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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby Incandenza on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:36 pm

I gotta say, the fact that we're still discussing neutrals and bonuses and what not makes it kinda weird that the Beta tag has been removed. Seems like this is a textbook map for extended Beta status, as opposed to, say, charleston, where once it's determined that the XML isn't broken and the bonuses aren't hideously unbalanced, the beta tag should be removed asap.
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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby waseemalim on Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:06 am

cool +7 it is. Can we reduce the neutral to 3 or 4 for the chamber?

I dont personally like the idea of bumping down the neutrals around the bosses. Ben pointed out somewhere that the beauty of this map is that you have different strategies for different parts of the board -- and I dont think we want a Gen. population type war all over the place.

I dont think the +1 bonus helps much even if you get it in the drop. And +4 is still pretty low probability. I am kind of sleepy or I would have calculated it for you.
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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby waseemalim on Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:10 am

badlouie wrote:I absolutely love this map, but after 20+ games on it I have yet to see anyone go into "The Hole".

I haven't encountered a situation where it was worth it for me to secure that area.

So, I have a question- is the Hole ignored in most games, or have I simply been involved in a cluster of games where it simply hasn't come into play?



yea the hole is being ignored. But the updated version is opening a new hole into the hole :lol: .
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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby waseemalim on Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:13 am

Incandenza wrote:
I just want to make it a wee bit harder to hold gen pop given that it's the only cell block that can be locked down early in the game, thus giving a huge advantage to whoever comes away with it.



Funny you would say that. In standard games, it comes down to game theory. My record in standard games for this map isnt great, but I have generally won without focusing on the Gen. Pop AT ALL.
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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby gdeangel on Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:16 am

By far the dominant strategy I've seen is to get control of the gang members outside the front gate (very drop sensitive), and then go for the warden from the back door. The simple way to make this a little more challenging would be to allow the tower guards to bomb not just the yard, but also the "escapees" outside the front gate.
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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby yeti_c on Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:27 am

gdeangel wrote:By far the dominant strategy I've seen is to get control of the gang members outside the front gate (very drop sensitive), and then go for the warden from the back door. The simple way to make this a little more challenging would be to allow the tower guards to bomb not just the yard, but also the "escapees" outside the front gate.


That wouldn't work - because the tower guards can only be gained from going through the guard at the front - once you've done that you may as well work your way through and get to them normally...

The strategy is good though - if (esp in teams) you can eliminate your enemies out there - then it means you know that the warden is safe - and you can concentrate elsewhere - or go for the warden if you can...

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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby mibi on Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:51 pm

Ok here are my official change requests

1. The weapons in the yards have been changed to 2 neutrals to four to encourage their use as currently they are not worth the risk.
2. There is a door from guard 602 to guard 002. This is to provide a second exit to the warden/guard area. This will also encourage the use of the hole which is almost never used.
3. Guard 601 has been changed to 2 from 3 to encourage hole usage.
4. Guard 602 has been changed to 3 from 4 to encourage hole usage.
5. The Blade in the gen pop has been reduced from 4 to 3 to encourage earlier use.
6. The gas chamber has been changed from 7 to 5 to encourage use.
7. Guard 501 is reduced to 3 to reduce insulation of the gen pop


regarding neutral bosses.

yes it's worth considering. but this would essential give the bosses to certain players. if you are in a cell with a neutral boss then its all yours, your blocked in. if you are in a cell with a boss that is another player, you can either take them out, or be taken out your self. I have seen many situations where a starting boss player will try to shank his cell mate, lose control of the shank and then get shanked and killed by the cell mate on the next turn. cell mate rivavly and dominance is what its all about.
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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby MadagascarAdam on Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:19 am

OK, I'm not sure where the best place to post this is, or if the creator/manager of the map still reads this. But, I didn't want to post a new thread, so here it is:

I'm currently playing Supermax: Prison Riot! , my first time, and it's Game # 3697798 . I'm also using AJAX BOB.

