pm

yep. new map sucks
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