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Postby Gnome on Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:27 pm

I like your map...but there are some things that I don't like that much...

-some borders are to straight...as for edmonds and shoreline its ok...but the border between Mason co. and Kitsap Co. looks so unnatural...Can't you just make it like the rest? I think that would look way better...

-You also forgot to draw some black borders, the border between lakewood and Tacoma, you have a river there....you started a border at lakewood but you didn't finished it...maybe it's better to stop it at the river mouth...

-And I don't agree with some bonuses, how did you calculate them?
King Co has 7 borders and has a bonus of 7 (agree)
Snohomish has 3 borders but has a bonus of 4 (disagree)
Pierce Co has 4 borders and has a bonus of 4 (agree)
Thurston CO has 2 borders and has a bonus of 2 (agree)
Mason CO has 4 borders and has a bonus of 4 (agree, although its hard to hold explanation at Kitsap Co)
Jefferson CO has 2 borders and a bonus of 2 (agree)
Kitsap Co has 6 borders and has a bonus of 7 (disagree much...When you hold Kitsap Co you get a bonus of 7 which is a lot because you can defend Kitsap with only 5 borders...
When you take Allyn and Seattle you can easely prevent some1 to take Masson co because Tahuya can only be fortified along Allyn...and you can afford to put your defense from Bremerton and Bainbridge into 1 territory (Seattle)
I think this makes the gameplay really hard...
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Postby jako on Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:31 pm

lol i just spotted this thread, ur map is looking pretty good for a rough draft.

i guess i will put in some suggestions as well (though i highly doubt u will take them seriously or into consideration)

1. i agree with edbeard, the orca is just not doing it for this map, looks out of place. perhaps look around for a different pic? and if u cant, try edbeard's way, so that it doesnt stick out too much and but can still be a part of the map.

2. MT rainier, it just looks weird. a box in that little corner there. is it really needed? just doesnt fit well with the map so far. looks like a half-ass job, like u just stuck it in a box down there. (no offense)

3. ur rivers seems to be having some kind of problem there. if u look closely, u can see some light blue underneath it, probably the bottom layer of the background, when u put the terrs on top? or is that intentional?

thats about it i think, and yeah, ur map looks pretty good

ps ur rivers imo, are kinda ugly. but thats just me :roll:
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Postby jako on Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:35 pm

Gnome wrote:I like your map...but there are some things that I don't like that much...

-some borders are to straight...as for edmonds and shoreline its ok...but the border between Mason co. and Kitsap Co. looks so unnatural...Can't you just make it like the rest? I think that would look way better...

-You also forgot to draw some black borders, the border between lakewood and Tacoma, you have a river there....you started a border at lakewood but you didn't finished it...maybe it's better to stop it at the river mouth...

-And I don't agree with some bonuses, how did you calculate them?
King Co has 7 borders and has a bonus of 7 (agree)
Snohomish has 3 borders but has a bonus of 4 (disagree)
Pierce Co has 4 borders and has a bonus of 4 (agree)
Thurston CO has 2 borders and has a bonus of 2 (agree)
Mason CO has 4 borders and has a bonus of 4 (agree, although its hard to hold explanation at Kitsap Co)
Jefferson CO has 2 borders and a bonus of 2 (agree)
Kitsap Co has 6 borders and has a bonus of 7 (disagree much...When you hold Kitsap Co you get a bonus of 7 which is a lot because you can defend Kitsap with only 5 borders...
When you take Allyn and Seattle you can easely prevent some1 to take Masson co because Tahuya can only be fortified along Allyn...and you can afford to put your defense from Bremerton and Bainbridge into 1 territory (Seattle)
I think this makes the gameplay really hard...


actually i disagree with ur bonus comments, i think her bonus values are fine, u have to also take into account how many terrs it contains that u have to control in order to get the bonus, and in this case, the amount of terrs to entry points suits the bonus values.
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Postby Tisha on Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:35 pm

wicked wrote:the Lakewood to Vashon route, can you move that to the right a bit to make it longer and more visible? And maybe do something to make the title stand out a bit more? different color/texture maybe? and you need to sign it somewhere eventually! ;-)

It's looking good. Is Mercer Island necessary? And any ideas on bridges?

p.s... update the title of the thread to let people know what page the latest map is on. ;-)


more visible there?

i need help with bridges.. :P

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Postby Gnome on Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:56 pm

jako wrote:
Gnome wrote:I like your map...but there are some things that I don't like that much...

-some borders are to straight...as for edmonds and shoreline its ok...but the border between Mason co. and Kitsap Co. looks so unnatural...Can't you just make it like the rest? I think that would look way better...

-You also forgot to draw some black borders, the border between lakewood and Tacoma, you have a river there....you started a border at lakewood but you didn't finished it...maybe it's better to stop it at the river mouth...

