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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:15 pm
by unriggable
cairnswk wrote:Any more votes in this prelim poll....?


Cmon show the map its June 30!

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:26 am
by DiM
unriggable wrote:
cairnswk wrote:Any more votes in this prelim poll....?


Cmon show the map its June 30!


patience :wink:

Results spreadsheet

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:24 am
by cairnswk
Thanks to all those who posted their preference for this map. Your input is greatly appreciated :)
The results are all As as shown in the spreadsheet below.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:33 am
by unriggable
What's the deal with number 15 zeppelin90?

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:37 am
by cairnswk
unriggable wrote:What's the deal with number 15 zeppelin90?

Check back through the thread!

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:46 am
by DiM
here's what zeppelin90 said:

zeppelin90 wrote:i'd like a poll to vote no against the idea :P We have a lot of ancient battle type maps in progress and this idea doesn't impress me. Maybe it's that history bores me a bit -- but i think the majority of people would like maps that appeal to a greater mass.

IMO please dont rag on me :)



back on topic.

so it seems the results indicate A is the answer for all questions.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:15 pm
by unriggable
DiM wrote:so it seems the results indicate A is the answer for all questions.


At least it is for the first one judging by the map on his sig

V3 Ready for Discussion

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:24 am
by cairnswk
Well after much adaption and actual re-working of the original map that i had prepared, here is Version 3 ready for discussion.

Please read P1 for general starting design information.

Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:48 am
by onbekende
zomg, this is again beautifull

you will get a review later, stuff to do

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:35 am
by Ruben Cassar
I think that his name should be Octavianus and not Octavius at this time.

Another thing, wouldn't it be better to name them O1, O2, O3, etc instead of Oa, Ob, Oc?

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:47 am
by cairnswk
Ruben Cassar wrote:I think that his name should be Octavianus and not Octavius at this time.

Another thing, wouldn't it be better to name them O1, O2, O3, etc instead of Oa, Ob, Oc?


Hi Ruben...thanks for the post.
As the scholar of thing Roman I know you to be, if there is supporting evidence for the name change I would consider it, but also realise that all teh articles in Wiki, the Roman-net etc that I have seen, refer to him either as Octavian, or Gaius Octavius. The name Octavianus would alos be more letters to fit into confined spaced and I this is already limiting.

As to the O1, O2, etc did you read the first page of this thread? Using O1 etc will not sort properly in order for some regions as there is more than 10 terts in some, and if I used numerals I would have to use the double form O01 O02 O03 etc which is more writing and reading issues. That's why I used Oa Ob Oc etc. I think it works just fine.

Please let me know about the Octavianus link and I'll have a look if you have it.

Apart from that, do you like the map, concept, colours etc.

EDIT// "Owing to his adoption," (by Julius Caesar) "Octavius assumed the name Gaius Julius Caesar. Roman tradition dictated that he also append the surname Octavianus (Octavian) to indicate his biological family; however, no evidence exists that he ever used that name."
REF : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus; Para "Rise to Power"

Sorry, Ruben, it seems there is evidence as above, but since he didn't use that name, then Octavius is good for me. :)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:25 am
by Ruben Cassar
"Octavius also learned formally of his inheritance and adoption by the terms of Caesar's will, which had been broadcast by Marc Antony. By law, the adopted son of Caesar, Gaius Octavius, would now legally be known as Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus."

Source: http://web.mac.com/heraklia/Augustus/Oc ... index.html

This happened before the battle of Actium so at that time he was known as Octavianus. Later he was known as Augustus. Octavian is the Anglicised name given to him like Mark Anotny for Marcus Antonius and thus not his proper Latin name.

Don't always believe what wikipedia says, anyone can write anything in it.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:42 pm
by cairnswk
Ruben Cassar wrote:"Octavius also learned formally of his inheritance and adoption by the terms of Caesar's will, which had been broadcast by Marc Antony. By law, the adopted son of Caesar, Gaius Octavius, would now legally be known as Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus."

Source: http://web.mac.com/heraklia/Augustus/Oc ... index.html

This happened before the battle of Actium so at that time he was known as Octavianus. Later he was known as Augustus. Octavian is the Anglicised name given to him like Mark Anotny for Marcus Antonius and thus not his proper Latin name.

Don't always believe what wikipedia says, anyone can write anything in it.


Would you be offended if i stuck with Octavius? Afterall that was his birth name. :)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:20 pm
by unriggable
Not much I can say about the map exept the fact that those white land pillars need changing.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:07 am
by cairnswk
unriggable wrote:Not much I can say about the map exept the fact that those white land pillars need changing.

Yes thanks unriggable....there is changes going to happen there...keep your eyes peeled. :)
actually...i'm surprised this got moved out of new ideas so quickly!

