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Postby mibi on Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:53 pm

What about Bugsy Siegal?
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Postby cairnswk on Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:04 pm

mibi wrote:What about Bugsy Siegal?


1. This era?
2. What outfit?
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Postby cairnswk on Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:05 pm

Version 2.

Changes:

1. Colour changes as requested
2. Beginnings of new connectors...note indentations in city blocks for the connections.
3. Altering of Capone Terts.

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Postby cairnswk on Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:11 pm

cairnswk wrote:
mibi wrote:What about Bugsy Siegal?


1. This era?
2. What outfit?


Wiki says he was only an associate....and made more of name for himself in California and Las Vegas, later in 1947?
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Postby mibi on Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:17 pm

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mibi wrote:What about Bugsy Siegal?


1. This era?
2. What outfit?


Wiki says he was only an associate....and made more of name for himself in California and Las Vegas, later in 1947?


Mickey Cohen was Bugsy's leutentant and back by the Chicago Outfit. Cohen took over after Bugsy was... wacked.
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Postby cairnswk on Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:50 pm

mibi wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
mibi wrote:What about Bugsy Siegal?


1. This era?
2. What outfit?


Wiki says he was only an associate....and made more of name for himself in California and Las Vegas, later in 1947?


Mickey Cohen was Bugsy's leutentant and back by the Chicago Outfit. Cohen took over after Bugsy was... wacked.


I am reluctant to put him in, because he had more of a Brooklyn connection. However, if you insist, who do we take out to replace him with.
I really don't think he had as big a role in Chicago as the other.
Can you point to your references to convince me, mibi.
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Postby edbeard on Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:55 pm

Maybe instead of just the Chicago connection, you make it into the east chicago and west chicago connections.

Right now it is 20 territories. Who the hell is going to hold all of that?

10 and 10 makes sense to me.

10 happens to be the number of grey territories west and east of that road
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Postby cairnswk on Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:58 pm

edbeard wrote:Maybe instead of just the Chicago connection, you make it into the east chicago and west chicago connections.

Right now it is 20 territories. Who the hell is going to hold all of that?

10 and 10 makes sense to me.

10 happens to be the number of grey territories west and east of that road


Yeah....that works for me edbeard....good suggestion!...providing there is no other objections to it.
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Postby edbeard on Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:07 pm

oh. another thing I was thinking about....


what if you held the majority of Leaders for a certain gang and you get a bonus.

Maybe for the chicago mafia it would be quite small +1 since it's only two territories, but that could be something.

you'd need 3 for the purple, 4 for the pinkish etc...
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Postby cairnswk on Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:10 pm

edbeard wrote:oh. another thing I was thinking about....


what if you held the majority of Leaders for a certain gang and you get a bonus.

Maybe for the chicago mafia it would be quite small +1 since it's only two territories, but that could be something.

you'd need 3 for the purple, 4 for the pinkish etc...


are you talking about say 2 out of 4 best of + 2 situation?
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Postby edbeard on Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:15 pm

well for the northside gang, there are four leaders. if I hold any three of them I get a +2


there are six leaders in the prohibition gang so I hold any four of them to get a +3


You'd need to take those into account when you're calculating the bonus for holding the entire region though.
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Postby cairnswk on Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:20 pm

edbeard wrote:well for the northside gang, there are four leaders. if I hold any three of them I get a +2


there are six leaders in the prohibition gang so I hold any four of them to get a +3


You'd need to take those into account when you're calculating the bonus for holding the entire region though.


OK...i understand.
I will consider this, although i alreadfy thought there were enough bonuses with the other situations re the giggle jiuce trucks etc.

and another thing i just thought of....if you only had 3 out of 4 as a bonus, would that amount to disployhalty in the gangs, therefore a bonus would be a whack on the head rather than encourage to gather more associates.

Just a though???!!!
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:24 am

Version 3.

Changes:
1. Lots of colour changes.
2. Some Streets get pavements (not finished yet)
3. Attack lines (dots) given docking bays.
4. Change of fonts on text
5. Bugsy Siegel added to Ch. Outfit East.