-And I don't agree with some bonuses, how did you calculate them?
King Co has 7 borders and has a bonus of 7 (agree)
Snohomish has 3 borders but has a bonus of 4 (disagree)
Pierce Co has 4 borders and has a bonus of 4 (agree)
Thurston CO has 2 borders and has a bonus of 2 (agree)
Mason CO has 4 borders and has a bonus of 4 (agree, although its hard to hold explanation at Kitsap Co)
Jefferson CO has 2 borders and a bonus of 2 (agree)
Kitsap Co has 6 borders and has a bonus of 7 (disagree much...When you hold Kitsap Co you get a bonus of 7 which is a lot because you can defend Kitsap with only 5 borders...
When you take Allyn and Seattle you can easely prevent some1 to take Masson co because Tahuya can only be fortified along Allyn...and you can afford to put your defense from Bremerton and Bainbridge into 1 territory (Seattle)
I think this makes the gameplay really hard...


actually i disagree with ur bonus comments, i think her bonus values are fine, u have to also take into account how many terrs it contains that u have to control in order to get the bonus, and in this case, the amount of terrs to entry points suits the bonus values.


Ok maybe your right about the bonuses...but I still think that the way you can make it some1 really really hard to keep Mason Co and you only make it yourself easier to hold Kitsap is unfair...
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Postby Wisse on Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:03 pm

you want to have a killer whale (orca) that mayby fits the map?
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shrink one of the 2 largest ones and i think they'll fit

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Postby wicked on Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:06 pm

I like the whale. But would be just as good if shrunk a bit. Can you put a small sea lion and/or salmon in there too? :-)
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Postby jako on Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:15 pm

Gnome wrote:
jako wrote:
Gnome wrote:I like your map...but there are some things that I don't like that much...

-some borders are to straight...as for edmonds and shoreline its ok...but the border between Mason co. and Kitsap Co. looks so unnatural...Can't you just make it like the rest? I think that would look way better...

-You also forgot to draw some black borders, the border between lakewood and Tacoma, you have a river there....you started a border at lakewood but you didn't finished it...maybe it's better to stop it at the river mouth...

-And I don't agree with some bonuses, how did you calculate them?
King Co has 7 borders and has a bonus of 7 (agree)
Snohomish has 3 borders but has a bonus of 4 (disagree)
Pierce Co has 4 borders and has a bonus of 4 (agree)
Thurston CO has 2 borders and has a bonus of 2 (agree)
Mason CO has 4 borders and has a bonus of 4 (agree, although its hard to hold explanation at Kitsap Co)
Jefferson CO has 2 borders and a bonus of 2 (agree)
Kitsap Co has 6 borders and has a bonus of 7 (disagree much...When you hold Kitsap Co you get a bonus of 7 which is a lot because you can defend Kitsap with only 5 borders...
When you take Allyn and Seattle you can easely prevent some1 to take Masson co because Tahuya can only be fortified along Allyn...and you can afford to put your defense from Bremerton and Bainbridge into 1 territory (Seattle)
I think this makes the gameplay really hard...


actually i disagree with ur bonus comments, i think her bonus values are fine, u have to also take into account how many terrs it contains that u have to control in order to get the bonus, and in this case, the amount of terrs to entry points suits the bonus values.


Ok maybe your right about the bonuses...but I still think that the way you can make it some1 really really hard to keep Mason Co and you only make it yourself easier to hold Kitsap is unfair...


but think about the amount of troops it takes to take over all the terrs required for the bonus, most players will see the large amount terrs that needs taking over, and would obviously head for small ones with lesser amount of terrs, because they will think it will be easier.
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Postby Tisha on Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:32 pm

I'd like to keep the county borders true to the area. Mt. Rainier hasn't been just thrown in.. that is the shape of Mt. Rainier National Park.

I'm not sure how your telling me to fix the river....if u do have something better Jako, I would love to see. The light blue wasn't a layer showing through, it was part of the river. I didn't want the river completely one color. I changed it...a little bit of an outline. Is that any better?

And as for Kitsap Co. bonus, I do think it will be hard to hold it with the border of the five. It always is when trying to hold land in other bonuses as your border. Mason can easily grab Thurston Co. and have two extra for a bonus, with the same amount of borders

And I do like the new Killer Whales better. They are native to the land, and want to live on my map.

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Postby oaktown on Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:00 pm

good start so far. You've found a region that lends itself to a CC map.

The color palette doesn't work for me... seems a bit bright for the Pacific Northwest.
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Postby jako on Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:31 pm

oaktown wrote:good start so far. You've found a region that lends itself to a CC map.

The color palette doesn't work for me... seems a bit bright for the Pacific Northwest.


lol that was my next comment, yeah the colours arent what i would picture for this area, and its hard on the eyes, that up north its all bright, almost a glare like feel to it, and then down south its all dark. also ur title blends into snohomish co. too much, i almost missed seeing it. u maybe have to try another colour for the title, or darken it a bit more so it stands out from that area.

the rivers are better than before, but is there any way u can smooth it out more, seems so pixelated and choppy. (not sure if u understood that)

the orcas do look better than that humongous one earlier, but maybe making them a bit more transparent so that they are more in the background and not sticking out apart from the map too much. my eyes keep concentrating on the orcas for some reason.

the central area, kitsap co., king co., and mason co. is at a lost for me. i dont know how u can improve that area with out changing borders/ferry routes and maybe possibly the entire central layout.
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Postby Tisha on Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:38 pm

oaktown wrote:good start so far. You've found a region that lends itself to a CC map.

