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Postby Frigidus on Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:30 pm

Considering you get +5 with only 1 border at New York, I'd have to go for there. Of course the South-West is tempting too.
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Postby Elijah S on Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:42 pm

Unit_2 wrote:
Coleman wrote:
Unit_2 wrote:you really need to make the other states worth a bonus
disagree, he really doesn't.


why? if you start out with all your armys over there it is goign to be unfair to you and you will proble lose, also how is it fair to treat the free states? you NEED to make it a bonus. its really no question..


I think it's the luck of the drop, just as in every other game... How about when you start a classic game and already own all of Oceania or S.A. while someone else has troops spread out across the board?
They were neutral during the war, and it was determined quite a ways back in this thread that neutrals shouldn't gain a bonus...
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Postby Evil Pope on Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:32 pm

First of all, I think this map is pretty nice. Some souther borders, like between Texas and Indian Territry, are a bit pixelated. But otherwise, I like it.
And I see Lincoln is in there, up in the northern states. What about adding Jefferson Davis in the south? Just an idea, to me it seems like it should be there....But thats just me.
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Postby Elijah S on Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:56 am

Evil Pope wrote:First of all, I think this map is pretty nice. Some souther borders, like between Texas and Indian Territry, are a bit pixelated. But otherwise, I like it.
And I see Lincoln is in there, up in the northern states. What about adding Jefferson Davis in the south? Just an idea, to me it seems like it should be there....But thats just me.


When I first put the Lincoln image in this I thought about putting in a Jefferson Davis image too...
Not wanting to overkill the map with graphics, I chose not to, but...
I played with one of the few available pics of Davis and decided maybe this would be worthy of a poll...
The image is below and I'll start a poll within the next couple days. -Elijah

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Postby Jesse710 on Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:50 am

Canada was in that war too you know! What about the Fenians?

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Postby yamahafazer on Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:53 am

Elijah S wrote:
Unit_2 wrote:
Coleman wrote:
Unit_2 wrote:you really need to make the other states worth a bonus
disagree, he really doesn't.


why? if you start out with all your armys over there it is goign to be unfair to you and you will proble lose, also how is it fair to treat the free states? you NEED to make it a bonus. its really no question..


I think it's the luck of the drop, just as in every other game... How about when you start a classic game and already own all of Oceania or S.A. while someone else has troops spread out across the board?
They were neutral during the war, and it was determined quite a ways back in this thread that neutrals shouldn't gain a bonus...


I would have to go wiht Elijah here. If this is ment to be a representation of the real battle then you cant have the neutral states giving bonuses... and anyway it adds spice to the game.
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Postby yamahafazer on Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:54 am

Elijah S wrote:
Evil Pope wrote:First of all, I think this map is pretty nice. Some souther borders, like between Texas and Indian Territry, are a bit pixelated. But otherwise, I like it.
And I see Lincoln is in there, up in the northern states. What about adding Jefferson Davis in the south? Just an idea, to me it seems like it should be there....But thats just me.


When I first put the Lincoln image in this I thought about putting in a Jefferson Davis image too...
Not wanting to overkill the map with graphics, I chose not to, but...
I played with one of the few available pics of Davis and decided maybe this would be worthy of a poll...
The image is below and I'll start a poll within the next couple days. -Elijah

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It doesn't seem to over do it to me...
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Postby Coleman on Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:52 pm

You're a General in the American Civil War! Would you try to command the forces of the Union or Confederacy?
  • A) I'd try to gain a solid foothold in the North and head South! - 59% - [ 13 ]
  • B) I'd take charge of a Southern army and go North! - 40% - [ 9 ]
Total Votes : 22
Warning: You may be reading a really old topic.
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Postby soundout9 on Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:53 pm

LOVE THIS MAP CANT WAIT TILL PLAY!!!! keep up the good work
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Postby Dancingmustard1 on Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:54 pm

Keep going with this!!! I hope i can play this one day
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Postby Elijah S on Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:41 pm

Jesse710 wrote:Canada was in that war too you know! What about the Fenians?

LOL


This really did make me LOL... too fricken funny!

Thanks for the compliments Coleman, cairnswk, Dancingmustard1 and soundout9.
With the kind of support shown recently I'm hoping we'll all get to play this board in the near future!
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Postby kiamors on Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:25 pm

I think that the davis image balances out the map. besides, they aren't to obvious anyways, I had to look for a secnd before I found lincoln, and then a while longer before I found davis. I look forward to playing this map.
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Postby Qwert on Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:07 pm

First question-its these map historical acurate?
question 1-Why you have so many diferent text fonts and sizes?
question2-why Florida is cut in half?
question3-what these numbers present -CSS2,USS3 and others?

