Europa [Quenched]

[MrBenn]

andora must go down,people can not see where mountains ends.
When now i look closer,what is point to have mountains? These is not impasabile borders.

Thanks qwert.
I've moved the army number for Andorra on the large map - does that help?

I'm not convinced by the mountains there either... they're a hangover from when the Pyrenees temporarily appeared as an impassable there. I think they may confuse rather than anything... any other opinions?

And does North Balkans sound better than Balkans?

[Qwert]

And does North Balkans sound better than Balkans?

Are you ask me? Aim from balkan,but decision is yours because you ignore all Grecce sugestion.

[MrBenn]

And does North Balkans sound better than Balkans?

Are you ask me? Aim from balkan,but decision is yours because you ignore all Grecce sugestion.

The arguement goes in circles again

The difficulty with including Greece in the Balkan bonus region was that it left Cyprus isolated on its own. Cyprus is definitely not Transcontinental, and it isn't in the Balkans... With Turkey there was a massive debate about whether or not to split it up, and the consensus was to have it the way it is currently.

I am happy to leave the Balkan region on the map as it is, but was asking if North Balkans (not my idea) would be a better name to describe the region as it is displayed?

[iancanton]

True, but we will see if its a problem when the map comes out eh:). I just have a bad feeling about it, but that just me=)

So you think the bonus is too small while I think it's too big.
We will just have to see who of us is right when the map comes out (or if Benn got it right in the middle ).

i also think that a +5 total (+4 plus +1 motherland) for holding 6 transcontinentals with 3 borders is too big. this is equivalent to classic africa, which is only +3. transcontinental also has the advantage of being at the edge of the board so that, unlike classic north africa, virtually no-one needs to go through it to attack anyone else (how often will cyprus need to attack finland?). one of the three border territories, turkey, is less important and doesn't need to be so heavily defended, since u can lose turkey but still retain the motherland bonus. for all these reasons, reducing the transcontinental bonus is the right way to go.

the country abbreviations are good now.

i'd have thought of a lighter sea colour in the north rather than in the south, to represent ice. however, what u have works very well. the dover to calais sea route is a good idea. for the sea routes, can u see if smaller dots look better than the large ones currently on the map?

ian.

[MrBenn]

Thanks for reminding me to move the England-France route... I've done that now

As far as Transcontinental goes, I think it's about right as it is...

You said it was at the edge of the map - that much is true, but it has borders with 5 different regions. Turkey borders Balkans and Hellenics, while Russia borders Scandinavia, Baltics and Eastern Europe. Throw Kaliningrad into the mix, and you've suddenly got something a bit harder to defend. Kaliningrad is going to start neutral, so it's not going to be easy to get the motherland bonus straight away, and I expect Russia to be valuable for whoever has Scandinavia and whoever has the Baltics as it reduces the total number of borders.

As well as that, Transcontinental is similar in size/borders to Western Europe at the opposite side of the map - and that also has a +5... I think it's going to be one of those 'wait and see' things

Mr B

[MrBenn]

Update

• I have adjusted the England-France route to be more vaguely like the Dover-Calais route... It doesn't quite make those points, but is more visible now.
• I have made the sea route points very slightly smaller, and slightly crisper. I prefer them now.
• You might notice some grey 3's on Kaliningrad, Belgium, Switzerland and Cyprus - these will be designated as starting neutrals... there was always going to be some anyway, and these points will alleviate sthe probability of being dropped a bonus.
• The Pyrenees Mountains have disappeared again - I have mixed views on this, but think it is clearer without them; especially as they were not serving any function.
• Consequently the Andorra name and army number have been moved

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[ZeakCytho]

Benn, hurry up and finish the XML so this thing can be quenched!

[MrBenn]

As you asked so nicely Zeak, here it is - EuropaXML08.xml

I have moved the coordinates for Andorra to correspond with the move I made to the position of the 'circle' on the map
I have added the starting neutrals for Belgium, Switzerland, Cyprus and Kaliningrad

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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
   <title>Europa</title>
   <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>500</smallheight>
   <largewidth>750</largewidth>
   <largeheight>595</largeheight>
   <filetype>jpg</filetype>


