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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/50***

Postby wcaclimbing on Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:36 pm

Looking good.
Nice map.
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/50***

Postby MrBenn on Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:47 pm

Just a quick bump to get the image on the latest page...
MrBenn wrote:Update!
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  • All the abbreviations have been replaced with official 3-letter codes
  • Some of the territory names have been moved to make them slightly clearer
  • The Greek peninsular has been connected via a land bridge.
  • Different coloured army numbers have been put on the map to show how it looks... The blue numbers are nice and clear; the most difficult to see are the yellow-on-yellow, but I wouldn't say it's problematic...

How should the abbreviated countries by shown in the XML/Game Log?
    a) ALB - Albania
    b) ALB: Albania
    c) Albania (ALB)
    d) Albania - ALB
    e) Albania ALB
    f) something else...

Personally I'm inclined to go with option C...
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Gilligan on Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:51 pm

Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby ZeakCytho on Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:08 pm

Gilligan wrote:Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?


Because there was a poll and capitalization lost :cry:
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Gilligan on Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:14 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?


Because there was a poll and capitalization lost :cry:


Really? :o

They're proper names, though...
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby ZeakCytho on Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:17 pm

Gilligan wrote:
ZeakCytho wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Is there a reason why the names aren't capitalized?


Because there was a poll and capitalization lost :cry:


Really? :o

They're proper names, though...


I know :cry:
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Gilligan on Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:25 pm

Can I ask why that was even a poll?
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby MrBenn on Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:48 am

Gilligan wrote:Can I ask why that was even a poll?

It's an aesthetic thing really... I preferred the look and style of lowercase names, and it had the side effect of making the Balkan region less cluttered.

The XML will be in Proper Case though... ;)
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby MrBenn on Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:59 am

XML Update: v2

XML version 1
    Here's my first ever attempt at some XML...
    I haven't put in any coordinates yet, and the large image size is empty; other than that, I'm hoping I've got all the borders and continents right :?:
XML version 2
    Updated the XML using the "Albania (ALB)" syntax for abbreviated country names.
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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
   <title>Europa</title>
   <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>500</smallheight>
   <largewidth>630</largewidth>
   <largeheight>500</largeheight>
   <filetype>jpg</filetype>


<continent>
   <name>Scandinavia</name>
     <bonus>4</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Greenland</territory>
       <territory>Iceland</territory>
       <territory>Faroe Islands</territory>
       <territory>Norway</territory>
       <territory>Sweden</territory>
       <territory>Finland</territory>
       <territory>Denmark</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the British Isles</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Scotland</territory>
       <territory>Northern Ireland</territory>
       <territory>Republic of Ireland</territory>
       <territory>Wales</territory>
       <territory>England</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Western Europe</name>
     <bonus>5</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Portugal</territory>
       <territory>Spain</territory>
       <territory>Gibraltar</territory>
       <territory>Balearics</territory>
       <territory>Andorra</territory>
       <territory>France</territory>
       <territory>Monaco</territory>
       <territory>Corsica</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Benelux</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Belgium</territory>
       <territory>Netherlands (NLD)</territory>
       <territory>Luxembourg (LUX)</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Central Europe</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Germany</territory>
       <territory>Switzerland</territory>
       <territory>Liechtenstein (LIE)</territory>
       <territory>Austria</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Italic States</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <name>Italy</name>
       <name>San Marino (SMR)</name>
       <name>Vatican City (VAT)</name>
       <name>Sardinia</name>
       <name>Sicily</name>
       <name>Malta</name>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Balkan States</name>
     <bonus>5</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Slovenia (SVN)</territory>
       <territory>Croatia</territory>
       <territory>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</territory>
       <territory>Serbia</territory>
       <territory>Montenegro (MNE)</territory>
       <territory>Albania (ALB)</territory>
       <territory>Macedonia (MKD)</territory>
       <territory>Bulgaria</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Hellenics</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Greece</territory>
       <territory>Crete</territory>
       <territory>Cyprus</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Eastern Europe</name>
     <bonus>6</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Czech Republic</territory>
       <territory>Poland</territory>
       <territory>Slovakia (SVK)</territory>
       <territory>Hungary</territory>
       <territory>Romania</territory>
       <territory>Moldova</territory>
       <territory>Ukraine</territory>
       <territory>Belarus</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Baltics</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Estonia</territory>
       <territory>Latvia</territory>
       <territory>Lithuania</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Transcontinental Europe</name>
     <bonus>4</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
       <territory>Georgia</territory>
       <territory>Azerbaijan</territory>
       <territory>Armenia</territory>
       <territory>Turkey</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Motherland</name>
     <bonus>1</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>any 5 Mediterranean Islands</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Balearics</territory>
       <territory>Corsica</territory>
       <territory>Sardinia</territory>
       <territory>Sicily</territory>
       <territory>Malta</territory>
       <territory>Crete</territory>
       <territory>Cyprus</territory>
   </components>
   <required>5</required>
</continent>



