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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/50***

Postby wcaclimbing on Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:36 pm

Looking good.
Nice map.
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/50***

Postby MrBenn on Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:47 pm

Just a quick bump to get the image on the latest page...
MrBenn wrote:Update!
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  • All the abbreviations have been replaced with official 3-letter codes
  • Some of the territory names have been moved to make them slightly clearer
  • The Greek peninsular has been connected via a land bridge.
  • Different coloured army numbers have been put on the map to show how it looks... The blue numbers are nice and clear; the most difficult to see are the yellow-on-yellow, but I wouldn't say it's problematic...

How should the abbreviated countries by shown in the XML/Game Log?
    a) ALB - Albania
    b) ALB: Albania
    c) Albania (ALB)
    d) Albania - ALB
    e) Albania ALB
    f) something else...

Personally I'm inclined to go with option C...
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Gilligan on Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:51 pm

Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby ZeakCytho on Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:08 pm

Gilligan wrote:Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?


Because there was a poll and capitalization lost :cry:
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Gilligan on Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:14 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?


Because there was a poll and capitalization lost :cry:


Really? :o

They're proper names, though...
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby ZeakCytho on Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:17 pm

Gilligan wrote:
ZeakCytho wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?


Because there was a poll and capitalization lost :cry:


Really? :o

They're proper names, though...


I know :cry:
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Gilligan on Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:25 pm

Can I ask why that was even a poll?
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby MrBenn on Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:48 am

Gilligan wrote:Can I ask why that was even a poll?

It's an aesthetic thing really... I preferred the look and style of lowercase names, and it had the side effect of making the Balkan region less cluttered.

The XML will be in Proper Case though... ;)
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby MrBenn on Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:59 am

XML Update: v2

XML version 1
    Here's my first ever attempt at some XML...
    I haven't put in any coordinates yet, and the large image size is empty; other than that, I'm hoping I've got all the borders and continents right :?:
XML version 2
    Updated the XML using the "Albania (ALB)" syntax for abbreviated country names.
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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
   <title>Europa</title>
   <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>500</smallheight>
   <largewidth>630</largewidth>
   <largeheight>500</largeheight>
   <filetype>jpg</filetype>


<continent>
   <name>Scandinavia</name>
     <bonus>4</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Greenland</territory>
       <territory>Iceland</territory>
       <territory>Faroe Islands</territory>
       <territory>Norway</territory>
       <territory>Sweden</territory>
       <territory>Finland</territory>
       <territory>Denmark</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the British Isles</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Scotland</territory>
       <territory>Northern Ireland</territory>
       <territory>Republic of Ireland</territory>
       <territory>Wales</territory>
       <territory>England</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Western Europe</name>
     <bonus>5</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Portugal</territory>
       <territory>Spain</territory>
       <territory>Gibraltar</territory>
       <territory>Balearics</territory>
       <territory>Andorra</territory>
       <territory>France</territory>
       <territory>Monaco</territory>
       <territory>Corsica</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Benelux</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Belgium</territory>
       <territory>Netherlands (NLD)</territory>
       <territory>Luxembourg (LUX)</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Central Europe</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Germany</territory>
       <territory>Switzerland</territory>
       <territory>Liechtenstein (LIE)</territory>
       <territory>Austria</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Italic States</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <name>Italy</name>
       <name>San Marino (SMR)</name>
       <name>Vatican City (VAT)</name>
       <name>Sardinia</name>
       <name>Sicily</name>
       <name>Malta</name>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Balkan States</name>
     <bonus>5</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Slovenia (SVN)</territory>
       <territory>Croatia</territory>
       <territory>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</territory>
       <territory>Serbia</territory>
       <territory>Montenegro (MNE)</territory>
       <territory>Albania (ALB)</territory>
       <territory>Macedonia (MKD)</territory>
       <territory>Bulgaria</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Hellenics</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Greece</territory>
       <territory>Crete</territory>
       <territory>Cyprus</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Eastern Europe</name>
     <bonus>6</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Czech Republic</territory>
       <territory>Poland</territory>
       <territory>Slovakia (SVK)</territory>
       <territory>Hungary</territory>
       <territory>Romania</territory>
       <territory>Moldova</territory>
       <territory>Ukraine</territory>
       <territory>Belarus</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Baltics</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Estonia</territory>
       <territory>Latvia</territory>
       <territory>Lithuania</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Transcontinental Europe</name>
     <bonus>4</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
       <territory>Georgia</territory>
       <territory>Azerbaijan</territory>
       <territory>Armenia</territory>
       <territory>Turkey</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Motherland</name>
     <bonus>1</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>any 5 Mediterranean Islands</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Balearics</territory>
       <territory>Corsica</territory>
       <territory>Sardinia</territory>
       <territory>Sicily</territory>
       <territory>Malta</territory>
       <territory>Crete</territory>
       <territory>Cyprus</territory>
   </components>
   <required>5</required>
</continent>



