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Postby khazalid on Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:55 pm

b. Marv mentioned a bridge from Xingu to Amapa instead of Japura to Roraima. Thoughts?

this too.
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Postby khazalid on Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:57 pm

on closer inspection i think the map would benefit from having both those bridges in (the hypothetical and the actual)
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Postby Marvaddin on Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:28 pm

Another thing I would like to suggest... Move the names over Atlantic to a position where they are more connected to the land mass, like Pernambuco (when its possible, of course). There is no reason for having names like Bahia over the ocean.

Did you forget the little renames list I sent to you, ed? Its like 2-3 territories, if I remember well.
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Postby edbeard on Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:41 pm

I did forget.

do you know them off hand?

edit: I changed Atacama to Cusco, but Rio Negro won't fit well where Japura is.

I have the names in the atlantic because all of them are that way. makes it more uniform. I'll move them all closer though.
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Postby tim02 on Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:58 pm

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Postby edbeard on Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:12 pm

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Made a few of the changes discussed here

1. Darkness of Patagonia and Gran Chaco cut down
2. Bridge from Xingu to Amapa and Matto Grosso to Sao Paulo
3. Water path now connects to Amapa instead of Suriname
4. I put out a different legend font because Marv suggested it. Let us know what you think. (I know we voted on this already, but just humour us please)
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Postby edbeard on Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:55 am

I'm done with small map now too and the XML. I'll post these once I get some feedback on the legend. Whether people like the change or if I should go back the the previous legend font.


So, I just fixed all the changes in the XML, but I'm getting a syntax error I didn't get before.

Test results:

line 1: <map> - Did not expect text in element map content

Summary: 1 errors and 0 warnings detected in SouthAmerica.xml.txt

I'm also getting this on my old Caribbean Islands XML too.

But, my own personal checks did not come up with any problems.


here is the XML if you want to peek.(sorry about long text)

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<map>
<title>South America</title>
<smallwidth>496</smallwidth>
<smallheight>515</smallheight>
<largewidth>576</largewidth>
<largeheight>598</largeheight>
<filetype>jpg</filetype>

   <continent>
<name>Andes</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Antioquia</component>
<component>Ecuador</component>
<component>Lima</component>
<component>Cusco</component>
<component>Santiago</component>
<component>Puerto Aisen</component>
</components>
</continent>

   <continent>
<name>Guyanan Highlands</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Caracas</component>
<component>Bogota</component>
<component>Bolivar</component>
<component>Guyana</component>
<component>Roraima</component>
<component>Suriname</component>
<component>Amapa</component>
</components>
</continent>

   <continent>
<name>Amazon</name>
<bonus>7</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Amazonas</component>
<component>Japura</component>
<component>Loreto</component>
<component>Acre</component>
<component>La Paz</component>
<component>Rondonia</component>
<component>Para</component>
<component>Xingu</component>
</components>
</continent>

   <continent>
<name>Brazilian Highlands</name>
<bonus>5</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Maranhao</component>
<component>Mato Grosso</component>
<component>Goias</component>
<component>Minas Gerais</component>
<component>Sao Paulo</component>
<component>Parana</component>
</components>
</continent>

   <continent>
<name>Caatinga</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Ceara</component>
<component>Fernando de Noronha</component>
<component>Pernambuco</component>
<component>Bahia</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Gran Chaco</name>
<bonus>3</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Potosi</component>
<component>Paraguay</component>
<component>Tucuman</component>
<component>La Rioja</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Pampas</name>
<bonus>3</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Rio Grande</component>
<component>Uruguay</component>
<component>Cordoba</component>
<component>Buenos Aires</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Patagonia</name>
<bonus>3</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Mendoza</component>
<component>Chubut</component>
<component>Santa Cruz</component>
<component>Falklands</component>
<component>Tierra del Fuego</component>
</components>
</continent>

   <territory>
<name>Antioquia</name>

   <borders>
<border>Bogota</border>
<border>Ecuador</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>54</smallx>
<smally>74</smally>
<largex>65</largex>
<largey>83</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Ecuador</name>

   <borders>
<border>Antioquia</border>
<border>Loreto</border>
<border>Lima</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>36</smallx>
<smally>134</smally>
<largex>41</largex>
<largey>153</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Lima</name>

   <borders>
<border>Ecuador</border>
<border>Cusco</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>43</smallx>
<smally>203</smally>
<largex>51</largex>
<largey>232</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Cusco</name>

   <borders>
<border>Lima</border>
<border>Santiago</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>84</smallx>
<smally>233</smally>
<largex>99</largex>
<largey>264</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Santiago</name>