<continent>
   <name>Scandinavia</name>
     <bonus>4</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Greenland</territory>
       <territory>Iceland</territory>
       <territory>Faroe Islands</territory>
       <territory>Norway</territory>
       <territory>Sweden</territory>
       <territory>Finland</territory>
       <territory>Denmark</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>The British Isles</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Scotland</territory>
       <territory>Northern Ireland</territory>
       <territory>Republic of Ireland</territory>
       <territory>Wales</territory>
       <territory>England</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Western Europe</name>
     <bonus>5</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Portugal</territory>
       <territory>Spain</territory>
       <territory>Gibraltar</territory>
       <territory>Balearics</territory>
       <territory>Andorra</territory>
       <territory>France</territory>
       <territory>Monaco</territory>
       <territory>Corsica</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Benelux</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Belgium</territory>
       <territory>Netherlands (NLD)</territory>
       <territory>Luxembourg (LUX)</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Central Europe</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Germany</territory>
       <territory>Switzerland</territory>
       <territory>Liechtenstein (LIE)</territory>
       <territory>Austria</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>The Italic States</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Italy</territory>
       <territory>San Marino (SMR)</territory>
       <territory>Vatican City (VAT)</territory>
       <territory>Sardinia</territory>
       <territory>Sicily</territory>
       <territory>Malta</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>The Balkan States</name>
     <bonus>5</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Slovenia (SVN)</territory>
       <territory>Croatia</territory>
       <territory>Bosnia and Herzegovina (BIH)</territory>
       <territory>Serbia</territory>
       <territory>Montenegro (MNE)</territory>
       <territory>Albania (ALB)</territory>
       <territory>Macedonia (MKD)</territory>
       <territory>Bulgaria</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>The Hellenics</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Greece</territory>
       <territory>Crete</territory>
       <territory>Cyprus</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Eastern Europe</name>
     <bonus>6</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Czech Republic</territory>
       <territory>Poland</territory>
       <territory>Slovakia (SVK)</territory>
       <territory>Hungary</territory>
       <territory>Romania</territory>
       <territory>Moldova</territory>
       <territory>Ukraine</territory>
       <territory>Belarus</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>The Baltics</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Estonia</territory>
       <territory>Latvia</territory>
       <territory>Lithuania</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Transcontinental Europe</name>
     <bonus>4</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
       <territory>Georgia</territory>
       <territory>Azerbaijan</territory>
       <territory>Armenia</territory>
       <territory>Turkey</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>The Motherland</name>
     <bonus>1</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>any 5 Mediterranean Islands</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Balearics</territory>
       <territory>Corsica</territory>
       <territory>Sardinia</territory>
       <territory>Sicily</territory>
       <territory>Malta</territory>
       <territory>Crete</territory>
       <territory>Cyprus</territory>
   </components>
   <required>5</required>
</continent>



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   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
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      <smally>51</smally>
      <largex>32</largex>
      <largey>60</largey>
   </coordinates>
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   <borders>
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      <border>Norway</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
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      <smally>61</smally>
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   <borders>
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      <border>Russia</border>
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      <border>Russia</border>
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   <coordinates>
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   <name>Denmark</name>
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      <border>Germany</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
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   </coordinates>
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   <name>Scotland</name>
   <borders>
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      <border>England</border>
   </borders>
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      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Liechtenstein (LIE)</border>
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      <border>Hungary</border>
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      <border>Vatican City (VAT)</border>
      <border>Sicily</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
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      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Malta</border>
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      <smally>470</smally>
      <largex>273</largex>
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   </borders>
   <coordinates>
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      <smally>505</smally>
      <largex>267</largex>
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      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Croatia</border>
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      <smally>350</smally>
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      <border>Bosnia and Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
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      <smally>365</smally>
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      <largey>430</largey>
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      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
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      <smally>384</smally>
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      <border>Bosnia and Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
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      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
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      <smally>398</smally>
      <largex>397</largex>
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      <border>Bosnia and Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
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      <smally>401</smally>
      <largex>357</largex>
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      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
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      <smally>435</smally>
      <largex>372</largex>
      <largey>511</largey>
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   <borders>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
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      <smally>420</smally>
      <largex>402</largex>
      <largey>496</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
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   <name>Bulgaria</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>369</smallx>
      <smally>410</smally>
      <largex>440</largex>
      <largey>485</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

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   <name>Greece</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Crete</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>332</smallx>
      <smally>474</smally>
      <largex>396</largex>
      <largey>561</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Crete</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Malta</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Cyprus</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>388</smallx>
      <smally>505</smally>
      <largex>463</largex>
      <largey>598</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Cyprus</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Crete</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>476</smallx>
      <smally>506</smally>
      <largex>564</largex>
      <largey>597</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>3</neutral>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Czech Republic</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>297</smallx>
      <smally>306</smally>
      <largex>354</largex>
      <largey>359</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Poland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Kaliningrad (KGD)</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>319</smallx>
      <smally>270</smally>
      <largex>381</largex>
      <largey>320</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Slovakia (SVK)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>330</smallx>
      <smally>321</smally>
      <largex>394</largex>
      <largey>377</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Hungary</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>312</smallx>
      <smally>337</smally>
      <largex>372</largex>
      <largey>396</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Romania</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Moldova</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>361</smallx>
      <smally>354</smally>
      <largex>431</largex>
      <largey>416</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Moldova</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>395</smallx>
      <smally>338</smally>
      <largex>470</largex>
      <largey>401</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Ukraine</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Moldova</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>416</smallx>
      <smally>303</smally>
      <largex>494</largex>
      <largey>358</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Belarus</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>388</smallx>
      <smally>261</smally>
      <largex>462</largex>
      <largey>309</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Estonia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>374</smallx>
      <smally>198</smally>
      <largex>444</largex>
      <largey>231</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Latvia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Estonia</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>375</smallx>
      <smally>221</smally>
      <largex>446</largex>
      <largey>258</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Lithuania</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Kaliningrad (KGD)</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>360</smallx>
      <smally>246</smally>
      <largex>429</largex>
      <largey>287</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Kaliningrad (KGD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>330</smallx>
      <smally>248</smally>
      <largex>395</largex>
      <largey>291</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>3</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Russia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
      <border>Estonia</border>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>509</smallx>
      <smally>278</smally>
      <largex>607</largex>
      <largey>325</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Georgia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>538</smallx>
      <smally>384</smally>
      <largex>646</largex>
      <largey>454</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Azerbaijan</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>600</smallx>
      <smally>391</smally>
      <largex>715</largex>
      <largey>460</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Armenia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>562</smallx>
      <smally>401</smally>
      <largex>670</largex>
      <largey>473</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Turkey</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Cyprus</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>476</smallx>
      <smally>438</smally>
      <largex>566</largex>
      <largey>519</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>


</map>



[MrBenn]

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Large image with 88s:

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Large image with 888s:

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Small image with 88s:

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XML: EuropaXML_08.xml

[yeti_c]

Looking pretty damn sweet - have you submitted the XML for testing?

C.

[MrBenn]

Looking pretty damn sweet - have you submitted the XML for testing?

C.

Yes

[tenio]

sorry if this question was asked before, but after seeing this map for the first time,

are greenland, iceland and faroe part of the scandivian territory/bonus?

and is it just me or is transcontinetal bonus too high? seems as if 4 armies with only 2 borders is pretty high...

[MrBenn]

are greenland, iceland and faroe part of the scandivian territory/bonus?

Yes

and is it just me or is transcontinetal bonus too high? seems as if 4 armies with only 2 borders is pretty high...

The Transcontinental region also includes the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad, which is at least two territories away from Russia, and increases the number of borders to 3; one of which is separated from the rest of the region by a minimum of two territories...

[Thezzaruz]

There was some discussion a while back about whether I should use Nordics or Scandinavia as the name for that region. Technically the Scandinavian Peninsular does only include Sweden Norway and Finland; although I was under the impression that the word Scandinavia is used synonymously with Nordic Countries, the official name of the region. Personally I prefer the word Scandinavia as it has a bit more character than Nordic which is a translation of Northern...
Any other thoughts?

Nordic Region and not Countries. If you talk about the term Nordic Countries then that is referring to Nordic People and used about most anyone on mainland europe from germany and above, way old and not used nowdays.

But as I said, yes Scandinavia is often used by english speaking people even though it is wrong. In just the same way as many people outside the brittish isles doesn't make any distinction between great britain/UK/england.
I personally really don't mind scandinavia as I do live in it but to someone from greenland/iceland/the faroes (and probably most finns too) it would be the same as an irish/scottish would feel about calling the BI continent for england.

The bottom line is that it is incorrect to call it scandinavia, but if you like it to stay then I won't pester you about it anymore as I can live with it (or rather live in it ).

KUTGW


EDIT: additional comments taken out due to being in the wrong thread

[MrBenn]

OK, I have renamed Scandinavia to be Nordic Region - I prefer Region to Countries for a couple of reasons and it is probably going to cause less confusion/angst in the long run

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Small:

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XML:
EuropaXML_09.xml


PS - do I need to re-submit the XML, as the only change I have made is to a continent name, which only appears once in the file?

[tenio]

what is see is that holding the russia, gerogia azebajan ext. territories is plus 4

and when holding the kgd it's plus 5...idk that's just what i see lol

[MrBenn]

The Transcontinental region also includes the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad.

[Thezzaruz]

OK, I have renamed Scandinavia to be Nordic Region - I prefer Region to Countries for a couple of reasons and it is probably going to cause less confusion/angst in the long run

Region is much better than countries here. Many thanks for taking this on board and sorry that I didn't notice it earlier in the process.

[yeti_c]

PS - do I need to re-submit the XML, as the only change I have made is to a continent name, which only appears once in the file?

Doubt it.

C.

[MrBenn]

So shall I just start clapping slowly and waving some bananas around?

[reggie_mac]

Hot Sauce MrBenn, looking real nice.

[t-o-m]

This has most likely been mentioned - so sorry, but why is greenland not in the mini map?

[MrBenn]

This has most likely been mentioned - so sorry, but why is greenland not in the mini map?

The minimap has been cropped slightly to fit on the legend.... but I've updated it with a slightly moved Greenland and Iceland:

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XML: EuropaXML_09.xml

Come on now Andy

[t-o-m]

Ah thanks, i can see that saving a lot of confusion

Come on now Andy

C'mon now, i was waiting ages until some more comments came Dont be getting qwerty

[reggie_mac]

Dont be getting qwerty

I must i hadn't heard that one before