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Re: Europa (New Europe) [I, Gp] p1/49 **Updated**XML**

Postby gimil on Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:12 pm

blakebowling wrote:
gimil wrote:Image

Nice work benny =D>

Another nice classic gameplay map on the way :)

wait, how did he get a graphics stamp if he doesn't have a Large Image?

BTW: love the map benn


Large isn't part of my criteria for graphics stamp, just small. If you work on a large then I require to see a quick glance at a resized large to determine if the resize will have any major issues.
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Re: Europa (New Europe) [I, Gp, Gr] p1/49 **Updated**XML**

Postby MrBenn on Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:19 pm

Ogrecrusher wrote:Just a Thought, maybe you could make the sea connections from England to France/Spain not start from the same place. It makes the France one less obvious in my eyes. Maybe a Dover-Calais one for the French one and leave the Spain one as is.

Nice idea... I'll have a look at it ;-)
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Re: Europa (New Europe) [I, Gp, Gr] p1/49 **Updated**XML**

Postby MrBenn on Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:46 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Lets see a large image when you've some time. :)

OK.... here's the small image:
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and here's the large:
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Re: Europa (New Europe) [I, Gp, Gr] p1/49 **Updated**XML**

Postby yeti_c on Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:14 am

mac - looks a bit like "imac"!!!

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Re: Europa (New Europe) [I, Gp, Gr] p1/49 **Updated**XML**

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:08 pm

              Final Forge

---The Europa Map has reached the ‘Final Forge’ Stage. I've revived this thread from the pits of the Foundry Furnace (okay, maybe not) and have examined the contents. Nearly every major concern has been addressed. If there are any other current concerns, please make your voice heard. If after a reasonable amount of time there has not been any objection or protest, the map will be deemed finished with the 'Foundry Brand' of approval and will be submitted for live play. As long as there is still discussion or posts that have yet to be commented on, the map will remain in Final Forge until said discussion has reached the conclusion that the map has reached its final and polished version.

Post questions and concerns if any.

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Re: Europa (New Europe) p1/49 *Updated*XML* [Final Forge]

Postby RjBeals on Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:40 pm

Congrats Mr. Benn.. Almost there. This map is sure to be a favorite!
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Re: Europa (New Europe) p1/49 *Updated*XML* [Final Forge]

Postby yeti_c on Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:51 am

Congrats Benny - hope to see this one up soon.

RjBeals wrote:Congrats Mr. Benn.. Almost there. This map is sure to be a favorite!


In europe we spell that "Favourite"!!!!!

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Re: Europa (New Europe) p1/49 *Updated*XML* [Final Forge]

Postby MrBenn on Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:56 am

I got lost for a while... glad to be in the forge though!

I'll get an update together soon ;-)
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/50***

Postby MrBenn on Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:57 am

Update!
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  • All the abbreviations have been replaced with official 3-letter codes
  • Some of the territory names have been moved to make them slightly clearer
  • The Greek peninsular has been connected via a land bridge.
  • Different coloured army numbers have been put on the map to show how it looks... The blue numbers are nice and clear; the most difficult to see are the yellow-on-yellow, but I wouldn't say it's problematic...
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/50***

Postby MrBenn on Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:02 am

How should the abbreviated countries by shown in the XML/Game Log?

    a) ALB - Albania
    b) ALB: Albania
    c) Albania (ALB)
    d) Albania - ALB
    e) Albania ALB
    f) something else...

Personally I'm inclined to go with option C...
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/50***

Postby Skittles! on Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:25 am

I have to agree with the C option

Looking nice, Mr. Benn. :]
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/50***

Postby gimil on Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:23 am

It would say option C is your best as well.

For lighter continent I would consider using darker army circles. Just so that there is a bit of contrast between those lighter army numbers, Central Europe, Hellenics, and maybe the baltics and benulux.
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/50***

Postby RjBeals on Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:10 am

isn't this the small map? Did you post the large map somewhere yet?
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/50***

Postby ZeakCytho on Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:43 pm

Option C gets my vote too.
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/50***

Postby MrBenn on Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:12 pm

RjBeals wrote:isn't this the small map? Did you post the large map somewhere yet?

It's back a page I think...
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/50***

Postby wcaclimbing on Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:36 pm

Looking good.
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/50***

Postby MrBenn on Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:47 pm

Just a quick bump to get the image on the latest page...
MrBenn wrote:Update!
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  • All the abbreviations have been replaced with official 3-letter codes
  • Some of the territory names have been moved to make them slightly clearer
  • The Greek peninsular has been connected via a land bridge.
  • Different coloured army numbers have been put on the map to show how it looks... The blue numbers are nice and clear; the most difficult to see are the yellow-on-yellow, but I wouldn't say it's problematic...

How should the abbreviated countries by shown in the XML/Game Log?
    a) ALB - Albania
    b) ALB: Albania
    c) Albania (ALB)
    d) Albania - ALB
    e) Albania ALB
    f) something else...

Personally I'm inclined to go with option C...
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Gilligan on Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:51 pm

Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby ZeakCytho on Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:08 pm

Gilligan wrote:Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?


Because there was a poll and capitalization lost :cry:
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Gilligan on Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:14 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?


Because there was a poll and capitalization lost :cry:


Really? :o

They're proper names, though...
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby ZeakCytho on Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:17 pm

Gilligan wrote:
ZeakCytho wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?


Because there was a poll and capitalization lost :cry:


Really? :o

They're proper names, though...


I know :cry:
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Gilligan on Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:25 pm

Can I ask why that was even a poll?
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby MrBenn on Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:48 am

Gilligan wrote:Can I ask why that was even a poll?

It's an aesthetic thing really... I preferred the look and style of lowercase names, and it had the side effect of making the Balkan region less cluttered.