I think that best font for these map is letter what use in America in these time,these will be full score.
Also yours borders is not same in all places.
Bonus Box-must be much much better,now its look very low visualy.
Some object have shadow and some dont(example Army shadows)
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Postby Elijah S on Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:55 pm

qwert wrote:First question-its these map historical acurate?
question 1-Why you have so many diferent text fonts and sizes?
question2-why Florida is cut in half?
question3-what these numbers present -CSS2,USS3 and others?

I think that best font for these map is letter what use in America in these time,these will be full score.
Also yours borders is not same in all places.
Bonus Box-must be much much better,now its look very low visualy.
Some object have shadow and some dont(example Army shadows)


Qwert-
-Yes, this map is historically accurate, with the exception that 2 very small states were left out. It's an accurate geopolitical map of the U.S. during the era depicted. (this was addressed earlier in this thread)
-I used 3 different fonts in total. -The Union states and their corresponding items in the legend are one font; the Confederate states and their items in the legend are another; and the neutral territories are the third.
-The Florida peninsula was cut to provide ample free space and didn't really add anything to the map or gameplay. -Several of the western states were also cut from being complete.
-CSS1 = Confederate States Ship #1
-USS1 = United States Ship #1
-The borders look pretty consistent to me.
-The Legend is straightforward and legible.

It's not that I've been unyielding in this project. -Most of the improvements during the development of this map have come from suggestions that I felt were well-founded with good intention.
This seemed more like suggestions on how I can make my map look like a Qwert map though, and I have no intention of doing that.
Thanks for the input anyway though. -Elijah
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Postby Elijah S on Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:14 pm

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Noteable changes in this version:
-The shadows behind the army circles in the blue territories have been removed.
-Chamberlain and Grant have switched places in the legend to make it more symetrical.
-All bonus value numbers have been made one font and size.
-The bonuses for holding all Union States or all Confederate States have been increased. -This should encourage players to try to gain the entire North or South and contribute to thematic gameplay.
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Postby Suzy1 on Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:54 am

You keep making this map even better. You have had some good advice from some of the moderators and have used it wisely. You have really turned this map into a battle between the North and the South. I have been studying it and already trying to strategize the way I would play it. I am so anxious to see it move to Final Forge. I know you are so excited to see how greatly this has come along. Excellent job, Elijah... :wink:
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Postby reverend_kyle on Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:54 am

Put something behind the legend. I'm not sure if it's been discussed but it REALLY needs it.
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Postby yamahafazer on Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:33 am

Might it be a little unbalanced to have the Union States giving a bonus of 8 and the Conf. States only giving 5.... the Conf. States get less as it is.

Yes the Conf. States can get the Navys much more easily but the south side still ends up 3 armys done per turn.

It's just somthing I noticed... it dosen't meen it needs changing if others don't think it needs it
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Postby asl80 on Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:52 am

On the Legend:
The "Grant" and the "5" seem different shades of green
Also; if your going for symmetry, maybe switch"Key Southern Cities" with "Confederate Navy", or the reverse for the north.
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Postby Elijah S on Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:54 am

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Notable changes:
-First of all, a border has been placed around the legend.
This was one of the most frequently brought up issues and, while I don't think it really makes a huge difference, I finally relented.
-The "Confederate Navy and Key Southern Cities" in the legend have been switched.
-The green in the "5" now matches the green in "Grant".

The bonuses for holding all Union States and for holding all Confederate States seems to work for me; I think they're proportionate to the number of states you have to hold. -There's a lot more Union States than Confederate States, hence the bonus is higher.

These changes were all prompted by the most recent input. -Elijah
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Postby Aerial Attack on Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:33 pm

I really like what you've done with the map.

You indicated that you added the attack path from Maryland (Annapolis) to USS4 so that a Northern General could control the Yankee Navy.

In order for this to hold true - the North shipyard (New York? or Maryland?) should be able to one way attack all Union ships. And the South shipyard (S. Carolina? or Virginia?) be able to one way attack all Confederate ships. Or maybe the Confederate Navy wasn't as organized?

I realize that this could suddenly make those States/Cities much more valuable as they also effectively control each Navy.
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Postby reverend_kyle on Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:24 pm

why does the ocean randomly end?
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Postby Unit_2 on Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:34 pm

Elijah S, can you PLEASE change the color of the Sherman states? it is really a bad color.
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Postby Elijah S on Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:42 pm

Aerial-
I kindof like your idea about the fleet being controlled via 1-way attacks from Maryland... I'll see what I can do.

Reverend... the ocean doesn't just end, if you look closer you'll see simulated waves in the black area below. I think this gives it some depth, rather than just a flat 2-dimensional board.

Unit... I like the colors and unless this is something that others comment on, it will stay the same.
In fact, I DID tone down the blue after one of your earlier pleadings.
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Postby Qwert on Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:18 pm

Qwert-
-Yes, this map is historically accurate

These is good,now you can try to find real names for ship,instead these i belive not real names.
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