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Postby onbekende on Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:33 pm

lets hope I saw this right

Northside Gang: 7 terr, 6 def/att, 4 cont => Bonus of 6 (6 seems fine, noting that "Speakeasy" isn't attackable from another country)
Chicago Mafia Leaders: 7 terr, 4 def/att, 3 cont => Bonus of 5 (a more then fine bonus knowing only 4 terr need defence to keep this cnt)
Prohibition Gang: 8 terr, 8 def/att, 5 cont => Bonus of 8 (I prefer 8 over 7)
Racketters: 3 terr, 3 def/att, 3 cont => Bonus of 3 (more then enough, only 3 terr)
Ch. Outfit East: 10 terr, 8 def/att, 5 cont => Bonus of 9 (give it a 9, 8 is thou on the table!)
Ch. Outfit West: 10 terr, 8 def/att, 5 cont => Bonus of 9 (give it a 9, 8 is thou on the table!)
Canadians: 3 terr, 3 def/att, 2 cont => Bonus of 3 (note the 2 def needed to keep this cont)
All Giggle uice Trucks: 12 terr, 12 def/att, 8 cont => Bonus of 12 (6 is half!!!, way to low, if you get this bonus, you control most of map anyway, 10!)
All Utilities: 8 terr, 7 def/att, 7 cont => Bonus of 8 (as said, perhaps 7 to as "City Hall" can't be attacked from other terr except the cont terr itself)



thats it for now :D
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:40 pm

oaktown wrote:As you carry on the work on this map, I hope that you will keep in mind my comments about the map looking somewhat horizontal for a city which has long prided itself in being very vertical.


oaktown, just how does one achieve the impression of height on a flat overview map apart from doing a isometric or 3D map, which i do not want to do to. I want to keep this simple. This map is not about Chiacgo's tall buildings or that pride, it is about bloody racketteering and gangsters who shot it out in the streets. So forgive if i am at a loss as to your most bizzare request.
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:47 pm

Coleman wrote:The reason I'm being cruel is because I know you can take it and you are an excellent map maker. It's just right now this is well below what I typically expect to see this far in, which is frustrating because this is my favorite map of yours that you have going right now. (Not counting what is in Final Forge) I am just hoping for a visual update soon, and hoping you know where the big problems are, which it seems you do.


No, the reason you are being cruel is because you can. There is no need for it...whether or not i can take which sometimes i can't...requests can be put in a politer manner...and having now done some 6 or 7 maps one would think that I would know what issues a map has to be concerned with Coleman...after you viewed this map in new ideas and moved in here, you come back with these issues in a manner that i beleive was quite intolerable, and there is no need for it...so forgive me if you are not my biggest fan at present.

I think that U simply you had the shits with something and i copped the brunt of it, because you felt like being nasty. I am not impressed.
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Postby Coleman on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:04 pm

Sorry you feel the way but I too find this exchange intolerable because this isn't a quality I expected this long after being out of Map Ideas and it's hard to control the rage associated with that annoyance in this case because I know you can do better.

Don't worry to much about it, it's likely you won't have to deal with me again until you have xml.

... The text is still completely illegible for me and where I can read it oddly spaced in several areas.
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:12 pm

Coleman wrote:Sorry you feel the way but I too find this exchange intolerable because this isn't a quality I expected this long after being out of Map Ideas and it's hard to control the rage associated with that annoyance in this case because I know you can do better.

Don't worry to much about it, it's likely you won't have to deal with me again until you have xml.


Yes well, i think you should lower your expectations, because mapmakers can only ahcieve what they can, not what you want them to on your timeline. this is my map, my timeline coleman, there are no time contraints in here so come down off your high horse.

As for you staying away, there is no need for that, just a little humility would help in your messages. :)
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Postby Coleman on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:16 pm

There'll be need and reason for it soon enough...

I'll be gentler from now on, and push comments back when your timeline is bothering me. I just like acting like my old self every once in a while and not being the mod, I sometimes forget that perception of me means I should be more reasonable.

... Can't you at least do something about the legend text real fast? Make it a different font or make it less blurry somehow?
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:24 pm

Coleman wrote:There'll be need and reason for it soon enough...

I'll be gentler from now on, and push comments back when your timeline is bothering me.

... Can't you at least do something about the legend text real fast? Make it a different font or make it less blurry somehow?


I will try to do something on this map this weekend, and thank you. It is a much more pleasant experience when people are nice to each other without too much syrup or all the nasty bits, don't you think. :)
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Postby onbekende on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:27 pm

/me puts plate with 2 cookies between cairnswk and Coleman

each eat 1, shake hands and be nice!
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:32 pm

onbekende wrote:/me puts plate with 2 cookies between cairnswk and Coleman

each eat 1, shake hands and be nice!


Thankyou onbekende...are they choc cookies? :wink:
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Postby onbekende on Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:56 pm

belgian finest chocolate cookies :D
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Postby Incandenza on Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:01 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Incandenza wrote:The Outfit West is brutal.... the white text on light pink background is not a good combo.