<territory>
   <name>Greenland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Iceland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Greenland</border>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Norway</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Faroe Islands</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
      <border>Denmark</border>
      <border>Scotland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Norway</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sweden</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
      <border>Denmark</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Finland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Denmark</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border></border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Scotland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Northern Ireland</border>
      <border>England</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Northern Ireland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Scotland</border>
      <border>Republic of Ireland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Republic of Ireland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Northern Ireland</border>
      <border>Wales</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Wales</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Republic of Ireland</border>
      <border>England</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>England</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Scotland</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Portugal</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Spain</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Portugal</border>
      <border>Gibraltar</border>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Balearics</border>
      <border>Andorra</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Gibraltar</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Balearics</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Andorra</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>France</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>Andorra</border>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Monaco</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Monaco</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Corsica</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Corsica</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Monaco</border>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Belgium</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Netherlands (NLD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Luxembourg (LUX)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Germany</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Denmark</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Switzerland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Liechtenstein (LIE)</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Liechtenstein (LIE)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Austria</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Liechtenstein (LIE)</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Italy</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>San Marino (SMR)</border>
      <border>Vatican City (VAT)</border>
      <border>Sicily</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>San Marino (SMR)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Vatican City (VAT)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sardinia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Balearics</border>
      <border>Corsica</border>
      <border>Sicily</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sicily</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Malta</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Malta</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sicily</border>
      <border>Crete</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Slovenia (SVN)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Croatia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Croatia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Serbia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Montenegro (MNE)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Albania (ALB)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Macedonia (MKD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Bulgaria</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Greece</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Crete</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Crete</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Malta</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Cyprus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Cyprus</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Crete</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Czech Republic</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Poland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Kaliningrad (KGD)</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Slovakia (SVK)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Hungary</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Romania</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Moldova</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Moldova</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Ukraine</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Moldova</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border></border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Belarus</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Estonia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Latvia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Estonia</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Lithuania</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Kaliningrad (KGD)</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Kaliningrad (KGD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Russia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
      <border>Estonia</border>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Georgia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Azerbaijan</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Armenia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Turkey</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Cyprus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>


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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Thezzaruz on Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:35 pm

I agree with option "C", seems to be popular. :)


But I still think the "transcontinental" +4 bonus should be +3 instead. 5 territs with just 2 borders just seems like such a game winner at +4 to me.

The +3 for "italic states" could be a +2 too. smr and vat is an extra pain to conquer perhaps but "italic states" really is the same as benelux/hellenic/baltics in everything else.
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby MrBenn on Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:42 pm

Thezzaruz wrote:I agree with option "C", seems to be popular. :)

But I still think the "transcontinental" +4 bonus should be +3 instead. 5 territs with just 2 borders just seems like such a game winner at +4 to me.

Did you realise that Kaliningrad is included in the transcontinental region?

Thezzaruz wrote:The +3 for "italic states" could be a +2 too. smr and vat is an extra pain to conquer perhaps but "italic states" really is the same as benelux/hellenic/baltics in everything else.

Hmmm....
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby InkL0sed on Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:16 pm

Just out of curiosity - was there another controversy about Georgia, or did no one try to argue for the existence of two more territories?
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby ZeakCytho on Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:30 pm

If there's no Kosovo, then we can't put S. Ossetia and Abkhazia. If we do put Kosovo in, then both of those need to go in.

But honestly, another controvery would require another look at the gameplay, and it just isn't worth it. Keep the territories as they are now.
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby MrBenn on Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:55 pm

InkL0sed wrote:Just out of curiosity - was there another controversy about Georgia, or did no one try to argue for the existence of two more territories?

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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby InkL0sed on Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:01 pm

MrBenn wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:Just out of curiosity - was there another controversy about Georgia, or did no one try to argue for the existence of two more territories?

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Just wondering... 8-[
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