   <borders>
<border>Cusco</border>
<border>Puerto Aisen</border>
<border>Potosi</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>93</smallx>
<smally>342</smally>
<largex>109</largex>
<largey>394</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Puerto Aisen</name>

   <borders>
<border>Santiago</border>
<border>Tierra del Fuego</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>88</smallx>
<smally>467</smally>
<largex>103</largex>
<largey>539</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Caracas</name>

   <borders>
<border>Bogota</border>
<border>Bolivar</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>107</smallx>
<smally>58</smally>
<largex>125</largex>
<largey>64</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Bogota</name>

   <borders>
<border>Amazonas</border>
<border>Japura</border>
<border>Bolivar</border>
<border>Caracas</border>
<border>Antioquia</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>87</smallx>
<smally>81</smally>
<largex>103</largex>
<largey>92</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Bolivar</name>

   <borders>
<border>Caracas</border>
<border>Bogota</border>
<border>Roraima</border>
<border>Guyana</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>127</smallx>
<smally>91</smally>
<largex>148</largex>
<largey>103</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Guyana</name>

   <borders>
<border>Bolivar</border>
<border>Roraima</border>
<border>Suriname</border>
<border>Amapa</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>180</smallx>
<smally>75</smally>
<largex>210</largex>
<largey>84</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Roraima</name>

   <borders>
<border>Bolivar</border>
<border>Japura</border>
<border>Guyana</border>
<border>Amapa</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>167</smallx>
<smally>116</smally>
<largex>195</largex>
<largey>130</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Suriname</name>

   <borders>
<border>Guyana</border>
<border>Amapa</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>215</smallx>
<smally>91</smally>
<largex>250</largex>
<largey>101</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Amapa</name>

   <borders>
<border>Roraima</border>
<border>Guyana</border>
<border>Suriname</border>
<border>Xingu</border>
<border>Ceara</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>196</smallx>
<smally>120</smally>
<largex>228</largex>
<largey>136</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Amazonas</name>

   <borders>
<border>Bogota</border>
<border>Japura</border>
<border>Loreto</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>87</smallx>
<smally>135</smally>
<largex>102</largex>
<largey>156</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Japura</name>

   <borders>
<border>Amazonas</border>
<border>Bogota</border>
<border>Roraima</border>
<border>Acre</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>146</smallx>
<smally>134</smally>
<largex>170</largex>
<largey>153</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Loreto</name>

   <borders>
<border>Ecuador</border>
<border>Amazonas</border>
<border>Acre</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>66</smallx>
<smally>151</smally>
<largex>77</largex>
<largey>175</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Acre</name>

   <borders>
<border>Loreto</border>
<border>Japura</border>
<border>La Paz</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>132</smallx>
<smally>159</smally>
<largex>154</largex>
<largey>181</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>La Paz</name>

   <borders>
<border>Acre</border>
<border>Potosi</border>
<border>Rondonia</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>132</smallx>
<smally>230</smally>
<largex>154</largex>
<largey>263</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Rondonia</name>

   <borders>
<border>La Paz</border>
<border>Potosi</border>
<border>Mato Grosso</border>
<border>Para</border>
<border>Xingu</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>172</smallx>
<smally>178</smally>
<largex>200</largex>
<largey>203</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Para</name>

   <borders>
<border>Rondonia</border>
<border>Xingu</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>214</smallx>
<smally>152</smally>
<largex>249</largex>
<largey>173</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Xingu</name>

   <borders>
<border>Para</border>
<border>Rondonia</border>
<border>Mato Grosso</border>
<border>Goias</border>
<border>Maranhao</border>
<border>Amapa</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>243</smallx>
<smally>173</smally>
<largex>283</largex>
<largey>197</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Maranhao</name>

   <borders>
<border>Xingu</border>
<border>Goias</border>
<border>Ceara</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>281</smallx>
<smally>168</smally>
<largex>327</largex>
<largey>191</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Mato Grosso</name>

   <borders>
<border>Paraguay</border>
<border>Potosi</border>
<border>Rondonia</border>
<border>Xingu</border>
<border>Goias</border>
<border>Sao Paulo</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>209</smallx>
<smally>254</smally>
<largex>243</largex>
<largey>291</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Goias</name>

   <borders>
<border>Mato Grosso</border>
<border>Xingu</border>
<border>Maranhao</border>
<border>Ceara</border>
<border>Bahia</border>
<border>Minas Gerais</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>248</smallx>
<smally>247</smally>
<largex>289</largex>
<largey>282</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Minas Gerais</name>

   <borders>
<border>Goias</border>
<border>Bahia</border>
<border>Sao Paulo</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>290</smallx>
<smally>255</smally>
<largex>337</largex>
<largey>292</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Sao Paulo</name>