V4 Update Tents and Buildings Change

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:37 am
by cairnswk
I wasn't happy with blocks and columns, so i made greek buildings and army tents.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:57 am
by Ruben Cassar
cairnswk wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:"Octavius also learned formally of his inheritance and adoption by the terms of Caesar's will, which had been broadcast by Marc Antony. By law, the adopted son of Caesar, Gaius Octavius, would now legally be known as Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus."

Source: http://web.mac.com/heraklia/Augustus/Oc ... index.html

This happened before the battle of Actium so at that time he was known as Octavianus. Later he was known as Augustus. Octavian is the Anglicised name given to him like Mark Anotny for Marcus Antonius and thus not his proper Latin name.

Don't always believe what wikipedia says, anyone can write anything in it.


Would you be offended if i stuck with Octavius? Afterall that was his birth name. :)


I am slowly trying to accept it. :) It's hard but I will succeed eventually...hopefully...

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:11 am
by cairnswk
Ruben Cassar wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:"Octavius also learned formally of his inheritance and adoption by the terms of Caesar's will, which had been broadcast by Marc Antony. By law, the adopted son of Caesar, Gaius Octavius, would now legally be known as Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus."

Source: http://web.mac.com/heraklia/Augustus/Oc ... index.html

This happened before the battle of Actium so at that time he was known as Octavianus. Later he was known as Augustus. Octavian is the Anglicised name given to him like Mark Anotny for Marcus Antonius and thus not his proper Latin name.

Don't always believe what wikipedia says, anyone can write anything in it.


Would you be offended if i stuck with Octavius? Afterall that was his birth name. :)


I am slowly trying to accept it. :) It's hard but I will succeed eventually...hopefully...


Ruben...you're a jolly good sport! :)

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:57 pm
by KEYOGI
Looks pretty impressive cairns, but geez... you like to create some pretty intense maps. Give me some time to figure it all out and have a detailed look over it and I'll get back to you. :wink:

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:19 pm
by unriggable
I think you should find a way to make those giant boats not bordeer so many countries, they're like the oceans in alexander's empire.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:33 pm
by cairnswk
KEYOGI wrote:Looks pretty impressive cairns, but geez... you like to create some pretty intense maps. Give me some time to figure it all out and have a detailed look over it and I'll get back to you. :wink:


Thanks Keyogi
Intense? That's what war is, is it not? At least there is not attack lines running all over the place in this one....LOL
Also Keyogi...as you know I like to try things a lilttle different for variety....it's the spicce of life!

Below is the small version simply upsized to the large version so the army shadows are also bigger than they will be.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:38 pm
by cairnswk
unriggable wrote:I think you should find a way to make those giant boats not bordeer so many countries, they're like the oceans in alexander's empire.

Thanks unriggable...why is this a challenge....is there a prob with them bordering so many terts....the max I can count is 6 terts around Arruntius and M Antonius....let me know? Does this affect overall strategy or make it harder for them to be captured?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:40 pm
by unriggable
cairnswk wrote:
unriggable wrote:I think you should find a way to make those giant boats not bordeer so many countries, they're like the oceans in alexander's empire.

Thanks unriggable...why is this a challenge....is there a prob with them bordering so many terts....the max I can count is 6 terts around Arruntius and M Antonius....let me know? Does this affect overall strategy or make it harder for them to be captured?


Well the person who captures them has a huge advantage, since they have so much fewer bordering countries. Try to make them take up fewer hexagons by making the ship smaller. I think that you're workning on the small version anyways so it should matter too much.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:51 pm
by cairnswk
unriggable wrote:Well the person who captures them has a huge advantage, since they have so much fewer bordering countries. Try to make them take up fewer hexagons by making the ship smaller. I think that you're workning on the small version anyways so it should matter too much.

I'm sorry...please explain what "since they have so much fewer bordering countries" means.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:09 pm
by DiM
unriggable wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
unriggable wrote:I think you should find a way to make those giant boats not bordeer so many countries, they're like the oceans in alexander's empire.

Thanks unriggable...why is this a challenge....is there a prob with them bordering so many terts....the max I can count is 6 terts around Arruntius and M Antonius....let me know? Does this affect overall strategy or make it harder for them to be captured?


Well the person who captures them has a huge advantage, since they have so much fewer bordering countries. Try to make them take up fewer hexagons by making the ship smaller. I think that you're workning on the small version anyways so it should matter too much.


not really ;)

let's see all the ships.

if L takes Sosius there's no advantage. same # of borders to protect
if S takes lurius there's no advantage. same # of borders to protect
if I takes Octavius not only there's no advantage but he has one more border to protect
if O takes Insteius there's no advantage. same # of borders to protect
if M takes Arruntius not only there's no advantage but he has one more border to protect
if A takes Antonius he has 2 less borders to protect.

so my guess is that the big ships are fine like this.