<territory>
   <name>Greenland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Iceland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Greenland</border>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Norway</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Faroe Islands</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
      <border>Denmark</border>
      <border>Scotland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Norway</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sweden</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
      <border>Denmark</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Finland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Denmark</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border></border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Scotland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Northern Ireland</border>
      <border>England</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Northern Ireland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Scotland</border>
      <border>Republic of Ireland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Republic of Ireland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Northern Ireland</border>
      <border>Wales</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Wales</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Republic of Ireland</border>
      <border>England</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>England</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Scotland</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Portugal</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Spain</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Portugal</border>
      <border>Gibraltar</border>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Balearics</border>
      <border>Andorra</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Gibraltar</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Balearics</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Andorra</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>France</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>Andorra</border>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Monaco</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Monaco</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Corsica</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Corsica</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Monaco</border>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Belgium</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Netherlands (NLD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Luxembourg (LUX)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Germany</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Denmark</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Switzerland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Liechtenstein (LIE)</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Liechtenstein (LIE)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Austria</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Liechtenstein (LIE)</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Italy</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>San Marino (SMR)</border>
      <border>Vatican City (VAT)</border>
      <border>Sicily</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>San Marino (SMR)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Vatican City (VAT)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sardinia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Balearics</border>
      <border>Corsica</border>
      <border>Sicily</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sicily</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Malta</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Malta</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sicily</border>
      <border>Crete</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Slovenia (SVN)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Croatia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Croatia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Serbia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Montenegro (MNE)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Bosnia & Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Albania (ALB)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Macedonia (MKD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Bulgaria</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Greece</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Crete</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Crete</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Malta</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Cyprus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Cyprus</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Crete</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Czech Republic</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Poland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Kaliningrad (KGD)</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Slovakia (SVK)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Hungary</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Romania</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Moldova</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Moldova</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Ukraine</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Moldova</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border></border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Belarus</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Estonia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Latvia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Estonia</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Lithuania</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Kaliningrad (KGD)</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Kaliningrad (KGD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Russia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
      <border>Estonia</border>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Georgia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Azerbaijan</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Armenia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Turkey</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Cyprus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>


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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Thezzaruz on Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:35 pm

I agree with option "C", seems to be popular. :)


But I still think the "transcontinental" +4 bonus should be +3 instead. 5 territs with just 2 borders just seems like such a game winner at +4 to me.

The +3 for "italic states" could be a +2 too. smr and vat is an extra pain to conquer perhaps but "italic states" really is the same as benelux/hellenic/baltics in everything else.
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby MrBenn on Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:42 pm

Thezzaruz wrote:I agree with option "C", seems to be popular. :)

But I still think the "transcontinental" +4 bonus should be +3 instead. 5 territs with just 2 borders just seems like such a game winner at +4 to me.

Did you realise that Kaliningrad is included in the transcontinental region?

Thezzaruz wrote:The +3 for "italic states" could be a +2 too. smr and vat is an extra pain to conquer perhaps but "italic states" really is the same as benelux/hellenic/baltics in everything else.

