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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:15 pm

[quote="hulmey"]congrats mate, i would like to see you concentrate on a map which is more geared towards graphics rather than interesting gameplay![/quote]
Thanks hulmey...got any examples to throw food in my brain! What you've stated is a bit broad.
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby Natewolfman on Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:57 pm

"Tobruk Trilogy" What is this? do you have 2 other maps sort of linked to this one? (sorry if this was explained earlier lol)
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:47 am

[quote="Natewolfman"]"Tobruk Trilogy" What is this? do you have 2 other maps sort of linked to this one? (sorry if this was explained earlier lol)[/quote]

Yes natewolfman....there will later be another two maps in the trilogy on tobruk....the desert rats, and el amein....they all have to do with the attempted conquering of tobruk by the rommel, the successful conquer of tobruk by rommel and the pushback from el amein by the Allies to re-capture Tobruk.
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby Natewolfman on Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:46 am

[quote="cairnswk"][quote="Natewolfman"]"Tobruk Trilogy" What is this? do you have 2 other maps sort of linked to this one? (sorry if this was explained earlier lol)[/quote]

Yes natewolfman....there will later be another two maps in the trilogy on tobruk....the desert rats, and el amein....they all have to do with the attempted conquering of tobruk by the rommel, the successful conquer of tobruk by rommel and the pushback from el amein by the Allies to re-capture Tobruk.[/quote]
ahh, so they will be basically the same maps, ubt different periods of time? (which would actually make it completely different maps since its all military possition lol) that would be cool, im excited for this one to start to try it out ;) nice map
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:41 am

[quote="Natewolfman"][quote="cairnswk"][quote="Natewolfman"]"Tobruk Trilogy" What is this? do you have 2 other maps sort of linked to this one? (sorry if this was explained earlier lol)[/quote]

Yes natewolfman....there will later be another two maps in the trilogy on tobruk....the desert rats, and el amein....they all have to do with the attempted conquering of tobruk by the rommel, the successful conquer of tobruk by rommel and the pushback from el amein by the Allies to re-capture Tobruk.[/quote]

ahh, so they will be basically the same maps, ubt different periods of time? (which would actually make it completely different maps since its all military possition lol) that would be cool, im excited for this one to start to try it out ;) nice map[/quote]

no....1st battle involves territory west of this gazala map, last battle of el amein involves territory east of this map.
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby BENJIKAT IS DEAD on Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:23 pm

Another wonderful map cairnswk!!!

Found some problems with the XML though:

Many of the 21st Panzers are in the wrong place, or have the wrong names and connections - roll over in BOB and you'll easily see.

This is only a problem for the small map (which I always use - yes even for Waterloo)


EDIT: investigating further, just a few of the small map co-ordinates need swapping around:


F is currently at C
G is at D
C is at E
D is at F
E is at G

small map only
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby JO Dynasty on Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:33 pm

the panzers are not in the right places, or they are labeled wrong....something. kinda confusing.
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:53 am

[quote="BENJIKAT IS DEAD"]Another wonderful map cairnswk!!!

Found some problems with the XML though:

Many of the 21st Panzers are in the wrong place, or have the wrong names and connections - roll over in BOB and you'll easily see.

This is only a problem for the small map (which I always use - yes even for Waterloo)


EDIT: investigating further, just a few of the small map co-ordinates need swapping around:


F is currently at C
G is at D
C is at E
D is at F
E is at G

small map only[/quote]

Benjikat, thanks for that pickup.

I have PMed lackattack the new xml file.
I had originally set the coordinates and the graphics letters were in a different place.
Because this is a time-consuming job opening javascipt and going through each tert, i got lazy and forgot to check them again after swapping the graphic letters. :-(

http://h1.ripway.com/cairnswk/WWII_Gazala_090804.xml
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:35 pm

XML has been fixed and uploaded.
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby BENJIKAT IS DEAD on Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:56 pm

[quote="cairnswk"]XML has been fixed and uploaded.[/quote]

great!!

btw I'm 14-0 and counting already :)
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:40 pm

[quote="BENJIKAT IS DEAD"][quote="cairnswk"]XML has been fixed and uploaded.[/quote]

great!!

btw I'm 14-0 and counting already :)[/quote]

so spread the word.....is it an easy map?

