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Postby MPL on Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:17 pm

A agree with Tim02 and think option b really wouldn't work at all.
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Postby MrBenn on Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:38 pm

Right, I've wasted the evening updating the map, and have a new version ready to post:
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Changes:
-Rejigged the colours closer to how I preferred them originally.
-Updated the legend with a new style, and tentative bonuses
-Added and upgraded the ocean routes
-Moved some army circles and territory names
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Postby Coleman on Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:28 pm

I'm impressed enough to move this. I probably could have earlier but wanted to see one more draft. Good work.
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Postby RjBeals on Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:10 pm

MrBenn - I knew we had to keep an eye on you. Excellent first map. Very impressed.

Your water looks great. Your long/latitude lines are a great addition. Although not as smooth as some may like, I think your borders are perfect. Lots of good things, but I'll comment on some of the thing I feel you need to adjust.

1) Sea route dots could be a little more defined. Maybe the dots could be closer together (edit.. the more i look at them, the more i think they are fine).

2) I think it's been mentioned that some of your legend colors are not matching the map.

3) The legend in general I'm just not feeling. It's okay, but it looks too simple. Almost like you created it as an afterthought, in like 3 minutes. It does it's job, but maybe dress it up a little. Maybe it's just the plain bevel and rectangular shape that I don't care for.

4) I think your army circles may be a bit to opaque. Maybe lighten just a tad.

5) I ran into trouble with my map when asked to submit 3-digit armies for review. they overlapped some territory names and I had to adjust. Keep that in mind when your placing circles to the left of the names, "SI" Latvia" "Slovakia"... It was a pain to work around after I had the borders worked out. Just be aware, especially when working the small map.

6) Have you tried or thought of putting some sort of light texture on the territories? Colors look good, but maybe to dress it up a little. What about some mountains to create impassable borders?

I'll keep track of the map MrBenn - don't take my comments harsh, as I think you have done a great job in the past few pages. Anxious to see where you take this.
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Postby edbeard on Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:19 pm

First things first. I really like what you're doing with this map.


1. You still have the issue of smaller countries/city areas being hidden. I'm not sure if a line from the territory name to the city would look tacky, but something probably needs to be done. I'm talking Lux., Liech., SM, VC, Andorra, and Monaco.


2. I would probably recommend moving the Corsica, and Balearic Islands army circles so that the colour of the island underneath is evident.


3. a couple of your water routes need clarification. The first ties in with point one above. Monaco to Corsica. Maybe I'm being silly, but probably a few people will think it connects to France. If you can clear up the city thing a bit somewhat, then maybe this issue goes away.

the second one is the England to France connection. I just didn't see it the first time around. Maybe move it so that the connection is located on the west end and it might become more evident with that open water around there.

I just noticed that you might be able to say the same thing about the other connections in the British Isles. They're probably OK but if they were more visible somehow (maybe just location-wise they just aren't in the optimal spots) that couldn't hurt. Probably the same thing could be said for the Malta connection. With so few dots, I just didn't notice it. Obviously it's going to connect there, but from a visual standpoint, I think it could be better.
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Postby demon7896 on Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:26 pm

if this isn't a revamp, then what'll happen to the other europe map?
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Postby Coleman on Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:27 pm

demon7896 wrote:if this isn't a revamp, then what'll happen to the other europe map?
It will still be there as a bad Europe map, because people like it for some reason.
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Postby Night Strike on Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:55 am

Coleman wrote:
demon7896 wrote:if this isn't a revamp, then what'll happen to the other europe map?
It will still be there as a bad Europe map, because people like it for some reason.


I don't see this as a bad thing. What I see is the old Europe map as a site classic for up to 6 players with this one being the more "modern" version for up to 8 players. Keep up the good work.

(And I'm one who likes the current Europe.)
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Postby oaktown on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:10 am

before you go too much further you may want to show us what the small map is going to look like. You've got a lot of very small territories which could be a problem.

And can you please post map sizes on the first post? Otherwise I'll have to have yet another chat with Coleman about requiring this of maps when they leave Map Ideas. :)
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Postby MrBenn on Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:36 am

Oooh... I've been moved (it took me a while to work out where my thread had gone!).

What info do I need to add to the first post? Territory counts etc, and map pixel sizes?? I wasn't expecting to be moved just yet, but will add more detail shortly...

Thanks for the comments RJBeals, Edbeard and Oaktown. I will take your points on board. Before I work out a 'to do' list, I would like to post an update with a new legend idea I had this morning: Hopefully it looks vaguely 'atlassy'

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Postby Skittles! on Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:39 am

Your legend, with the sides, it looks a bit 'sharp', or whatever the pros call it. Just a bit jaggy.
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Postby MrBenn on Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:44 am

I think that's because there's a 1 pixel black border round the map inset... I could make it bigger, or lose it... something for my 'to do' list when I get round to making one!
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Postby Skittles! on Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:46 am

Shouldn't that little black dead land between Poland and Lithuania be brown because it's part of Russia.. Or I thought it was.
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Postby MrBenn on Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:01 am

Yes, that small bit is Russian - it has the town of Kaliningrad in it.
I was going to make it brown (same as Russia), but thought this would confuse too many people, and opted to grey it out like Africa/Asia. I'm not opposed to making it brown though - what do people think?

While talking about 'stranded' bits of countires, Azerbaijan includes the bit of land to the South of Armenia... I've been waiting for somebody to notice it!
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Postby Skittles! on Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:09 am

Heh, didn't really even look much in that area, but I would of known it was Azerbaijan anyway.

I think it should be Russia because it'll have the same colour is European Russia so eh, it doesn't really bother me.
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