Hmmm....
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby InkL0sed on Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:16 pm

Just out of curiosity - was there another controversy about Georgia, or did no one try to argue for the existence of two more territories?
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby ZeakCytho on Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:30 pm

If there's no Kosovo, then we can't put S. Ossetia and Abkhazia. If we do put Kosovo in, then both of those need to go in.

But honestly, another controvery would require another look at the gameplay, and it just isn't worth it. Keep the territories as they are now.
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby MrBenn on Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:55 pm

InkL0sed wrote:Just out of curiosity - was there another controversy about Georgia, or did no one try to argue for the existence of two more territories?

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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby InkL0sed on Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:01 pm

MrBenn wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:Just out of curiosity - was there another controversy about Georgia, or did no one try to argue for the existence of two more territories?

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Just wondering... 8-[
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby MrBenn on Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:13 pm

On a more serious note, nobody made a fuss about it - possibly due to the lack of concerned Serbians (I mean Georgians)

While on the subject of territories, this map has 61; this means that for 3-6 players, there will be 1 starting neutral, and for 7-8 players, there will be 5 starting neutrals. In a 4 player game, there will be 15 starting terrs per team, and in a 5 player there will be 12.

With this in mind, I'm considering starting a couple of territories neutral - in order to minimise the possible imbalance caused by starting first and knocking down your opponents territory bonus.

My proposed starting neutrals could be:
    Switzerland - the most neutral country in Europe!
    Kaliningrad - prevents somebody getting the Motherland bonus from the drop
    Belgium - Blocks the Benelux bonus, without disrupting movement between other continents
    Cyprus - Blocks the Hellenics bonus
I could add one more, but 57 is a better number for 3-player games than 56.

Any thoughts/suggestions?
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby yeti_c on Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:56 am

I believe 57 is one of the "golden" numbers - so I'd stick with that.

Your neutral starts sound good to me.

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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Thezzaruz on Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:37 am

MrBenn wrote:
Thezzaruz wrote:But I still think the "transcontinental" +4 bonus should be +3 instead. 5 territs with just 2 borders just seems like such a game winner at +4 to me.

Did you realise that Kaliningrad is included in the transcontinental region?


Yep, for an extra +1 bonus.

I'm just worried that it will make for a really dominant strategy that would make the map less interesting to play.
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby MrBenn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:30 am

Thezzaruz wrote:
MrBenn wrote:
Thezzaruz wrote:But I still think the "transcontinental" +4 bonus should be +3 instead. 5 territs with just 2 borders just seems like such a game winner at +4 to me.

Did you realise that Kaliningrad is included in the transcontinental region?


Yep, for an extra +1 bonus.

I'm just worried that it will make for a really dominant strategy that would make the map less interesting to play.


You can't get the Transcontinental bonus without Kaliningrad...
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<continent>
   <name>Transcontinental Europe</name>
     <bonus>4</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
       <territory>Georgia</territory>
       <territory>Azerbaijan</territory>
       <territory>Armenia</territory>
       <territory>Turkey</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Motherland</name>
     <bonus>1</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Androidz on Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:44 am

MrBenn wrote:
Thezzaruz wrote:
MrBenn wrote:
Thezzaruz wrote:But I still think the "transcontinental" +4 bonus should be +3 instead. 5 territs with just 2 borders just seems like such a game winner at +4 to me.

Did you realise that Kaliningrad is included in the transcontinental region?


Yep, for an extra +1 bonus.

I'm just worried that it will make for a really dominant strategy that would make the map less interesting to play.


You can't get the Transcontinental bonus without Kaliningrad...
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<continent>
   <name>Transcontinental Europe</name>
     <bonus>4</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
       <territory>Georgia</territory>
       <territory>Azerbaijan</territory>
       <territory>Armenia</territory>
       <territory>Turkey</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Motherland</name>
     <bonus>1</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
   </components>



Hmm aint transcondinal to hard to hold then for a4+ bonus:S?
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby yeti_c on Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:51 am

Androidz wrote:Hmm aint transcondinal to hard to hold then for a4+ bonus:S?


No - cos it's actually a +5.