Oh and PM me with your secrets of success please. :-)
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby Suzy1 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:42 pm

Another great map by you cairns, I really enjoy your maps!
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:57 pm

Suzy1 wrote:Another great map by you cairns, I really enjoy your maps!

Wow, thanks Suzy1. Can i ask you to spread your joy to playing friends.... :)
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:58 pm

BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:
cairnswk wrote:XML has been fixed and uploaded.


great!!

btw I'm 14-0 and counting already :)


i wonder how many he's up to now???
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby BENJIKAT IS DEAD on Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:49 am

cairnswk wrote:
BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:
cairnswk wrote:XML has been fixed and uploaded.


great!!

btw I'm 14-0 and counting already :)


so spread the word.....is it an easy map?

Oh and PM me with your secrets of success please. :-)


I'm 33-4 now (all foggy 1v1s). Due to the smaller number of starting territories and the difficulty of getting at some of the bonuses, it is much harder winning from second than it is on Waterloo. In particular I am not a fan of thew Free French at all, and think that any single territory bonuses should start neutral. Most the games are won with the +4 for The Cauldron.

You'll be pleased to know that I did win one game from behind by pulling off both Rommel and Panzerarmee on the same turn (remember the fog).

It is not an easy map at all, but mainly because there are a number of different things going on - one-way, bombardments etc.

BTW - there are a couple of quirks of the design that i think could do with attention (I know I didn't say anything earlier, but I couldn't play it earlier - roll on the playtest area):

1) For the first few games I kept on thinking that Italian 1/10 and Italian 2/10 connect - the 2 roads either need to join to GL4 seperately, or you could make them connect in the XML

2) A way of making ther Free French a little easier to hit would be to add a second one-way attack from Panzerarmee B - that way if you get a drop on either branch of the Panzerarmee then you can reach it

Obv this is only based on 1v1 fog, we shall have to wait to see what standard games are like.
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby greenoaks on Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:18 am

on the tanks E, & P there are cyan coloured mortar shells but i can't find the cyan mortar to attack those two sites from. can someone give me directions ?
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby yeti_c on Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:20 am

greenoaks wrote:on the tanks p & q there are cyan coloured mortar shells but i can't find the cyan mortars to attack those two sites from. can someone give me directions ?


British 7th brigade...

The mortar just to the left of those 2 tanks.

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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby greenoaks on Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:24 am

yeti_c wrote:
greenoaks wrote:on the tanks p & q there are cyan coloured mortar shells but i can't find the cyan mortars to attack those two sites from. can someone give me directions ?


British 7th brigade...

The mortar just to the left of those 2 tanks.

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thanks yeti but that is a green mortar. i want the cyan one.
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby yeti_c on Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:26 am

greenoaks wrote:
yeti_c wrote:
greenoaks wrote:on the tanks p & q there are cyan coloured mortar shells but i can't find the cyan mortars to attack those two sites from. can someone give me directions ?


British 7th brigade...

The mortar just to the left of those 2 tanks.

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thanks yeti but that is a green mortar. i want the cyan one.


No no - that is the Cyan one...

There are only 4 (I think) Red Blue Yellow & Cyan(/green)

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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby greenoaks on Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:00 am

i can see 4 mortars but they are Red, Yellow, Blue & Green. no Cyan

if you look at Game 2198055 at tank E, cyan has two armies on it, which is the same colour as one of the shells at E. also there is a clear difference in colour between the shell on the right at E and the one directly above it at F (which is green)

in Game 2198944 at tank P Cyan has 2 armies which is the same colour as the shell at P. the colour of that shell matches the one at E, not the ones at F or K.

i also think tank Q is a Cyan coloured shell.

so is this a bug regarding colour. or
is red suppose to bombard 2 places,
blue is suppose to bombard 3 places,
yellow is suppose to bombard 4 places,
& green is suppose to bombard 5
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby yeti_c on Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:26 am

greenoaks wrote:is red suppose to bombard 2 places,
blue is suppose to bombard 3 places,
yellow is suppose to bombard 4 places,
& green is suppose to bombard 5


Red = 3
Blue = 4
Yellow = 4
Green/Cyan = 5

I do agree tho - the mortar itself seems to be a slightly different colour to the shells... you'll have to wait til Cairns comes back to explain why!!

