Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

[Jiron7]

I think the bonuses need to be toned down a little, I was playing and by the end I had won with 350+ armies on one territory unused. Other than the unnecessarily large bonuses once you really got rolling (Snowball effect, really. Once I got control of about two or three cell blocks, I had so many armies that I just another cell block every turn.), the map is very fun. And I didn't really mind the bonus issues, but it probably bugged my opponents.

[samuelc812]

I don't think they should i for one like playing with large amounts of armies

[mibi]

Ok here are my official change requests

1. The weapons in the yards have been changed to 2 neutrals to four to encourage their use as currently they are not worth the risk.
2. There is a door from guard 602 to guard 002. This is don't to provide a second exit to the warden/guard area. This will also encourage the use of the hole which is almost never used.
3. Guard 601 has been changed to 2 from 3 to encourage hole usage.
4. Guard 602 has been changed to 3 from 4 to encourage hole usage.
5. The Blade in the gen pop has been reduced from 4 to 3 to encourage earlier use.
6. The gas chamber has been changed from 6 to 5 to encourage use.

The main reason for these changes is to encourage the use of some un used elements and liven up the play a bit.

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so like... what needs to get done to get these changes in? yeti? andy? lack? Bueller?

[yeti_c]

Ya - I need to change some XML - I'll get on it shortly.

C.

[Ogrecrusher]

How do the changes affect matches currently in play?

[yeti_c]

How do the changes affect matches currently in play?

Neutral values won't affect anything - new connections will be opened up.

C.

[e_i_pi]

Great map, I've been playing it a bit recently. Which leads me to an observation. A fair few circles aren't centered (on the small map). I understand that it's difficult to centre exactly properly, as the small map is anti-aliased, but some of these are obviously out.

Outside
Dominik

Cell Block D
Joey (compared to Karl)
Ricky (compared to Roy)

Cell Block C
Ted

Cell Block B
General Hong

Yard
Hammer
Ace
Jin

[waseemalim]

I would suggest increasing the warden + gas chamber bonus to +8 and keep gashamber - warden at -5.

Reason: It just isnt worth it as it stands.

[Incandenza]

I still feel like guard 501 should be a 1 or 2...

[GenuineEarlGrey]

Thanks for this map... its a lot of fun to play.

After a one 1v1 game on it, I'm guessing that it would be better with more players.

The was one bit when my opponent and I got confused. From the map we thought holding a whole gang won you the game!

[laci_mae]

oi,

The legend clearly states, "Hole the gang leader AND 6 members"

So, the gang leader, 1 and 6 other members is 7 members. You held the gang leader and 5 others.

Great map mibi!

Let me throw in my two cents on this continued confusion with the gang bonuses. The legend is worded clearly, but BOB is not worded so clearly. If BOB would say "Latin Kings + 4 members (1)" instead of "5 Latin Kings (1)" it would make a lot more sense. The other kink is that BOB counts the members even if you don't hold the leader. This is helpful in deciding whether to take the leader, but also confusing when trying to sort out exactly what BOB is saying your bonuses are. I, however, have no idea what type of XML genius is needed to accomplish these semantic improvements.

Best,
Laci

[yeti_c]

oi,

The legend clearly states, "Hole the gang leader AND 6 members"

So, the gang leader, 1 and 6 other members is 7 members. You held the gang leader and 5 others.

Great map mibi!

Let me throw in my two cents on this continued confusion with the gang bonuses. The legend is worded clearly, but BOB is not worded so clearly. If BOB would say "Latin Kings + 4 members (1)" instead of "5 Latin Kings (1)" it would make a lot more sense. The other kink is that BOB counts the members even if you don't hold the leader. This is helpful in deciding whether to take the leader, but also confusing when trying to sort out exactly what BOB is saying your bonuses are. I, however, have no idea what type of XML genius is needed to accomplish these semantic improvements.

Best,
Laci

Nowt to do with BOB - that's to do with the XML naming structure...

Also - if you're also not quite sure how to use BOB correctly I suggest you read the help file - BOB clearly shows that "4 Latin Kings [1]" has a 1 bonus - whereas "3 Latin Kings" doesn't have a bonus.

C.

[mibi]

Great map, I've been playing it a bit recently. Which leads me to an observation. A fair few circles aren't centered (on the small map). I understand that it's difficult to centre exactly properly, as the small map is anti-aliased, but some of these are obviously out.

It's prison, some of the inmates are... unstable. Their circles are not quite even circles which makes centering rather impossible.

I would suggest increasing the warden + gas chamber bonus to +8 and keep gashamber - warden at -5.

Reason: It just isnt worth it as it stands.

Really? The thing about the gaschamber and warden is that if you spend your time going after the warden, and then securing the guard area, chances are you won't have many gang leaders to increase your bonus with. So the +5 becomes very valuable. It is a risky move for sure but a bit nessasary if you really hope to dominate from the warden. I am open to a +6 or +7 but +8 might be a bit high. Though if the map changes go through and there is a new entrance to the guard area, closer to the gas chamber, this increases the risk of the gas chamber, so the reward should go up.

I would like to hear others peoples thoughs on this though.

I still feel like guard 501 should be a 1 or 2...

Any reason? I like the idea of gen pop being kind of isolated, a pressure cooker. It is hard to get external forces in there, so if you don't maintain your reputation in the gen pop, then you are a bit fucked. If it were 2 or 1, then people would neglect the gen pop until it was time to rush in from the yard.

[laci_mae]

oi,

The legend clearly states, "Hole the gang leader AND 6 members"

So, the gang leader, 1 and 6 other members is 7 members. You held the gang leader and 5 others.

Great map mibi!

Let me throw in my two cents on this continued confusion with the gang bonuses. The legend is worded clearly, but BOB is not worded so clearly. If BOB would say "Latin Kings + 4 members (1)" instead of "5 Latin Kings (1)" it would make a lot more sense. The other kink is that BOB counts the members even if you don't hold the leader. This is helpful in deciding whether to take the leader, but also confusing when trying to sort out exactly what BOB is saying your bonuses are. I, however, have no idea what type of XML genius is needed to accomplish these semantic improvements.

Best,
Laci

Nowt to do with BOB - that's to do with the XML naming structure...

Also - if you're also not quite sure how to use BOB correctly I suggest you read the help file - BOB clearly shows that "4 Latin Kings [1]" has a 1 bonus - whereas "3 Latin Kings" doesn't have a bonus.

C.

Why thanks C. I am perfectly capable of understanding BOB. I was merely suggesting that many of the concerns raised by others indicate that the wording of the bonuses per BOB is slightly confusing.

L

[LPSanta]

Agreeing with one of the previous posts, there might be a counting bug. I'll monitor it as a game I'm in progresses, but here is what I saw so far:

I had the boss for La Cosa Nostra, "Don Vichi"

At the beginning of the turn I also had the following Cosa Nostra (in addition to the boss):
1) Frankie Bones
2) Paulie
3) Lil Joey
4) Saul
5) Vito

The Game Log reads that I received 1 troops for holding 4 Cosa Nostra, when I actually held 5.

Of course the bonus for three, four, or five is the same.
(+1 for 3 members, and +4 for 6 members).

I took another Cosa Nostra that turn for six, so I might see next turn if I get the proper +4 bonus for six next round....

UPDATE: When I captured one more for six Cosa Nostra (in addition to boss), I received the proper +4 bonus.