The color palette doesn't work for me... seems a bit bright for the Pacific Northwest.


well.. what exactly says Northwest to you?
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Postby oaktown on Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:41 pm

jako wrote:lol that was my next comment, yeah the colours arent what i would picture for this area, and its hard on the eyes, that up north its all bright, almost a glare like feel to it, and then down south its all dark.

Right... between the colors and the orcas this makes me think Sea World, San Diego.

This is just an idea and you may hate it, but what if you borrowed from northwestern native art? For instance, you could run a totem pole along one side and work it into your legend, then lift your color pallette from it... yellows, blues, greens, brown and white?
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Postby Xyl on Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:27 am

oaktown wrote:good start so far. You've found a region that lends itself to a CC map.

The color palette doesn't work for me... seems a bit bright for the Pacific Northwest.


I don't know. Seattle is the "emerald city", Tacoma really is gray, and Olympic National Park is strangely appropriate in teal... :D

For the rivers, just do it like you did the Montlake Cut. No need to represent all the little tributaries on the map.

Oh, and whichever river that is between Kanaskat and Orting, it really should go all the way to the sea.... unless it's actually starting in the Federal Way foothills and flowing east. :lol:
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Postby reverend_kyle on Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:36 am

the papyrus font doesn't work
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Postby Tisha on Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:25 pm

jako, is there anything u actually like about the map at all?

I actually loved the totem pole.. great for the North West. I found a picture of it complete.

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The colors do look nice on the map, I'm just not sure where to fit a totem pole.. :?

and is this font better reverend_kyle? (please say yes) there aren't many that I like. I know it does need shadow or something to the font...would just like reverend_kyle's approval before working on that more..

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Postby Xyl on Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:42 pm

Your rivers are still running east. :)
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Postby Tisha on Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:37 pm

better? The river in the south is actually Carbon River and the river in the north is White River...White River actually flows into Carbon River on the REAL maps... should I lie, and continue it to the sound?
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Postby flyingskiman on Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:56 pm

FINALLY!!!

its kind of hard to see any of the names in Kitsap though. but i like the rest!
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Postby Backglass on Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:08 pm

I love it!

Now, my problem is I was born & raised in Bellevue, my sister is in Tacoma, my brother lives in Everett and my parents are retired in Kingston. Which county to I dominate first?! :lol:
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Postby Xyl on Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:09 pm

Tisha wrote:better? The river in the south is actually Carbon River and the river in the north is White River...White River actually flows into Carbon River on the REAL maps... should I lie, and continue it to the sound?


Well, you can either lie and continue it to the sound, or you can have it actually drain into the carbon river and use it as the Tacoma/Orting border. But having it just disappear randomly doesn't seem like a good option. It makes it look like it's flowing east. :)

Of course, that's not the only reason it looks like it's going east. The other reason is that your tributaries are pointing in the wrong direction on both rivers... :D
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Postby Tisha on Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:57 am

Xyl wrote:
Tisha wrote:better? The river in the south is actually Carbon River and the river in the north is White River...White River actually flows into Carbon River on the REAL maps... should I lie, and continue it to the sound?


Well, you can either lie and continue it to the sound, or you can have it actually drain into the carbon river and use it as the Tacoma/Orting border. But having it just disappear randomly doesn't seem like a good option. It makes it look like it's flowing east. :)

Of course, that's not the only reason it looks like it's going east. The other reason is that your tributaries are pointing in the wrong direction on both rivers... :D


that's pretty much the way the river goes..
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Postby Keredrex on Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:18 am

try using all white text for the names and a black Drop shadow....
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Postby Tisha on Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:33 am

Keredrex wrote:try using all white text for the names and a black Drop shadow....


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Postby jako on Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:53 pm

Tisha wrote:jako, is there anything u actually like about the map at all?

I actually loved the totem pole.. great for the North West. I found a picture of it complete.

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The colors do look nice on the map, I'm just not sure where to fit a totem pole.. :?

and is this font better reverend_kyle? (please say yes) there aren't many that I like. I know it does need shadow or something to the font...would just like reverend_kyle's approval before working on that more..

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to be honest, this wouldnt be my first pick to play on. its looking a lot better now. rivers are good, i was also gonna suggest keeping ur terr name fonts the same but it was already suggested and implemented so no problems there.

im not a fan of the borders for ur terrs, especially in mason co. it just looks rough and not very pretty. but i dont expect u to change it since that may be how the real borders are.

i dont reconmend adding the totem as it will distract player's attention from the map and create unneccesary clutter for ur map.

the colours look a lot better now, but if i may, i would like to suggest toning down the water. its pretty hard on the eyes adn is also a bit distracting compared to the lighter colours of ur land.

btw, could u do something about the border of Mt rainer. its pretty annoying to see a box terr compared to the relative style of ur other borders. i just hope u didnt add it in, just cause its a landmark near that area. box terrs dont make good terrs especially when the rest of ur map does not follow the same format.
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