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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Androidz on Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:53 am

yeti_c wrote:
Androidz wrote:Hmm aint transcondinal to hard to hold then for a4+ bonus:S?


No - cos it's actually a +5.

C.


hehe forgot about tht one;). Thx yeti;)

But KgD might be to hard to hold since if you elimnate that you.

1. kill motherland bonus.
2. Kill transcondinal bonus.

So +1 should be autodeployed on kgd i think. or i dunno.

Also transe borders alot of terretories from diffrent continents. hmm.
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby yeti_c on Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:55 am

Androidz wrote:
yeti_c wrote:
Androidz wrote:Hmm aint transcondinal to hard to hold then for a4+ bonus:S?


No - cos it's actually a +5.

C.


hehe forgot about tht one;). Thx yeti;)

But KgD might be to hard to hold since if you elimnate that you.

1. kill motherland bonus.
2. Kill transcondinal bonus.

So +1 should be autodeployed on kgd i think. or i dunno.

Also transe borders alot of terretories from diffrent continents. hmm.


Auto deploy only happens on 1 territory - can't be for if you hold russia + KGD.

That's part of the strategy - you have to defend KGD Well. - But if you hold that - you might lose Trans elsewhere - and keep motherland.

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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby Androidz on Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:00 am

yeti_c wrote:
Androidz wrote:
yeti_c wrote:
Androidz wrote:Hmm aint transcondinal to hard to hold then for a4+ bonus:S?


No - cos it's actually a +5.

C.


hehe forgot about tht one;). Thx yeti;)

But KgD might be to hard to hold since if you elimnate that you.

1. kill motherland bonus.
2. Kill transcondinal bonus.

So +1 should be autodeployed on kgd i think. or i dunno.

Also transe borders alot of terretories from diffrent continents. hmm.


Auto deploy only happens on 1 territory - can't be for if you hold russia + KGD.

That's part of the strategy - you have to defend KGD Well. - But if you hold that - you might lose Trans elsewhere - and keep motherland.

C.


True, but we will see if its a problem when the map comes out eh:). I just have a bad feeling about it, but that just me=)
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Re: Europa [Final Forge] ***Update on p1/51***

Postby MrBenn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:55 pm

Updated XML

XML version 1
    Here's my first ever attempt at some XML...
    I haven't put in any coordinates yet, and the large image size is empty; other than that, I'm hoping I've got all the borders and continents right :?:
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    Updated the XML using the "Albania (ALB)" syntax for abbreviated country names.

XML version 3
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<map>
   <title>Europa</title>
   <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>500</smallheight>
   <largewidth>630</largewidth>
   <largeheight>500</largeheight>
   <filetype>jpg</filetype>