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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:18 am

greenoaks wrote:i can see 4 mortars but they are Red, Yellow, Blue & Green. no Cyan

if you look at Game 2198055 at tank E, cyan has two armies on it, which is the same colour as one of the shells at E.

There is no correlation between the army colours and the shell/mortar colours, which i guess is what you;re examining here.
also there is a clear difference in colour between the shell on the right at E and the one directly above it at F (which is green)
actually there is no difference...they are both #35D786, i believe the colour difference is originating from the combination of neighbouring colours next door to these two shells.

in Game 2198944 at tank P Cyan has 2 armies which is the same colour as the shell at P. the colour of that shell matches the one at E, not the ones at F or K.

All of these shells are #35D786, forget trying to match these colours with the army colour as they are not the same. It is the mortar at British 7th M. Brigade that is a different colour being #00CC66 which i don't see as begin a problem since it is so close to the shells colours anyway, but will upload a correction image for both l&s maps.

i also think tank Q is a Cyan coloured shell.
no, its the same as it's siblings.

so is this a bug regarding colour. or
bug, if you want to call one poofteenth of a difference a problem. since the xml is correct, then i see no issue.
is red suppose to bombard 2 places,
red bombard 3 places. j,o,p (xml correct)
blue is suppose to bombard 3 places,
blue bombards 4 places, b,d,e,j (xml correct)
yellow is suppose to bombard 4 places,
yellow bombards 4 places, f,g,k,l (xml correct)
& green is suppose to bombard 5
green bombards 5 places e,f,k,p,q.(xml correct)


hi lackattack,
someone has picked up a poofteenth of a colour difference in the mortar to shell colours...here are the corrects for S & L...
if you'd be so kind to upload.
Thanks
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282 ... laV27S.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282 ... laV27L.jpg

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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby greenoaks on Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:47 pm

i wasn't trying to cause trouble cairns. i have spent the last 2 days trying to find the corresponding mortar, running my finger methodically up and down that map to cover every inch of it, squinting, leaning up close to the screen & then doing all that again on the next map. i just could not work out how i was missing it every single time.

i have noticed that colour on every map i have played regardless of what colour army is beside it, including the neutral question marks. the 2 games i provided links to were to show yeti they looked cyan not green like the mortar or the shells at F or K.

i am currently in or have completed 14, while awaiting players in another 9 because this is currently my favourite map. great map, well done. =D>
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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby yeti_c on Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:12 pm

greenoaks wrote:i wasn't trying to cause trouble cairns. i have spent the last 2 days trying to find the corresponding mortar, running my finger methodically up and down that map to cover every inch of it, squinting, leaning up close to the screen & then doing all that again on the next map. i just could not work out how i was missing it every single time.

i have noticed that colour on every map i have played regardless of what colour army is beside it, including the neutral question marks. the 2 games i provided links to were to show yeti they looked cyan not green like the mortar or the shells at F or K.

i am currently in or have completed 14, while awaiting players in another 9 because this is currently my favourite map. great map, well done. =D>


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Re: WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:20 pm

greenoaks wrote:i wasn't trying to cause trouble cairns.

I don't beleive you were trying to cause trouble either, just wanting clarification on you saw as an issue.
This is why it is very important, and i know ytou are already participating, that as many people as possible give feedback to maps to ensure they go live correct.

i have spent the last 2 days trying to find the corresponding mortar, running my finger methodically up and down that map to cover every inch of it, squinting, leaning up close to the screen & then doing all that again on the next map. i just could not work out how i was missing it every single time.

i have noticed that colour on every map i have played regardless of what colour army is beside it, including the neutral question marks. the 2 games i provided links to were to show yeti they looked cyan not green like the mortar or the shells at F or K.

i am currently in or have completed 14, while awaiting players in another 9 because this is currently my favourite map. great map, well done. =D>

Do you not use BOB, or take notice of what the xml drop lists tell you?
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