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Postby gimil on Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:33 am

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gimil wrote:Morning cairns and how are you on this fine day. Ive circles a few on the little issues ive seen currently.

MRS: Shouldn't it be two colors since its from two different lines?

HAM, SPG and ISL: These stations seem to be missing posts? on either end of where the armies numbers are placed.

Also the red area ive circles i seem is empty a could use a little something to fill it up :wink:

EDIT: SPG's font isn't bolded :)


Gimil...oh my...i'm not doing very well am I? :cry:

Anyway, in the image above (refresh your browser) i've fixed those circles issues with the exception of the Ukraine area, would you like to see another station in there? or perhaps an image.

I am going to pull all the tert names into a layer and get them all the same in the next version.

Thanks. :)


The Ukraine area isn't really a big concern just think it would be niev to have a little something there. A station might work. But to be honset im not to bothered :D
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Postby gimil on Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:36 am

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gimil wrote:Morning cairns and how are you on this fine day. Ive circles a few on the little issues ive seen currently.


Gimil...do forgive me...evening to you! I'm pretty tired actually after a long day at work, and working all weekend on this one, plus other stuff.
Hope you have a fine day, nice fresh eyes you have. :) :wink:


So long as your well. Keep working hard and ill keep my eeys as fresh for you as i can :)
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Postby cairnswk on Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:41 am

gimil wrote:The Ukraine area isn't really a big concern just think it would be niev to have a little something there. A station might work. But to be honset im not to bothered :D


OK...I've found LVUV and ODESSA for that area, but I'll have to reconfigure the rail lines to include Budapest. That will fill that area nicely and the Urkraine will become a large continent.
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Postby gimil on Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:46 am

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gimil wrote:The Ukraine area isn't really a big concern just think it would be niev to have a little something there. A station might work. But to be honset im not to bothered :D


OK...I've found LVUV and ODESSA for that area, but I'll have to reconfigure the rail lines to include Budapest. That will fill that area nicely and the Urkraine will become a large continent.


Dont strain yourself now :lol:
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Postby cairnswk on Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:00 am

gimil wrote:Dont strain yourself now :lol:


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Postby onbekende on Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:01 am

review time!!

I will work via the bonusses

Brabant Express:
4 terr, 3 def, 9 cont => Bonus of 4, make it 4, more then enough for a 4 terr continent with 3 to defend stations. (1.0)
change name to "Benelux Express" (1.1)

Baltic Express:
3 terr, 3 def, 5 cont => Bonus of 3, thus good
Station "SPG", its name in't bolded as everyone elses. (2.0)

Nord Express:
5 terr, 4 def, 10 cont => Bonus of 5, thus good
Station "KLG", its top with clock is different from the other 1 station, 1 line stations, as in you keep the arc in gray and here not (3.0)

Vilnius Express:
3 terr, 2 def, 4 cont => Bonus of 3, but I like your 2, more appropiate, thus fine
Station "VIL" has the same as adressed in 3.0, look at "MIN" next to it how I mean I like it (4.0)

British Rail:
4 terr, 1 def, 2 cont => Bonus of 2, thus good
I can't but wonder that "GLW" station is wider in size then "EDB" or is it my eyes?

Trentitalia:
5 terr, 3 def, 2 cont => Bonus of 3, but I agree with 2, thus fine
station "CBA" and "BSI" don't have that nifty color in there top as the rest of the 1 station, 1 line stations (5.0)
the name of "FLN" is slighty off to the left (5.1)

Orient Exp 1919:
7 terr, 6 def, 8 cont => Bonus of 7, I say 7 is more then fine for that railway (6.0)

Sim Orient Exp 1921:
9 terr, 9 def, 10 cont => Bonus of 10, I say atleast a bonus of 9 (7.0)

Ven-Sim Orient Exp:
6 terr, 6 def, 8 cont => Bonus of 7, I agree, this will be a fought over railway

Train Grande Vitesse:
4 terr, 4 def, 9 cont => Bonus of 5 but I say make it a bonus of 3! yes 3, explaination is at the bottom of post (8.0)

Rail Iberia:
7 terr, 2 def, 1 cont => Bonus of 3, seems failrly nice

EuroCity 174-175:
terr 4, def 4, cont 5 => Bonus of 4, thus good
"PRG" station, you switch colors between the color behind the name and on the sides. (9.0)

Scandanavian Rail:
7 terr, 2 def, 3 cont => Bonus of 3, but I agree on the 2
"HAM" station doesn't has the color of Scandanavian Rail behinds its name (10.0)

Trans Europe Exp:
7 terr, 6 def, 10 cont => Bonus of 7, thus good

Ukraine Express:
6 terr, 4 def, 5 cont => Bonus of 5, thus good

Iceberg Express:
5 terr, 5 def, 8 cont => Bonus of 6, thus good
Why on earth is it called "Iceberg Express"? it links London (LON) - Brussels (BRU) - Keulen (KLN) - Luzern? (LUS) - Paris (PAR), thus why not calling it the Thalys or if a more wider term, HST as in "High Speed Trains" which run between those city's



(8.0): if you hold the TGV's Paris station and NCE station, you have both TGV + Rail Iberia, thus don't overgo on the bonus of those 2, hends I wish TGV = 3
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Postby cairnswk on Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:59 am

onbekende wrote:review time!!


onbekende...because i change the Ukraine Rail, and also the EuroCity Express, can you please alter your review above to reflect these changes.