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Postby cairnswk on Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:05 am

Version 4....

Changes:
1. Finshed pavements
2. Finished connections between terts and docks
3. Added "suggested" bonuses - up for discussion.

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Postby cairnswk on Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:44 pm

Feedback??
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Postby Coleman on Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:46 pm

Probably not here, lets discuss bonuses in Main Foundry.
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Postby cairnswk on Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:03 pm

Coleman wrote:Probably not here, lets discuss bonuses in Main Foundry.

Thanks Coleman :)

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Postby Incandenza on Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:48 am

It's a little weird that abstract concepts/events like lie detector and St. Valentine's Day Massacre are lumped in with what appear to be continent bonuses...

Otherwise, this map tremendously interests me. Not to put to fine a point on it, but I think that open-ended maps like these are better than directed-play maps like gazala... but that's just my 0.02$.

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Postby Coleman on Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:49 am

One thing I'd like to point out from playing American Civil War is that continents that are not contiguous (have all territories bordering without other stuff in-between) are incredibly awkward feeling.

I'm not saying they are bad, they just take more getting used to then you might expect.

Saying that, I am not sure how the gangster attacking all gangsters aspect of this map would change or diminish that awkwardness, but it's worth mentioning I think.
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Postby cairnswk on Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:14 am

Incandenza wrote:It's a little weird that abstract concepts/events like lie detector and St. Valentine's Day Massacre are lumped in with what appear to be continent bonuses...

I put the Lie Detector in to beef up the continent.
SVDM was added because it was one of the most sensational of its time...Ref Wiki:
November 10, 1924 - North Side Gang leader Dion "Deanie" O'Banion is killed when three unidentified men enter his flower shop and shoot him several times. This begins a five year gang war between the North Side Gang, under Hymie Weiss, against Al Capone's Chicago Outfit that would end with the St. Valentine's Day Massacre in 1929.

"I chink sey both fit very well." *puffing his big fat Havana*

Otherwise, this map tremendously interests me. Not to put to fine a point on it, but I think that open-ended maps like these are better than directed-play maps like gazala... but that's just my 0.02$.

Gazala needs to have it's place in history, just like this one.
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Postby Incandenza on Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:21 am

Nyah, see, if you don't make this map better, you'll be sleepin with the fishes, see? :lol:
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Postby cairnswk on Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:21 am

Coleman wrote:One thing I'd like to point out from playing American Civil War is that continents that are not contiguous (have all territories bordering without other stuff in-between) are incredibly awkward feeling.

"U know Mr Coleman, dat seems to be my maps all over, deys all like dat!"

I'm not saying they are bad, they just take more getting used to then you might expect.

"I chuld hope not, I might jus have to get the Fellas to come after you"

Saying that, I am not sure how the gangster attacking all gangsters aspect of this map would change or diminish that awkwardness, but it's worth mentioning I think.

"Mmmm....I'd be careful how you go mentioning tings in deez parts, the Fellas might still get upset if dey knew u was dishing on dem. But then I'm not gonna stop you from having some Free Speech...afterall.....

This is America!"
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Postby cairnswk on Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:24 am

Incandenza wrote:Nyah, see, if you don't make this map better, you'll be sleepin with the fishes, see? :lol:


That'll be a joke...some people's already got me sleeping with the fishes...with a chunk of cement weighing me down.... :lol:
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Postby Herakilla on Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:23 am

ims shoot down those planes so you can get some boat and i dont give a rip if they were on the map you got it from!
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Postby casper on Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:01 pm

My hometown! Nice. Just a few suggestions. The parks look too aqua. Can you make them greener? :) And the Canadian planes. I see them on the 1931 map you are basing this on, but the planes could never land on the lakeshore like you have them. There was no airport on the lakeshore until Meigs Field opened in 1948 (and later demolished by Mayor Daley in 2003).

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http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/c ... 26-T5.html
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory. ... /1768.html
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