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Postby anamainiacks on Sun May 27, 2007 5:40 am

And that's why we shouldn't change the gameplay. Keep it as it is.

But for the territory names, I always tend to take 'Inside Lane' as the lane inside the other two, so can it be changed? I can't think of any other replacement word though...
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Postby WidowMakers on Tue May 29, 2007 4:56 pm

OK here is another update.
*I added some different colors to the crowd
*Made the center of the track closer to the pictures I have found on the net.
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Postby dominationnation on Tue May 29, 2007 4:58 pm

nice job. it looks much better already..although the game play still sucks :p
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Postby gimil on Tue May 29, 2007 5:03 pm

teh blue flag at the bottom still doesnt look like its flying in the wind
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Postby Coleman on Tue May 29, 2007 5:53 pm

gimil wrote:teh blue flag at the bottom still doesnt look like its flying in the wind

If gimil hadn't said anything I'd have never noticed, but now it is almost painful. :cry:
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Postby AndyDufresne on Tue May 29, 2007 6:10 pm

Hm, I'm liking the look of the map. It brings me back to the days when Rocksolid was trying to hash out this idea in the Foundry.

Hm, would you consider moving the Diocletian name slightly, so the coordinates aren't so close to it?

Also maybe move the coordinates slightly for Flavius, as they are much closer to the arrow point than in the other 'countries' on the map.

I still see a lot of red in the crowd. :) But as I usually create most of the games I play, I guess I'd be fine with the extra crowd support. ;)


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Postby DiM on Wed May 30, 2007 1:09 am

again nobody seems to be responding to my suggestions so i have to quote again:

DiM wrote:since my post seems to be ignored i'll quote it again:

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WidowMakers wrote:
DiM wrote:if you look at the bottom image put by molacole you'll see the gates are symmetrical. on top of the gate you have 2 lateral towers and a center one. the center one is really in the center at equal distance from the lateral ones. in your map the center tower is a bit towards the left tower. and this looks strange.
There are many different pictures or renderings of it on the web. I used a different one.

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I used different aspects of several images and my own touch. Plus the actual Length to Width of the circus and the map is no where near the same. I have had to make adjustments.


well, in the picture you used the gates are symmetrical while in your map there is clear difference. this kind of asymmetry would have never been accepted in roman architecture. that's why it bugs me.

here's an image to make things clearer:

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notice on the photo how the middle tower is right in the middle and the number of arches is the same on each side?

now look at your map. not only the middle tower is not centered but the arches are wrong. you have 4 small arches on the right side and 2 larger ones on the left.

*i like that you added the emperor's stand but you should also add the entrance in the lower part. near caligula.


*also on the chariots bit. making them bigger would greatly enhance the feel. at the moment they look like fleas. make them bigger and you'll have a nice effect. don't exaggerate with how big you make them though.

*the shapes in the middle. the chariots are nice but the rest don't quite fit. where are the dolphins? and what about the symmetry? the have no order, those are just random cubes and cones.


PS: one thing i just noticed. the flags on the emperor's side are waving in the wind while the ones in the bottom part are simple triangles. make those wavy too.
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Postby WidowMakers on Wed May 30, 2007 5:14 am

Sorry DiM. I did not mean to ignore you I just missed it. I will see what I can do.
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Postby DiM on Wed May 30, 2007 5:56 am

WidowMakers wrote:Sorry DiM. I did not mean to ignore you I just missed it. I will see what I can do.


k thanks. :D
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Postby MR. Nate on Wed May 30, 2007 7:51 am

Well, I'm still not sure if I like the gameplay of the Circus, but I'll definitely give it another shop once this is finished.

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Postby t.e.c on Wed May 30, 2007 7:55 am

anamainiacks wrote:But for the territory names, I always tend to take 'Inside Lane' as the lane inside the other two, so can it be changed? I can't think of any other replacement word though...

but inside lane IS the lane inside the other two..
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Postby WidowMakers on Wed May 30, 2007 5:46 pm

Here are the changes.

*changed the north entrance arches to be the same size.
*crowd is more colored (not just red)
*Fixed the Diocletian name and moved the coordinates slightly for Flavius

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Postby Keredrex on Wed May 30, 2007 7:55 pm

Awesome... I think its just about perfect...
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Postby tenio on Wed May 30, 2007 9:59 pm

looks good!
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Postby fisherman5 on Wed May 30, 2007 11:06 pm

i'm seeing blotches of colors in the crowd its kinda annoying but live able i guess
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Postby DiM on Thu May 31, 2007 4:07 am

WidowMakers wrote:Here are the changes.