The new V6 is below

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Postby gimil on Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:02 am

That looks better :)

is there any plans for the rail routes them self?

Im not a fan on the 1px line :wink:

EDIT: Also i think taking out the land that over laps the legends is a must do :)

ANOTHER EDIT: alternatively you could take out the blank section of the legends and work the land round that.
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Postby onbekende on Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:09 am

shall overlook the bonusses later but I can tell ou this:

"HSL" naùme isn't centralized, neither is all the Scandanavian ones, "HAM" still misses the 3rd color, "KEV" station has some problems of name centralisations and falling clockwork. "VIE" - "BUD" - "BGD" - "BUC" - "SOF" also suffer from what I know think a layer shifting (correct?)

than again, I note a couple of tings I said not changed/commented/or even argued, so meh
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Postby cairnswk on Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:19 am

gimil wrote:That looks better :)

is there any plans for the rail routes them self?

Im not a fan on the 1px line :wink:

EDIT: Also i think taking out the land that over laps the legends is a must do :)

ANOTHER EDIT: alternatively you could take out the blank section of the legends and work the land round that.


GIMIL...I apologise before I say this :wink: but

DON'T YOU GUYS & GALS READ ANY OF THE POSTS THAT I PUT ON HERE OR DO I JUST DO OT FOR THE FUN OF IT TO WASTE MY TIME AND NOT PROVIDE INFORMATION ON WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE MAP...FOR ABOUT THE THIRD OR FOURTH TIME

WM IS DOING SOME LINES LATER WHEN EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE.

Now, back to other business. i think the land over the bonus is a nice design feature, so i will probably leave it there. :)
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Postby cairnswk on Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:23 am

onbekende wrote:shall overlook the bonusses later but I can tell ou this:

"HSL" naùme isn't centralized, neither is all the Scandanavian ones, "HAM" still misses the 3rd color, "KEV" station has some problems of name centralisations and falling clockwork. "VIE" - "BUD" - "BGD" - "BUC" - "SOF" also suffer from what I know think a layer shifting (correct?)

than again, I note a couple of tings I said not changed/commented/or even argued, so meh


onbekende...please refresh your browser, as these irritations have been amended in V6 Large above.

I will attend to all your issues in your review when you re-examine the bonuses and do an edit on the latest version. :)
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Postby gimil on Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:27 am

cairns you didn't have to shout :cry:

I tried my best to keep up with your map :(
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Postby Kaplowitz on Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:31 am

cairnswk wrote:
gimil wrote:That looks better :)

is there any plans for the rail routes them self?

Im not a fan on the 1px line :wink:

EDIT: Also i think taking out the land that over laps the legends is a must do :)

ANOTHER EDIT: alternatively you could take out the blank section of the legends and work the land round that.


GIMIL...I apologise before I say this :wink: but

DON'T YOU GUYS & GALS READ ANY OF THE POSTS THAT I PUT ON HERE OR DO I JUST DO OT FOR THE FUN OF IT TO WASTE MY TIME AND NOT PROVIDE INFORMATION ON WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE MAP...FOR ABOUT THE THIRD OR FOURTH TIME

WM IS DOING SOME LINES LATER WHEN EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE.

Now, back to other business. i think the land over the bonus is a nice design feature, so i will probably leave it there. :)


lol, reading! :roll: who the hell does that?!
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Postby unriggable on Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:42 am

Why does turkey overlap the legend when there are no stations there?
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Postby onbekende on Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:02 pm

I changed the stuff about the bonusses where it needed to be changed

onbekende wrote:Brabant Express:
4 terr, 3 def, 9 cont => Bonus of 4, make it 4, more then enough for a 4 terr continent with 3 to defend stations. (1.0)
change name to "Benelux Express" (1.1)

Baltic Express:
3 terr, 3 def, 5 cont => Bonus of 3, thus good
Station "SPG", its name in't bolded as everyone elses. (2.0)

Nord Express:
5 terr, 4 def, 10 cont => Bonus of 5, thus good
Station "KLG", its top with clock is different from the other 1 station, 1 line stations, as in you keep the arc in gray and here not (3.0)

Vilnius Express:
3 terr, 2 def, 4 cont => Bonus of 3, but I like your 2, more appropiate, thus fine
Station "VIL" has the same as adressed in 3.0, look at "MIN" next to it how I mean I like it (4.0)

British Rail:
4 terr, 1 def, 2 cont => Bonus of 2, thus good
I can't but wonder that "GLW" station is wider in size then "EDB" or is it my eyes?