Much of what else I had to say was said already (mostly by the remarkably prescient oaktown).


Gees, three of you on pills...what is happening....thanks Incadenza for that input... i will tkae it into account when i git around to doing this map again.


C'mon, you know I respect you. I apologize if that came off badly, or if I was piling on...

And now I want some cookies. :lol:
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:15 pm

onbekende wrote:belgian finest chocolate cookies :D


Mmmm, i had some fine Belgian Chocolate for Xmas...yummy
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:16 pm

Incandenza wrote:
C'mon, you know I respect you. I apologize if that came off badly, or if I was piling on...

And now I want some cookies. :lol:


Of course i know, but three lots of pills in a row...that a bit hard to swallow, 'specially when the first one choked me up...literally. :roll: :wink: Cookies...of course...i love to share.
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Postby onbekende on Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:40 pm

/me puts a bog box on the plate

seems cairnswk will need it :D


also, my bonus calcs?
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:57 pm

onbekende wrote:/me puts a bog box on the plate

seems cairnswk will need it :D


also, my bonus calcs?


yes thanks onbekende....i know the bonus calcs are there...i am reworking the map....pls have patience :)
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Postby oaktown on Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:20 pm

cairnswk wrote:oaktown, just how does one achieve the impression of height on a flat overview map apart from doing a isometric or 3D map, which i do not want to do to. I want to keep this simple.

You've got skills - i suspect you'll find a way. But I agree - 3D map bad. My concern was simply that many of your individual elements are short and wide, while Chicago is a tall and thin city.

Well, maybe not the people so much. :wink:

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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:37 pm

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cairnswk wrote:oaktown, just how does one achieve the impression of height on a flat overview map apart from doing a isometric or 3D map, which i do not want to do to. I want to keep this simple.

You've got skills - i suspect you'll find a way. But I agree - 3D map bad. My concern was simply that many of your individual elements are short and wide, while Chicago is a tall and thin city.

Well, maybe not the people so much. :wink:

Can somebody pass me those cookies?


Kewl....i understand. i am going to trry to attempt to build a skyscraper out the legend somehow...don't knwo if it will come off but keep watch...cookies here for you ->
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Postby Coleman on Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:12 pm

A lot of my frustration came from it being page 5 and the last update being page 2... So I really hope you find the time soon. I don't think it's good when gaps like that happen in the topic. :(
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:27 pm

Coleman wrote:A lot of my frustration came from it being page 5 and the last update being page 2... So I really hope you find the time soon. I don't think it's good when gaps like that happen in the topic. :(


Coleman...if you continue with this harassement when it is my timeline, i shall be reporting you and i don't want to do that...so get off my case, i will do the update when i am ready. not before, and not when u dictate.
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:29 pm

Coleman, i have just finalised the last bits of xml and stuff for Waterloo. so if you have nothing better to do, go check that.
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Postby Coleman on Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:47 pm

You're being a bit too defensive while I'm trying to explain my previous actions. I can see this is fruitless and you're not willing to be reasonable. I get that I'm a CA but I have my right to behave like a normal commenter, and I would like it if you'd treat me as such. I'll look at your xml.

I'm not interested in starting a war, I just wanted to make sure you know what my point of view was when I made that post.
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:09 pm

Coleman wrote:You're being a bit too defensive while I'm trying to explain my previous actions. I can see this is fruitless and you're not willing to be reasonable. I get that I'm a CA but I have my right to behave like a normal commenter, and I would like it if you'd treat me as such. I'll look at your xml.

I'm not interested in starting a war, I just wanted to make sure you know what my point of view was when I made that post.


Coleman, peace, I am not interested in startig a war either with you. i think it is you who are blasting away too much - what's the matter with you man, power got to your head?

I already got your point, and if you read post in which i replied to oaktown, you would see that i am in the process of re-working the map, however, as it came up, Waterloo has just been prioritised in front of Chicago.

As for your point about a 3 page non-update, go look at some other maps and see the number of pages and comments that get laid out before an update is posted. From this point of view, and the fact you come back for another jab, i think it is you who are being unreasonable and U need to lay off. Just cool it for a while until this next update is done and then u can have a go at it.

I am also not questioning your rights as CA to post, I have already got the message, but enough is enough.
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Postby Coleman on Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:54 pm

cairnswk wrote:what's the matter with you man, power got to your head?
If you notice Cartos is missing, I think that means I have no power. :lol: err :-k
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Postby cairnswk on Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:30 am

Coleman wrote:
cairnswk wrote:what's the matter with you man, power got to your head?
If you notice Cartos is missing, I think that means I have no power. :lol: err :-k


Good god, i could start a rumour...Cartos missing. :P
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Postby cairnswk on Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:12 pm

OK...here's a small update to keep some people happy. :)

Changes are made to give a very Art Deco feel to this map.
1. colours.
2. text and title - mayu change again as i experiment
3. trying to build a skyscaper out of the legend which i hope will have art deco featurs


Still to do - the planes...Mmmmmm! maybe ski planes.


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