It looks like it'll be a fun game. I got a really good drop, started with the gang leader and 4 aryan gang members. On my turn, I attacked and won two more aryan gang members. AJAX BOB registered the change in number of overall territories (so I have a higher territory bonus), but for some reason it still says I just have 4 gang members and will only get the smaller bonus, rather than the bigger bonus for having 6 gang members. Is this what will happen on my next turn or is it simply an error in processing for AJAX BOB and doesn't reflect my real bonuses I'll get?

I'd really like to start the game off by maintaining the lead I have and worked for, so if this is some kind of bug or something, PLEASE fix it by my next turn! Thank you!
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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby Incandenza on Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:24 am

MadagascarAdam wrote:OK, I'm not sure where the best place to post this is, or if the creator/manager of the map still reads this. But, I didn't want to post a new thread, so here it is:

I'm currently playing Supermax: Prison Riot! , my first time, and it's Game # 3697798 . I'm also using AJAX BOB.


What you're seeing is not a bug, it's how BOB reads continents. For more information, consult the preceding 5 pages worth of posts.
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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby MadagascarAdam on Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:33 am

Well, the point I was making wasn't that BOB said I had 4 rather than 6 Aryan brotherhood (in general), but that 6 is what the map key says is the turning point for the next bonus - and thus the point at which I'd expect BOB to show my higher bonus and have (6) in parentheses rather than (4).

However, I went back and looked at the map a lot more, looked at what BOB said about the other players, examined the map key more, etc.

And I think I've figured out my problem. The map key says "3 members +1" and "6 members +4" (or something like that), and I was always counting the little red circles with black outlines as having 6 members - and I do. However, I just realized that it means "Gang Leader" PLUS an ADDITIONAL "6 members". And I don't have that. I have 5 members and the gang leader, thus the reason why AJAX doesn't recognize a higher bonus - because I haven't met the requirements yet.

Anyway, I don't know how many other people might've been confused by this, but it may have been just me. Like I said, it's my first time playing this map.
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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby 3mp3r0r on Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:17 am

mibi wrote:Ok here are my official change requests

1. The weapons in the yards have been changed to 2 neutrals to four to encourage their use as currently they are not worth the risk.
2. There is a door from guard 602 to guard 002. This is to provide a second exit to the warden/guard area. This will also encourage the use of the hole which is almost never used.
3. Guard 601 has been changed to 2 from 3 to encourage hole usage.
4. Guard 602 has been changed to 3 from 4 to encourage hole usage.
5. The Blade in the gen pop has been reduced from 4 to 3 to encourage earlier use.
6. The gas chamber has been changed from 7 to 5 to encourage use.
7. Guard 501 is reduced to 3 to reduce insulation of the gen pop


ive seen a lot of people ask for these and want to know why the map's maker hasnt implemented them?
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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby yeti_c on Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:20 am

It's a good point...

Mibi - do you want me to sort the XML out for you?

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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby mibi on Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:41 pm

yeti_c wrote:It's a good point...

Mibi - do you want me to sort the XML out for you?

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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby EisenFaust on Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:11 pm

I understand that guards 003 and 004 can bombard the yard. What I don't understand is that it looks like they can in turn be can be attacked FROM the yard. And if they can be eliminated from the yard, then the attacker would gain access to the booking and visitors areas without having to go through guard 005. Is this correct?
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Re: Supermax: Prison Riot! [Quenched]

Postby laci_mae on Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:48 pm

EisenFaust wrote:I understand that guards 003 and 004 can bombard the yard. What I don't understand is that it looks like they can in turn be can be attacked FROM the yard. And if they can be eliminated from the yard, then the attacker would gain access to the booking and visitors areas without having to go through guard 005. Is this correct?


003 and 004 are separated from the yard by a wall. The walls on this map are impassable. The arrows indicate bombardment (per the legend). Currently,the only way to access the guard house is through 005.

Incidentally, this is why a door has been proposed between 002 and 602. If/when this door is added it will provide new strategic access to the warden.

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