Trentitalia:
5 terr, 3 def, 2 cont => Bonus of 3, but I agree with 2, thus fine
station "CBA" and "BSI" don't have that nifty color in there top as the rest of the 1 station, 1 line stations (5.0)
the name of "FLN" is slighty off to the left (5.1)

Orient Exp 1919:
7 terr, 6 def, 8 cont => Bonus of 7, I say 7 is more then fine for that railway (6.0)

Sim Orient Exp 1921:
9 terr, 9 def, 13 cont => Bonus of 10, I say atleast a bonus of 9 (7.0)

Ven-Sim Orient Exp:
6 terr, 6 def, 8 cont => Bonus of 7, I agree, this will be a fought over railway

Train Grande Vitesse:
4 terr, 4 def, 9 cont => Bonus of 5 but I say make it a bonus of 3! yes 3, explaination is at the bottom of post (8.0)

Rail Iberia:
7 terr, 2 def, 1 cont => Bonus of 3, seems failrly nice

EuroCity 174-175:
terr 7, def 6, cont 7 => Bonus of 7, I say a bonus of 6 shall be sufficient for it (9.0)
"PRG" station, you switch colors between the color behind the name and on the sides. (9.1)

Scandanavian Rail:
7 terr, 2 def, 3 cont => Bonus of 3, but I agree on the 2
"HAM" station doesn't has the color of Scandanavian Rail behinds its name (10.0)

Trans Europe Exp:
7 terr, 6 def, 10 cont => Bonus of 7, thus good

Ukraine Express:
6 terr, 3 def, 5 cont => Bonus of 4, make it 4, seeing you only need to defend 3 stations anyway. (11.0)

Iceberg Express:
5 terr, 5 def, 8 cont => Bonus of 6, thus good
Why on earth is it called "Iceberg Express"? it links London (LON) - Brussels (BRU) - Keulen (KLN) - Luzern? (LUS) - Paris (PAR), thus why not calling it the Thalys or if a more wider term, HST as in "High Speed Trains" which run between those city's



(8.0): if you hold the TGV's Paris station and NCE station, you have both TGV + Rail Iberia, thus don't overgo on the bonus of those 2, hends I wish TGV = 3
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Postby cairnswk on Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:06 pm

gimil wrote:cairns you didn't have to shout :cry:

I tried my best to keep up with your map :(


gimil...i know you tried your best...but i also expect you to go back a little ways and read some of what is being written to keep up, and a couple of times this question was ask, and you proceeded to ask it again. One does lose some patience you know! :cry:

However, onwards and upwards.! :)
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Postby cairnswk on Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:08 pm

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lol, reading! :roll: who the hell does that?!


my point exactly kaplowitz!
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Postby cairnswk on Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:14 pm

onbekende wrote:I changed the stuff about the bonusses where it needed to be changed

Thanks for doing that.

Brabant Express:
4 terr, 3 def, 9 cont => Bonus of 4, make it 4, more then enough for a 4 terr continent with 3 to defend stations. (1.0)
change name to "Benelux Express" (1.1)

Done

Baltic Express:
3 terr, 3 def, 5 cont => Bonus of 3, thus good
Station "SPG", its name in't bolded as everyone elses. (2.0)
Done

Nord Express:
5 terr, 4 def, 10 cont => Bonus of 5, thus good
Station "KLG", its top with clock is different from the other 1 station, 1 line stations, as in you keep the arc in gray and here not (3.0)

Done

Vilnius Express:
3 terr, 2 def, 4 cont => Bonus of 3, but I like your 2, more appropiate, thus fine
Station "VIL" has the same as adressed in 3.0, look at "MIN" next to it how I mean I like it (4.0)

Done

British Rail:
4 terr, 1 def, 2 cont => Bonus of 2, thus good
I can't but wonder that "GLW" station is wider in size then "EDB" or is it my eyes?

GLW is same width as EDB...done.

Trentitalia:
5 terr, 3 def, 2 cont => Bonus of 3, but I agree with 2, thus fine
station "CBA" and "BSI" don't have that nifty color in there top as the rest of the 1 station, 1 line stations (5.0)
the name of "FLN" is slighty off to the left (5.1)

Done

Orient Exp 1919:
7 terr, 6 def, 8 cont => Bonus of 7, I say 7 is more then fine for that railway (6.0)

Done

Sim Orient Exp 1921:
9 terr, 9 def, 13 cont => Bonus of 10, I say atleast a bonus of 9 (7.0)

Done

Ven-Sim Orient Exp:

6 terr, 6 def, 8 cont => Bonus of 7, I agree, this will be a fought over railway[/quote]
Done

Train Grande Vitesse:
4 terr, 4 def, 9 cont => Bonus of 5 but I say make it a bonus of 3! yes 3, explaination is at the bottom of post (8.0)
I'll meet you halfway and make it bonus of four.