*changed the north entrance arches to be the same size.
*crowd is more colored (not just red)
*Fixed the Diocletian name and moved the coordinates slightly for Flavius



you still need to move the tower to the right. mahe it on top of the central arch.

also you need the caligula gate


one more thing in the emperor's stand there seems to be a large crowd. normally there are only a few people there.
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Postby gimil on Thu May 31, 2007 4:10 am

fisherman5 wrote:i'm seeing blotches of colors in the crowd its kinda annoying but live able i guess


There suppose to represent supports colors i think
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Postby WidowMakers on Thu May 31, 2007 4:54 am

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fisherman5 wrote:i'm seeing blotches of colors in the crowd its kinda annoying but live able i guess


There suppose to represent supports colors i think
Yes. They represent the different player colors. Initially there was too much red. I got the crowd from a picture of a stadium. People on the forum did not like the idea of the crowd being that red. I have added the different colors to represent teh different players in the game.

DiM wrote:you still need to move the tower to the right. mahe it on top of the central arch.

also you need the caligula gate


one more thing in the emperor's stand there seems to be a large crowd. normally there are only a few people there.
Ok Dim. 1) I will see what I can do about moving the tower over the arch. 2) I am not going to have a caligula gate. There is not a lot of that portion showing and I really don't think it is necessary. 3) The emperors stand is ok IMHO. Some pictures show it really big. Remember I basically took the original circus maximus and cut out 75% of the length. Things are pretty close. If you still feel that it is a problem we can have a poll after my next update when I move the north west tower over the arch.
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Postby DiM on Thu May 31, 2007 5:07 am

WidowMakers wrote:Ok Dim. 1) I will see what I can do about moving the tower over the arch. 2) I am not going to have a caligula gate. There is not a lot of that portion showing and I really don't think it is necessary. 3) The emperors stand is ok IMHO. Some pictures show it really big. Remember I basically took the original circus maximus and cut out 75% of the length. Things are pretty close. If you still feel that it is a problem we can have a poll after my next update when I move the north west tower over the arch.


1. thanks.
2. i'm not talking about the size of the emperor's stand but about the people inside it. you have lots of people in there when there should only be few.
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Postby The Random One on Thu May 31, 2007 6:14 am

WidowMakers wrote:Yes. They represent the different player colors. Initially there was too much red. I got the crowd from a picture of a stadium. People on the forum did not like the idea of the crowd being that red. I have added the different colors to represent teh different players in the game.


I can see why people complained about the red, but I doubt that in Ancient Rome people actually dressed in the colors of their favourite competitors *Imagines seven togaless drunken romans with FLAVIVS painted on their bellies* Unless I'm really wrong, the most common colors in their outfits were white, red and violet, so a crowd of Romans would really look more red than anything else. Oh, well - do as you (and the foundry) feel is best.
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Postby KEYOGI on Thu May 31, 2007 7:50 am

I agree with The Random One, the predominantly red crowd was fine.
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Postby Sparqs on Thu May 31, 2007 5:00 pm

Wow, your artwork is amazing, WidowMakers - it really adds to the gameplay experience.

My one critique of this version of the Circus Maximus map is that the center aisle looks a bit too shiny and clean. Maybe adding some dirt or other texture would soften it up.
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Postby KEYOGI on Thu May 31, 2007 7:41 pm

WidowMakers wrote:Well here is the next update. I have made several changes and there is now a poll to help determine some things.
*DiM suggested that I lower the number of people in the emperor's Throne area and add a throne. Done. I think it makes that portion look much better..

I will post the final version after the poll with armies both large and small. The four maps below have not changed the XML from the previous posts.

Here are the picture that correspond to the poll.
1) Multi colored crowd / remove northwest tower
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2) Multi colored crowd / keep northwest tower
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3) Mostly red colored crowd / remove northwest tower
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4) Mostly red colored crowd / keep northwest tower
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Postby DiM on Thu May 31, 2007 7:48 pm

clearly number 4. red crowds are more realistic. and the tower just fits nicely.
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Postby KEYOGI on Thu May 31, 2007 8:06 pm

Hmm... I still prefer the previous version below:

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While I understand moving the tower, it looks odd sitting where it is. I think it's because of the slanted look on the right side of it.
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