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Postby Coleman on Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:46 pm

Probably not here, lets discuss bonuses in Main Foundry.
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Postby cairnswk on Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:03 pm

Coleman wrote:Probably not here, lets discuss bonuses in Main Foundry.

Thanks Coleman :)

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Postby Incandenza on Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:48 am

It's a little weird that abstract concepts/events like lie detector and St. Valentine's Day Massacre are lumped in with what appear to be continent bonuses...

Otherwise, this map tremendously interests me. Not to put to fine a point on it, but I think that open-ended maps like these are better than directed-play maps like gazala... but that's just my 0.02$.

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Postby Coleman on Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:49 am

One thing I'd like to point out from playing American Civil War is that continents that are not contiguous (have all territories bordering without other stuff in-between) are incredibly awkward feeling.

I'm not saying they are bad, they just take more getting used to then you might expect.

Saying that, I am not sure how the gangster attacking all gangsters aspect of this map would change or diminish that awkwardness, but it's worth mentioning I think.
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Postby cairnswk on Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:14 am

Incandenza wrote:It's a little weird that abstract concepts/events like lie detector and St. Valentine's Day Massacre are lumped in with what appear to be continent bonuses...

I put the Lie Detector in to beef up the continent.
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November 10, 1924 - North Side Gang leader Dion "Deanie" O'Banion is killed when three unidentified men enter his flower shop and shoot him several times. This begins a five year gang war between the North Side Gang, under Hymie Weiss, against Al Capone's Chicago Outfit that would end with the St. Valentine's Day Massacre in 1929.

"I chink sey both fit very well." *puffing his big fat Havana*

Otherwise, this map tremendously interests me. Not to put to fine a point on it, but I think that open-ended maps like these are better than directed-play maps like gazala... but that's just my 0.02$.

Gazala needs to have it's place in history, just like this one.
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Postby Incandenza on Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:21 am

Nyah, see, if you don't make this map better, you'll be sleepin with the fishes, see? :lol:
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Postby cairnswk on Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:21 am

Coleman wrote:One thing I'd like to point out from playing American Civil War is that continents that are not contiguous (have all territories bordering without other stuff in-between) are incredibly awkward feeling.

"U know Mr Coleman, dat seems to be my maps all over, deys all like dat!"

I'm not saying they are bad, they just take more getting used to then you might expect.

"I chuld hope not, I might jus have to get the Fellas to come after you"

Saying that, I am not sure how the gangster attacking all gangsters aspect of this map would change or diminish that awkwardness, but it's worth mentioning I think.

"Mmmm....I'd be careful how you go mentioning tings in deez parts, the Fellas might still get upset if dey knew u was dishing on dem. But then I'm not gonna stop you from having some Free Speech...afterall.....

This is America!"
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Postby cairnswk on Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:24 am

Incandenza wrote:Nyah, see, if you don't make this map better, you'll be sleepin with the fishes, see? :lol:


That'll be a joke...some people's already got me sleeping with the fishes...with a chunk of cement weighing me down.... :lol:
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Postby Herakilla on Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:23 am

ims shoot down those planes so you can get some boat and i dont give a rip if they were on the map you got it from!
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Postby casper on Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:01 pm

My hometown! Nice. Just a few suggestions. The parks look too aqua. Can you make them greener? :) And the Canadian planes. I see them on the 1931 map you are basing this on, but the planes could never land on the lakeshore like you have them. There was no airport on the lakeshore until Meigs Field opened in 1948 (and later demolished by Mayor Daley in 2003).

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http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/c ... 26-T5.html
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory. ... /1768.html
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Postby cairnswk on Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:23 pm

casper wrote:My hometown! Nice. Just a few suggestions. The parks look too aqua. Can you make them greener? :) And the Canadian planes. I see them on the 1931 map you are basing this on, but the planes could never land on the lakeshore like you have them. There was no airport on the lakeshore until Meigs Field opened in 1948 (and later demolished by Mayor Daley in 2003).

Here are some more resources....

http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/c ... 26-T5.html
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory. ... /1768.html


Thanks Casper....appreciate those links, i had already seen them. :)

I think those Canadian planes might have been planes that dropped the cargo with floats in the Lake, and the cargo was later fished out. so i will add some boats there to make the more logical.

I would be interested to hear more from you re the placement of some of these terts...as you can appreciate i don't know the area myself and am only working from maps, so i hope this is at least roughly in place with appropriate terts. :)
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Postby casper on Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:25 pm

Also the 1931 map is not really geographically accurate at all. Little Italy and Little Sicily are not even close. Little Italy should be where "Mossie" Enright is. And Little Sicily where Deanie O'Bannion is.

Check it out on this map from http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/c ... 26-T5.html

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Little Italy is the circled area to the south and is actually still around.

But maybe geographic correctness doesn't even matter...so I dunno. Just pointing it out. If you need any help or advice just let me know.