Rail Iberia:
7 terr, 2 def, 1 cont => Bonus of 3, seems failrly nice
Done

EuroCity 174-175:
terr 7, def 6, cont 7 => Bonus of 7, I say a bonus of 6 shall be sufficient for it (9.0)
"PRG" station, you switch colors between the color behind the name and on the sides. (9.1)

Done

Scandanavian Rail:
7 terr, 2 def, 3 cont => Bonus of 3, but I agree on the 2
"HAM" station doesn't has the color of Scandanavian Rail behinds its name (10.0)

Done

Trans Europe Exp:
7 terr, 6 def, 10 cont => Bonus of 7, thus good
Good

Ukraine Express:
6 terr, 3 def, 5 cont => Bonus of 4, make it 4, seeing you only need to defend 3 stations anyway. (11.0)
Good

Iceberg Express:
5 terr, 5 def, 8 cont => Bonus of 6, thus good
Why on earth is it called "Iceberg Express"? it links London (LON) - Brussels (BRU) - Keulen (KLN) - Luzern? (LUS) - Paris (PAR), thus why not calling it the Thalys or if a more wider term, HST as in "High Speed Trains" which run between those city's

I got it out one of the schedules, but can't find it again now. It also goes up to the Alps but there is not enough room to put that alps terr in for Switzerland. LUS is Lausanne in France. WE can look at that one again later.

(8.0): if you hold the TGV's Paris station and NCE station, you have both TGV + Rail Iberia, thus don't overgo on the bonus of those 2, hends I wish TGV = 3

I'd still like to stick with 4 for TGV, as Nice is part of the TGV. And i think you will have a hard time keepoing those continents if you manage to get them.

Thanks for the preview and all the fixes. :) Fixes made in the version 6 below

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Postby cairnswk on Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:17 pm

unriggable wrote:Why does turkey overlap the legend when there are no stations there?


Having no stations there is irrelevant unriggable.
This is simply a art-design feature that i have included for this map, and provides a good placeholder for my sig, :)
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Postby onbekende on Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:51 pm

now a more stupid idea but heck, why not

you got those nifty clocks there now, why not use them?

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LIS-LON-BMH-EDB-GLW set to 3 o clock (already)
rest to 4 o clock
HSL-KLG-VIL-MIN-LVV-KEV-ODS-BUC-SOF-ISL-ATH set to 5 o clock
SPG-MOW set to 6 o clock

althout this may be relevant, you can make the biggest bunch 3 o clock (unchainging) and adjust accordingly
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Postby casper on Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:28 am

Personally I think there are too many clocks. Kind of distracting. Maybe put clocks on only major stations just like you did with the USA Rail map (which needs to be quenched!). Again, another great map shaping up here.
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Postby cairnswk on Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:40 am

onbekende wrote:now a more stupid idea but heck, why not

you got those nifty clocks there now, why not use them?

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LIS-LON-BMH-EDB-GLW set to 3 o clock (already)
rest to 4 o clock
HSL-KLG-VIL-MIN-LVV-KEV-ODS-BUC-SOF-ISL-ATH set to 5 o clock
SPG-MOW set to 6 o clock

althout this may be relevant, you can make the biggest bunch 3 o clock (unchainging) and adjust accordingly


Thanks for the suggestion onbekende.
I am going to see if i can put the timetables up on the clocks to some degree.....later
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Postby cairnswk on Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:42 am

casper wrote:Personally I think there are too many clocks. Kind of distracting. Maybe put clocks on only major stations just like you did with the USA Rail map (which needs to be quenched!). Again, another great map shaping up here.

Thanks for the great maps comment casper.

Do you think that also...i looked at that this morning and thought there was a lot of clocks.

I'd prefer this map to have some differences from the USA RAIL....what do others think....are there too many clocks, and if so, should they only go on terminals with more that one station?
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Postby Gnome on Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:49 am

the clocks don't really bother me...maybe you can make them a little transparent...But for me you don't have to take them away, and I like the idea of the timetable...Some will never notice this detail but others will tell you that your a great mapper with an eye for detail :wink:
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Postby cairnswk on Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:02 am

Gnome wrote:the clocks don't really bother me...maybe you can make them a little transparent...But for me you don't have to take them away, and I like the idea of the timetable...Some will never notice this detail but others will tell you that your a great mapper with an eye for detail :wink:
OK...i'll see what happens....thanks gnome
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