   <borders>
<border>Minas Gerais</border>
<border>Parana</border>
<border>Mato Grosso</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>254</smallx>
<smally>289</smally>
<largex>296</largex>
<largey>333</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Parana</name>

   <borders>
<border>Sao Paulo</border>
<border>Rio Grande</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>234</smallx>
<smally>312</smally>
<largex>273</largex>
<largey>360</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Ceara</name>

   <borders>
<border>Maranhao</border>
<border>Amapa</border>
<border>Goias</border>
<border>Pernambuco</border>
<border>Bahia</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>307</smallx>
<smally>177</smally>
<largex>357</largex>
<largey>203</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Fernando de Noronha</name>

   <borders>
<border>Pernambuco</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>396</smallx>
<smally>145</smally>
<largex>460</largex>
<largey>165</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Pernambuco</name>

   <borders>
<border>Fernando de Noronha</border>
<border>Ceara</border>
<border>Bahia</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>346</smallx>
<smally>185</smally>
<largex>402</largex>
<largey>211</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Bahia</name>

   <borders>
<border>Ceara</border>
<border>Pernambuco</border>
<border>Goias</border>
<border>Minas Gerais</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>309</smallx>
<smally>219</smally>
<largex>359</largex>
<largey>251</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Potosi</name>

   <borders>
<border>La Paz</border>
<border>Rondonia</border>
<border>Mato Grosso</border>
<border>Paraguay</border>
<border>Tucuman</border>
<border>Santiago</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>145</smallx>
<smally>268</smally>
<largex>171</largex>
<largey>308</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Paraguay</name>

   <borders>
<border>Potosi</border>
<border>Mato Grosso</border>
<border>Tucuman</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>198</smallx>
<smally>307</smally>
<largex>231</largex>
<largey>353</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Tucuman</name>

   <borders>
<border>Potosi</border>
<border>Paraguay</border>
<border>La Rioja</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>153</smallx>
<smally>295</smally>
<largex>180</largex>
<largey>342</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>La Rioja</name>

   <borders>
<border>Tucuman</border>
<border>Rio Grande</border>
<border>Mendoza</border>
<border>Cordoba</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>155</smallx>
<smally>331</smally>
<largex>181</largex>
<largey>382</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Rio Grande</name>

   <borders>
<border>Parana</border>
<border>La Rioja</border>
<border>Uruguay</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>223</smallx>
<smally>344</smally>
<largex>260</largex>
<largey>397</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Uruguay</name>

   <borders>
<border>Rio Grande</border>
<border>Buenos Aires</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>200</smallx>
<smally>366</smally>
<largex>233</largex>
<largey>422</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Cordoba</name>

   <borders>
<border>La Rioja</border>
<border>Mendoza</border>
<border>Chubut</border>
<border>Buenos Aires</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>156</smallx>
<smally>369</smally>
<largex>182</largex>
<largey>426</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Buenos Aires</name>

   <borders>
<border>Cordoba</border>
<border>Uruguay</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>177</smallx>
<smally>405</smally>
<largex>206</largex>
<largey>469</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Mendoza</name>

   <borders>
<border>La Rioja</border>
<border>Cordoba</border>
<border>Chubut</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>123</smallx>
<smally>383</smally>
<largex>144</largex>
<largey>440</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Chubut</name>

   <borders>
<border>Mendoza</border>
<border>Cordoba</border>
<border>Santa Cruz</border>
<border>Falklands</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>135</smallx>
<smally>440</smally>
<largex>158</largex>
<largey>507</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Santa Cruz</name>

   <borders>
<border>Chubut</border>
<border>Tierra del Fuego</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>125</smallx>
<smally>484</smally>
<largex>144</largex>
<largey>559</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Falklands</name>

   <borders>
<border>Chubut</border>
<border>Tierra del Fuego</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>189</smallx>
<smally>504</smally>
<largex>219</largex>
<largey>581</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Tierra del Fuego</name>

   <borders>
<border>Santa Cruz</border>
<border>Falklands</border>
<border>Puerto Aisen</border>
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   <coordinates>
<smallx>136</smallx>
<smally>522</smally>
<largex>159</largex>
<largey>601</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
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Postby yeti_c on Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:05 am

The problem is the dashes -> did you save this using IE?

You need to open this in notepad - and get rid of those dashes...

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Postby edbeard on Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:13 am

no I did it in notepad

dashes were there from my Caribbean Islands xml. this problem never occurred with the old tester.

Anyway, that was the problem. Thanks!

I had one mistake in there Amapa didn't have Ceara as a border. Post edited above.
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Postby yeti_c on Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:19 am

edbeard wrote:no I did it in notepad

dashes were there from my Caribbean Islands xml. this problem never occurred with the old tester.