Look forward to playing this. :)
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Postby Tieryn on Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:17 am

Question:

Is Mickey Cohen coloured wrong or Grouped wrong in the bonuses?
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Postby cairnswk on Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:17 am

Tieryn wrote:Question:

Is Mickey Cohen coloured wrong or Grouped wrong in the bonuses?


thanks for dropping in Tieryn.....no just included in the wrong section of bonuses that i changed the other day....thatnks for theat pickup, which i will attention in the next build.
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Postby Fireside Poet on Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:40 am

Dillinger? The Biograph? :)

Avalon Hill came out with a game long ago called Gangsters... here is some info if you want a few more ideas about look and feel:
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Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:34 am

Fireside Poet wrote:Dillinger? The Biograph? :)

Avalon Hill came out with a game long ago called Gangsters... here is some info if you want a few more ideas about look and feel:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/1471


Thanks Fireside Poet...i had a quick look at this board, it is very monopoly-like almost and seems a good game, however i am reluctant to "pinch" ideas from other game boards because of copyright.
I am sure there is something I can come up with that will makes this a somewhat different game. :)

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Postby Blitzaholic on Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:40 pm

yes, for sure
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Postby Herakilla on Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:14 pm

im setting up a flak gun and shooting those planes down

and you need the purple gang! they stole shipments from other gangs!
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Postby Coleman on Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:14 pm

The text is terrible cairnswk, my eyes threw a fit. I don't know what you effect you were going for but if it was blurry and illegible, you did it.

I'm fine with the text on the spaces (Although the l in Gus Alex is goofy and a few other letters like that) but the legend text is intolerable. And you couldn't even center those continent bonus numbers for us?

It's time to show this one some love. The other maps you have look better right now.
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Postby oaktown on Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:46 am

Hmm... my big concern is that right now nothing about this map says Chicago. Chicago in the early 20th Century was the city of the first great skyscrapers, but by making everything out of little horizontal boxes you've made the city very small and flat. This is the home of Frank Lloyd Wright, Van Der Rohe, and Burham's White City. Where is the grandeur of the gold coast, the Wrigley Building, and the magnificent mile?

Specific visual concerns: The Little Italy font is kinda clumsy; there should be something else that is easier to read and cleaner looking. The legend text is bad - very pixelated - and there is too much mixing of font styles... is this Art Deco Chicago, or Art Nouveau Paris? The planes look like they're made of balsa wood. And why is the river not the same color as the lake?
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Postby Incandenza on Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:03 am

The Outfit West is brutal.... the white text on light pink background is not a good combo.

Much of what else I had to say was said already (mostly by the remarkably prescient oaktown).
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:20 am

Coleman wrote:The text is terrible cairnswk, my eyes threw a fit. I don't know what you effect you were going for but if it was blurry and illegible, you did it.

I'm fine with the text on the spaces (Although the l in Gus Alex is goofy and a few other letters like that) but the legend text is intolerable. And you couldn't even center those continent bonus numbers for us?

It's time to show this one some love. The other maps you have look better right now.


Yes...thank-you Coleman for that resounding thrashing...i wonder what sort of pills you are on today....ones with barbs in them???

I can very well see that the text is not the best and i haven't done anything about it yet because i have been quite busy with family and new year and christmas.

Could you show me some love too, rather than throwing it all gimil's way.... :lol:
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:28 am

oaktown wrote:Hmm... my big concern is that right now nothing about this map says Chicago. Chicago in the early 20th Century was the city of the first great skyscrapers, but by making everything out of little horizontal boxes you've made the city very small and flat. This is the home of Frank Lloyd Wright, Van Der Rohe, and Burham's White City. Where is the grandeur of the gold coast, the Wrigley Building, and the magnificent mile?

Specific visual concerns: The Little Italy font is kinda clumsy; there should be something else that is easier to read and cleaner looking. The legend text is bad - very pixelated - and there is too much mixing of font styles... is this Art Deco Chicago, or Art Nouveau Paris? The planes look like they're made of balsa wood. And why is the river not the same color as the lake?


Yes....you too oaktown must have taken some nasty pills over xmas....i am very well aware that this can get a razzle from everyone but does it deserve after all it is only V4

But i am not trying to re-create Chicago in 3D living skyscaper colour. This is a version of classic risk style with some simple play, that everyone is asking for, so i have no intentions of making it into some fancy piece of artwork, although the art-deco style will be more my thing when i get it worked out.

I think you guys are simply barking up this tree the wrong way when i haven't had the time to make any real decent attemtps at it. so give it a break and have some patience....If the ideas when they come are liked it will get there. :twisted: but when i am ready to work on it. Right now i have some other things happneing in my life that i have to catch up on after spending so much time in the foundry in the last 9 months.
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:30 am

Incandenza wrote:The Outfit West is brutal.... the white text on light pink background is not a good combo.

Much of what else I had to say was said already (mostly by the remarkably prescient oaktown).


Gees, three of you on pills...what is happening....thanks Incadenza for that input... i will tkae it into account when i git around to doing this map again.
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Postby gimil on Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:16 am

cairnswk wrote:Could you show me some love too, rather than throwing it all gimil's way.... :lol:


I took a minute to realised what you ment :lol:

I was going to post a big piece of feedback for you, but ill hold off till the current concerns are met (mainly colemans thrashing :lol:) I dnt want to bring up any issues that you may be planning to work on :)
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