The XML will be in Proper Case though... ;)
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby MrBenn on Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:59 am

XML Update: v2

XML version 1
    Here's my first ever attempt at some XML...
    I haven't put in any coordinates yet, and the large image size is empty; other than that, I'm hoping I've got all the borders and continents right :?:
XML version 2
    Updated the XML using the "Albania (ALB)" syntax for abbreviated country names.
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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
   <title>Europa</title>
   <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>500</smallheight>
   <largewidth>630</largewidth>
   <largeheight>500</largeheight>
   <filetype>jpg</filetype>


<continent>
   <name>Scandinavia</name>
     <bonus>4</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Greenland</territory>
       <territory>Iceland</territory>
       <territory>Faroe Islands</territory>
       <territory>Norway</territory>
       <territory>Sweden</territory>
       <territory>Finland</territory>
       <territory>Denmark</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the British Isles</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Scotland</territory>
       <territory>Northern Ireland</territory>
       <territory>Republic of Ireland</territory>
       <territory>Wales</territory>
       <territory>England</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Western Europe</name>
     <bonus>5</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Portugal</territory>
       <territory>Spain</territory>
       <territory>Gibraltar</territory>
       <territory>Balearics</territory>
       <territory>Andorra</territory>
       <territory>France</territory>
       <territory>Monaco</territory>
       <territory>Corsica</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Benelux</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Belgium</territory>
       <territory>Netherlands (NLD)</territory>
       <territory>Luxembourg (LUX)</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Central Europe</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Germany</territory>
       <territory>Switzerland</territory>
       <territory>Liechtenstein (LIE)</territory>
       <territory>Austria</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Italic States</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <name>Italy</name>
       <name>San Marino (SMR)</name>
       <name>Vatican City (VAT)</name>
       <name>Sardinia</name>
       <name>Sicily</name>
       <name>Malta</name>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Balkan States</name>
     <bonus>5</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Slovenia (SVN)</territory>
       <territory>Croatia</territory>
       <territory>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</territory>
       <territory>Serbia</territory>
       <territory>Montenegro (MNE)</territory>
       <territory>Albania (ALB)</territory>
       <territory>Macedonia (MKD)</territory>
       <territory>Bulgaria</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Hellenics</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Greece</territory>
       <territory>Crete</territory>
       <territory>Cyprus</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Eastern Europe</name>
     <bonus>6</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Czech Republic</territory>
       <territory>Poland</territory>
       <territory>Slovakia (SVK)</territory>
       <territory>Hungary</territory>
       <territory>Romania</territory>
       <territory>Moldova</territory>
       <territory>Ukraine</territory>
       <territory>Belarus</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Baltics</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Estonia</territory>
       <territory>Latvia</territory>
       <territory>Lithuania</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Transcontinental Europe</name>
     <bonus>4</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
       <territory>Georgia</territory>
       <territory>Azerbaijan</territory>
       <territory>Armenia</territory>
       <territory>Turkey</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Motherland</name>
     <bonus>1</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>any 5 Mediterranean Islands</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Balearics</territory>
       <territory>Corsica</territory>
       <territory>Sardinia</territory>
       <territory>Sicily</territory>
       <territory>Malta</territory>
       <territory>Crete</territory>
       <territory>Cyprus</territory>
   </components>
   <required>5</required>
</continent>



<territory>
   <name>Greenland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Iceland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Greenland</border>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Norway</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Faroe Islands</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
      <border>Denmark</border>
      <border>Scotland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Norway</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sweden</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
      <border>Denmark</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Finland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Denmark</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border></border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Scotland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Northern Ireland</border>
      <border>England</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Northern Ireland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Scotland</border>
      <border>Republic of Ireland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Republic of Ireland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Northern Ireland</border>
      <border>Wales</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Wales</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Republic of Ireland</border>
      <border>England</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>England</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Scotland</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Portugal</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Spain</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Portugal</border>
      <border>Gibraltar</border>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Balearics</border>
      <border>Andorra</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Gibraltar</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Balearics</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Andorra</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>France</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>Andorra</border>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Monaco</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Monaco</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Corsica</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Corsica</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Monaco</border>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Belgium</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Netherlands (NLD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Luxembourg (LUX)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Germany</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Denmark</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Switzerland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Liechtenstein (LIE)</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Liechtenstein (LIE)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Austria</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Liechtenstein (LIE)</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Italy</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>San Marino (SMR)</border>
      <border>Vatican City (VAT)</border>
      <border>Sicily</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>San Marino (SMR)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Vatican City (VAT)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sardinia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Balearics</border>
      <border>Corsica</border>
      <border>Sicily</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sicily</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Malta</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Malta</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sicily</border>
      <border>Crete</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Slovenia (SVN)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Croatia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Croatia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Serbia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Montenegro (MNE)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Albania (ALB)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Macedonia (MKD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Bulgaria</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Greece</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Crete</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Crete</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Malta</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Cyprus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Cyprus</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Crete</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Czech Republic</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Poland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Kaliningrad (KGD)</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Slovakia (SVK)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Hungary</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Romania</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Moldova</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Moldova</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Ukraine</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Moldova</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border></border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Belarus</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Estonia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Latvia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Estonia</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Lithuania</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Kaliningrad (KGD)</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Kaliningrad (KGD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Russia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
      <border>Estonia</border>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Georgia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Azerbaijan</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Armenia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Turkey</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Cyprus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>


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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Thezzaruz on Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:35 pm

I agree with option "C", seems to be popular. :)


But I still think the "transcontinental" +4 bonus should be +3 instead. 5 territs with just 2 borders just seems like such a game winner at +4 to me.

The +3 for "italic states" could be a +2 too. smr and vat is an extra pain to conquer perhaps but "italic states" really is the same as benelux/hellenic/baltics in everything else.
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