Anyway, that was the problem. Thanks!

I had one mistake in there Amapa didn't have Ceara as a border. Post edited above.


New tester is much more strict!!! DiM was having this problem too...

However I assume that Lack would've had to strip out those dashes in old XML's if they were there regardless of what the XML tester said!!

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Postby WidowMakers on Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:47 am

edbeard wrote:4. I put out a different legend font because Marv suggested it. Let us know what you think. (I know we voted on this already, but just humour us please)
I actually like the old text better (page 14)

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Postby edbeard on Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:43 pm

I figured I might as well post the small and large since I have them both. I'll wait to see more people comment on the legend font (also to see what Marv thinks).
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Postby Marvaddin on Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:03 pm

Very good, I liked the legend a lot :)

The single thing I still dislike is the position of some names. I would move Loreto to the west, and Guyana, Suriname and Maranhão a bit to southeast. I would make the names touch the land, also, when possible. And I still think its strange names like Bahia and Minas Gerais over ocean instead over land.

Hmmm, maybe reduce Pampas brightness too...

But other than that, I think its done :)
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Postby edbeard on Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:34 pm

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Postby edbeard on Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:34 pm

Added the small map with same changes in my previous post just above this one.

XML small and large pics

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Postby Marvaddin on Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:40 am

Perfect! :D
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Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:07 am

              Final Forge


---The South America Map has reached the ‘Final Forge’ Stage. I've revived this thread from the pits of the Foundry furnace and have exmined the contents. Nearly every major concern has been addressed. If there are any other current concerns, please make your voice heard. If after a reasonable amount of time there has not been any objection or protest, the map will be deemed finished with the 'Foundry Brand' of approval and will be submitted for live play. As long as there is still discussion or posts that have yet to be commented on, the map will remain in Final Forge until said discussion has reached the conclusion that the map has reached its final and polished version.

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(If someone wants to host this somewhere where it won't expire I don't think anyone would mind =D )


A bit early for me to post, but it also gets everything on the latest page.
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Postby yeti_c on Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:43 am

Congrats on FF - Looking good Edbeard...

A slight concern I have is the Mendoza name - it might look like it's a break in the mountains?!

Does it? I'm not sure... what do you reckon...

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Postby cairnswk on Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:01 am

Congrats in FF edbeard & Marvaddin....ended up coming out swell. Great work!
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Postby edbeard on Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:07 am

yeti_c wrote:Congrats on FF - Looking good Edbeard...

A slight concern I have is the Mendoza name - it might look like it's a break in the mountains?!

Does it? I'm not sure... what do you reckon...

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I reckon that you're crazy because it doesn't look like that to me.

Or, it could just be that I edited the image a bit just now per your suggestion and edited my post above. If this were the case, refreshing your browser would let you see the updated image.

But, I'll go with "yeti_c. you crazy"


edit: Don't forget to congratulate Marvaddin too!!

this is his map as much as it is mine.

so Marv, thanks partner! it was a crazy ride, but well worth it. I think we did a swell job.
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Postby yeti_c on Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:14 am

edbeard wrote:
yeti_c wrote:Congrats on FF - Looking good Edbeard...

A slight concern I have is the Mendoza name - it might look like it's a break in the mountains?!

Does it? I'm not sure... what do you reckon...

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I reckon that you're crazy because it doesn't look like that to me.

Or, it could just be that I edited the image a bit just now per your suggestion and edited my post above. If this were the case, refreshing your browser would let you see the updated image.

But, I'll go with "yeti_c. you crazy"


edit: Don't forget to congratulate Marvaddin too!!

this is his map as much as it is mine.

so Marv, thanks partner! it was a crazy ride, but well worth it. I think we did a swell job.


- I can see the difference (Cos you didn't update the test images!) - like it perfect... although bizarrely the M's on the large map look more like N's... but not on the small map!!!

And congrats to Marv too - the guys behind the map often don't get congratulated mumble mumble AOR mumble

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Postby edbeard on Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:36 am

OK. I figured out that putting a space before the M makes the M look like an actual M.


Also I decided to move Chubut and Paraguay's labels a bit since I was doing all this.

changes are above again. so refresh those browsers.
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Postby yeti_c on Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:40 am

edbeard wrote:OK. I figured out that putting a space before the M makes the M look like an actual M.


Also I decided to move Chubut and Paraguay's labels a bit since I was doing all this.

changes are above again. so refresh those browsers.


Nice one... (just to confirm - the island in the top right IS an N isn't it?) (Fernando de Noronha)

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Postby edbeard on Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:43 am

yes it is an N

every other name starting in M was fine, but that layer was just being difficult
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