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by **onbekende** on Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:33 pm

lets hope I saw this right

Northside Gang: 7 terr, 6 def/att, 4 cont => Bonus of 6 (6 seems fine, noting that "Speakeasy" isn't attackable from another country)
Chicago Mafia Leaders: 7 terr, 4 def/att, 3 cont => Bonus of 5 (a more then fine bonus knowing only 4 terr need defence to keep this cnt)
Prohibition Gang: 8 terr, 8 def/att, 5 cont => Bonus of 8 (I prefer 8 over 7)
Racketters: 3 terr, 3 def/att, 3 cont => Bonus of 3 (more then enough, only 3 terr)
Ch. Outfit East: 10 terr, 8 def/att, 5 cont => Bonus of 9 (give it a 9, 8 is thou on the table!)
Ch. Outfit West: 10 terr, 8 def/att, 5 cont => Bonus of 9 (give it a 9, 8 is thou on the table!)
Canadians: 3 terr, 3 def/att, 2 cont => Bonus of 3 (note the 2 def needed to keep this cont)
All Giggle uice Trucks: 12 terr, 12 def/att, 8 cont => Bonus of 12 (6 is half!!!, way to low, if you get this bonus, you control most of map anyway, 10!)
All Utilities: 8 terr, 7 def/att, 7 cont => Bonus of 8 (as said, perhaps 7 to as "City Hall" can't be attacked from other terr except the cont terr itself)

thats it for now

by **cairnswk** on Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:40 pm

oaktown wrote:As you carry on the work on this map, I hope that you will keep in mind my comments about the map looking somewhat horizontal for a city which has long prided itself in being very vertical.

oaktown, just how does one achieve the impression of height on a flat overview map apart from doing a isometric or 3D map, which i do not want to do to. I want to keep this simple. This map is not about Chiacgo's tall buildings or that pride, it is about bloody racketteering and gangsters who shot it out in the streets. So forgive if i am at a loss as to your most bizzare request.

by **cairnswk** on Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:47 pm

Coleman wrote:The reason I'm being cruel is because I know you can take it and you are an excellent map maker. It's just right now this is well below what I typically expect to see this far in, which is frustrating because this is my favorite map of yours that you have going right now. (Not counting what is in Final Forge) I am just hoping for a visual update soon, and hoping you know where the big problems are, which it seems you do.

No, the reason you are being cruel is because you can. There is no need for it...whether or not i can take which sometimes i can't...requests can be put in a politer manner...and having now done some 6 or 7 maps one would think that I would know what issues a map has to be concerned with Coleman...after you viewed this map in new ideas and moved in here, you come back with these issues in a manner that i beleive was quite intolerable, and there is no need for it...so forgive me if you are not my biggest fan at present.

I think that U simply you had the shits with something and i copped the brunt of it, because you felt like being nasty. I am not impressed.

by **Coleman** on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:04 pm

Sorry you feel the way but I too find this exchange intolerable because this isn't a quality I expected this long after being out of Map Ideas and it's hard to control the rage associated with that annoyance in this case because I know you can do better.

Don't worry to much about it, it's likely you won't have to deal with me again until you have xml.

... The text is still completely illegible for me and where I can read it oddly spaced in several areas.

by **cairnswk** on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:12 pm

Coleman wrote:Sorry you feel the way but I too find this exchange intolerable because this isn't a quality I expected this long after being out of Map Ideas and it's hard to control the rage associated with that annoyance in this case because I know you can do better.

Don't worry to much about it, it's likely you won't have to deal with me again until you have xml.

Yes well, i think you should lower your expectations, because mapmakers can only ahcieve what they can, not what you want them to on your timeline. this is my map, my timeline coleman, there are no time contraints in here so come down off your high horse.

As for you staying away, there is no need for that, just a little humility would help in your messages.

by **Coleman** on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:16 pm

There'll be need and reason for it soon enough...

I'll be gentler from now on, and push comments back when your timeline is bothering me. I just like acting like my old self every once in a while and not being the mod, I sometimes forget that perception of me means I should be more reasonable.

... Can't you at least do something about the legend text real fast? Make it a different font or make it less blurry somehow?

by **cairnswk** on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:24 pm

Coleman wrote:There'll be need and reason for it soon enough...

I'll be gentler from now on, and push comments back when your timeline is bothering me.

... Can't you at least do something about the legend text real fast? Make it a different font or make it less blurry somehow?

I will try to do something on this map this weekend, and thank you. It is a much more pleasant experience when people are nice to each other without too much syrup or all the nasty bits, don't you think.

by **onbekende** on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:27 pm

/me puts plate with 2 cookies between cairnswk and Coleman

each eat 1, shake hands and be nice!

by **cairnswk** on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:32 pm

onbekende wrote:/me puts plate with 2 cookies between cairnswk and Coleman

each eat 1, shake hands and be nice!

Thankyou onbekende...are they choc cookies? :wink:

by **onbekende** on Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:56 pm

belgian finest chocolate cookies

by **Incandenza** on Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:01 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Incandenza wrote:The Outfit West is brutal.... the white text on light pink background is not a good combo.

Much of what else I had to say was said already (mostly by the remarkably prescient oaktown).

Gees, three of you on pills...what is happening....thanks Incadenza for that input... i will tkae it into account when i git around to doing this map again.

C'mon, you know I respect you. I apologize if that came off badly, or if I was piling on...

And now I want some cookies. :lol: