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Postby Ogrecrusher on Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:06 pm

jnd94 wrote:No offense to you, but I don't think it needs a revamp. First off (again, no offense) but i think that this one isn't as good as the first. There isn't Africa or Middle East, but yet there is Georgia and Armenia.....I like how the bonuses are divided up better, but the first map seems less squeezed, and better looking.


This is a first draft and I'd already rather play it than the awful other one. Georgia and Armenia play football in Europe, although I'm not sure what the actual defnition of a country being in Europe is...
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Postby Chirondom on Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:06 pm

jnd94 wrote:No offense to you, but I don't think it needs a revamp. First off (again, no offense) but i think that this one isn't as good as the first. There isn't Africa or Middle East, but yet there is Georgia and Armenia.....I like how the bonuses are divided up better, but the first map seems less squeezed, and better looking.
This isn't a revamp, it's a different map.
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Postby jnd94 on Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:11 pm

Chirondom wrote:
jnd94 wrote:No offense to you, but I don't think it needs a revamp. First off (again, no offense) but i think that this one isn't as good as the first. There isn't Africa or Middle East, but yet there is Georgia and Armenia.....I like how the bonuses are divided up better, but the first map seems less squeezed, and better looking.
This isn't a revamp, it's a different map.


Europe 2.0? That sounds like a re-vamp to me.....
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Postby Ogrecrusher on Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:30 pm

jnd94 wrote:
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jnd94 wrote:No offense to you, but I don't think it needs a revamp. First off (again, no offense) but i think that this one isn't as good as the first. There isn't Africa or Middle East, but yet there is Georgia and Armenia.....I like how the bonuses are divided up better, but the first map seems less squeezed, and better looking.
This isn't a revamp, it's a different map.


Europe 2.0? That sounds like a re-vamp to me.....


It's not a revamp because the original is going to exist in tandem with this one.
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Postby tim02 on Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:56 pm

Chirondom wrote:Here's my idea. Look at the continents on the Italian, British, French, Iberian, etc., maps. Use those continents and turn them into territories. Then make owning all those territories into a sub-continent, a la World 2.0.

Otherwise, this map isn't really all that different from the first Europe map.



I disagree as much as possible.

The whole point of this one is to ad all the countries, adding any provinces would make it stupid.

Only the islands are an exeption because they make the game play better, especialy the islands in the north, and the med, those are actually very important to game play.

And the whole thing in the british island is also helpful to game play, I like that continent, this first draft/first ever map is amazing and I would just like to say I back this map completly. (and that's alot coming from a picky player like me!)


Well done and Good luck
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Postby AndyDufresne on Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:56 pm

The 2.0 probably shouldn't be a part of title, for any confusion.


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Postby sfhbballnut on Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:57 pm

has it been discussed to have this as a europe map and the current europe map as something else?, the current europe map is an excellent map that I would hate to see go, but I'd also like to see where this one goes
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Postby Heimdall on Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:00 pm

I think The Balkans countries are too small.

Those people should merge into one country and call it Yugoslavia or something.
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Postby tim02 on Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:06 pm

sfhbballnut wrote:has it been discussed to have this as a europe map and the current europe map as something else?, the current europe map is an excellent map that I would hate to see go, but I'd also like to see where this one goes




I think they should both stay, I love the old Europe map, and I have already grown on this, this could have some great gameplay some of the best, the islands, the continents, all that needs doing is the graphics, which after this first draft I bet well be great.

Don't let me down


And for the post above by hamdall that is pointless and ruins the entire point of this map I disagree.

Again don't let me down

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Postby MrBenn on Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:18 am

Ogrecrusher wrote:This is a first draft and I'd already rather play it than the awful other one. Georgia and Armenia play football in Europe, although I'm not sure what the actual defnition of a country being in Europe is...


http://worldatlas.com/cntycont.htm

I used the WorldAtlas.com site and the United Nations sites to get the list of 'recognised' countries.
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Postby Hrvat on Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:28 am

Heimdall wrote:I think The Balkans countries are too small.

Those people should merge into one country and call it Yugoslavia or something.


Yogoslavia does not exist, in Europe or anywhere else :roll:
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Postby Jesse710 on Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:35 am

It's really hard to see some of the teritory names
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Postby MarVal on Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:44 am

Hrvat wrote:
Heimdall wrote:I think The Balkans countries are too small.

Those people should merge into one country and call it Yugoslavia or something.


Yogoslavia does not exist, in Europe or anywhere else :roll:

Yes, I agree with Hrvat.

I'm glad we now have a map thats been developed with all the countries and the real names of Europe countries in it.

Not just like the current "Europe" map with strange names like "Germany" as a continent and continent "Scandinavia" with the countries Estonia and Saint Petersburg, and "Belgium" as one country in the area with the Netherlands and Luxembourg!?

I think this is a great idea and it looks amazing on your first start =D>

And about the Microstates (or ministates) as Andorra, Vatican City, Liechtenstein, Malta , San Marino and Monaco, you can maybe give it a number or letter and then in a legend of the Microstates you can place the names in it. Just a suggestion and maybe you can give them bonuses for holding 2, 3 for or more Microstates.

See also the European microstates (very small sovereign states) on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_microstates

And if you need a helping hand, just let me know.

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Postby Qwert on Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:07 am

I complete support these map,and for old Europe map,maybe you dont notice,but these old map present Europe before 1990,because you have some country who now not exist(Western Germany,Eastern Germany,Chehoslovakia,Croatia(these will be change in Yugoslavia),so you can not compare old Europe map with new Europe 2.0 because these not same.
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Postby tim02 on Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:46 pm

And you need to decide which continents Turkey and Russia go to.
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Re: New Europe [Not-a-REVAMP]

Postby MrBenn on Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:17 am

New Map Update!
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Changes:
-The non-playable areas are greyed out
-Map/Curvature lines have been added (this explains the funny UK/Spain angles)
-Meditteranean islands added
-Territory names moved, and some boundaries moved (particularly in Balkans)
-Some territory names abbreviated, and a key of these added
-Colours changed to show possible continent/sub-continent bonuses
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Postby Skittles! on Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:22 am

Nice update, but a few things that need fixing up.

- Looking at your legend, you have the wrong colours for the Continents (E.g. British Isles is pink, Balkans is red as is Western Europe.)

- The border with Finland and European Russia is very thing, especially down the bottom. Maybe make it the same thickness as everything else?

Looking good anyway.
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Postby Balsiefen on Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:39 am

Your sea routes are nice but very hard to see. could you make them bolder in some way.
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Postby MrBenn on Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:40 am

I preferred the colours in my first version - I think they look a bit muted/bland now... Does anybody have suggestions for a colour scheme that will 'fizz', and allow the diffreentation of the required number of areas??

Oh, and before anybody mentions it, I know that the legend needs redoing! :)
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Postby MrBenn on Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:42 am

The sea routes are on my to-do list... I'll have to put some new ones in for the Meditteranean Islands too...
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Re: New Europe [Not-a-REVAMP] --Update p3--

Postby Blitzaholic on Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:13 am

MrBenn wrote:Following earlier discussion about a new Europe map, here is my map so far:
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I like it, but why two?


and if so, we keeping both europe maps if this works out?
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Postby tim02 on Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:56 am

Don't like the way you did the continents in the south, you should have West Med. for all the Islands west of Italy should be a continent by itself.

East Med. should be Turkey Greece, Crete and Cyprus.

You'll be shot before you put Holland with Germany I suggest that you use The low Countries for BeNeLuxMake it there own.

You should now put Italy with all the countries inside part of The Continent Germany is in (I don't know what it is because you haven't redone the legend).

Russia should be part of "Asian borders"

Denmark, Iceland, Romania, Moldova, Slve. and Ireland don't have the same shade as the rest of there continent.

That was my opinion I hope it Helps
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Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:40 pm

Be careful about small territories and placing the army shadow over them...Andorra, VC, Liech, etc.


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Postby Qwert on Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:39 pm

Maybe these can help you(look in Wikipedia)
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Re: New Europe [Not-a-REVAMP]

Postby MrBenn on Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:38 pm

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I've updated the legend with continent colours. My idea for bonuses so far - (I'm open to other ideas too) - are:

Scandinavia (dark purple) to be a small bonus (+2), with another +2 for holding the other bits (light purple)

British Isles. UK (light yellow) something like +3. Possibly another +1 for Rep Ireland too.

Meditteranean. A bonus for the dark red areas, and another for hlding the islands too. I'm not convinced I've got the divisions right here yet, and like the suggestion for having East/West Med. This (and ocean routes) needs some more thought though...

Western Europe. I'm not sure what bonus / sub-continents make sense here, and am contemplating "moving" territories into Central Europe/Meditteranean continents with a possible East/West Med rethink...

Central Europe. At the moment I don't like this colour. I do like the Benelux sub-continet idea, and will try and remember to incorporate that into a future draft.

Eastern Europe and Baltics. Two sepearte continents, with the possibility of having a bigger bonus for holding both.

Asian Borders. The pale areas (+2)are bona fide European Countries, while Turkey and Russia are (currently) not. I want to keep these together, and don't want to put Turkey in the Med.

Balkans According to one site I researched, the 7 dark blue are proper 'Balkan' countries, and Romania, Moldova and Slovenia are sometimes included in this group. I want to keep the countries here as close as possible to real-life, and have taken a bit of creative license to the boundaries to get the names to fit, and am pleased with the end result. I'm thinking of a 'Classic' Asia-equivalent bonus for this continent

In addition to the standard continent bonuses, I have been toying with the idea of disputed area bonuses, which would attract a +1 autodeploy to a 'partner'... ie:
N Ireland+England = +1 on England; N Ireland +Rep Ireland = +1 on Rep Ireland
Cyprus + Greece = +1 on Greece; Cyprus+Turkey=+1 on Turkey
If I do go down this route, then the grey area between Lithuania/Poland (which is technically part of Russia) would become Kaliningrad, which could be disputed by Germany/Russia)

I'm aware this is now a really long post, and need to catch up on some rest, so will finish here!

Keep the suggestions coming! :)
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