<continent>
   <name>Scandinavia</name>
     <bonus>4</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Greenland</territory>
       <territory>Iceland</territory>
       <territory>Faroe Islands</territory>
       <territory>Norway</territory>
       <territory>Sweden</territory>
       <territory>Finland</territory>
       <territory>Denmark</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the British Isles</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Scotland</territory>
       <territory>Northern Ireland</territory>
       <territory>Republic of Ireland</territory>
       <territory>Wales</territory>
       <territory>England</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Western Europe</name>
     <bonus>5</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Portugal</territory>
       <territory>Spain</territory>
       <territory>Gibraltar</territory>
       <territory>Balearics</territory>
       <territory>Andorra</territory>
       <territory>France</territory>
       <territory>Monaco</territory>
       <territory>Corsica</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Benelux</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Belgium</territory>
       <territory>Netherlands (NLD)</territory>
       <territory>Luxembourg (LUX)</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Central Europe</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Germany</territory>
       <territory>Switzerland</territory>
       <territory>Liechtenstein (LIE)</territory>
       <territory>Austria</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Italic States</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Italy</territory>
       <territory>San Marino (SMR)</territory>
       <territory>Vatican City (VAT)</territory>
       <territory>Sardinia</territory>
       <territory>Sicily</territory>
       <territory>Malta</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Balkan States</name>
     <bonus>5</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Slovenia (SVN)</territory>
       <territory>Croatia</territory>
       <territory>Bosnia and Herzegovina (BIH)</territory>
       <territory>Serbia</territory>
       <territory>Montenegro (MNE)</territory>
       <territory>Albania (ALB)</territory>
       <territory>Macedonia (MKD)</territory>
       <territory>Bulgaria</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Hellenics</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Greece</territory>
       <territory>Crete</territory>
       <territory>Cyprus</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Eastern Europe</name>
     <bonus>6</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Czech Republic</territory>
       <territory>Poland</territory>
       <territory>Slovakia (SVK)</territory>
       <territory>Hungary</territory>
       <territory>Romania</territory>
       <territory>Moldova</territory>
       <territory>Ukraine</territory>
       <territory>Belarus</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Baltics</name>
     <bonus>2</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Estonia</territory>
       <territory>Latvia</territory>
       <territory>Lithuania</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Transcontinental Europe</name>
     <bonus>4</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
       <territory>Georgia</territory>
       <territory>Azerbaijan</territory>
       <territory>Armenia</territory>
       <territory>Turkey</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>the Motherland</name>
     <bonus>1</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Kaliningrad (KGD)</territory>
       <territory>Russia</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>any 5 Mediterranean Islands</name>
     <bonus>3</bonus>
     <components>
       <territory>Balearics</territory>
       <territory>Corsica</territory>
       <territory>Sardinia</territory>
       <territory>Sicily</territory>
       <territory>Malta</territory>
       <territory>Crete</territory>
       <territory>Cyprus</territory>
   </components>
   <required>5</required>
</continent>



<territory>
   <name>Greenland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Iceland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Greenland</border>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Norway</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Faroe Islands</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
      <border>Denmark</border>
      <border>Scotland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Norway</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Iceland</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sweden</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
      <border>Denmark</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Finland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Denmark</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Sweden</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border></border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Scotland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Faroe Islands</border>
      <border>Northern Ireland</border>
      <border>England</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Northern Ireland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Scotland</border>
      <border>Republic of Ireland</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Republic of Ireland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Northern Ireland</border>
      <border>Wales</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Wales</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Republic of Ireland</border>
      <border>England</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>England</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Scotland</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Portugal</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Spain</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Portugal</border>
      <border>Gibraltar</border>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Balearics</border>
      <border>Andorra</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Gibraltar</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Balearics</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Andorra</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>France</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Spain</border>
      <border>Andorra</border>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Monaco</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Monaco</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Corsica</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Corsica</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Monaco</border>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Belgium</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>France</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Netherlands (NLD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>England</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Luxembourg (LUX)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Germany</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Denmark</border>
      <border>Belgium</border>
      <border>Netherlands (NLD)</border>
      <border>Luxembourg (LUX)</border>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Switzerland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Liechtenstein (LIE)</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Liechtenstein (LIE)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Austria</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Switzerland</border>
      <border>Liechtenstein (LIE)</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Italy</name>
   <borders>
      <border>France</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>San Marino (SMR)</border>
      <border>Vatican City (VAT)</border>
      <border>Sicily</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>San Marino (SMR)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Vatican City (VAT)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sardinia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Balearics</border>
      <border>Corsica</border>
      <border>Sicily</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Sicily</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sardinia</border>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Malta</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Malta</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Sicily</border>
      <border>Crete</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Slovenia (SVN)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Croatia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Croatia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Bosnia and Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Bosnia and Herzegovina (BIH)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Serbia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Bosnia and Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Montenegro (MNE)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Bosnia and Herzegovina (BIH)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Albania (ALB)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Montenegro (MNE)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Macedonia (MKD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Bulgaria</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Serbia</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Greece</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Italy</border>
      <border>Albania (ALB)</border>
      <border>Macedonia (MKD)</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Crete</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Crete</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Malta</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Cyprus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Cyprus</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Crete</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Czech Republic</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Germany</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Poland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Kaliningrad (KGD)</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Slovakia (SVK)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Hungary</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Austria</border>
      <border>Slovenia (SVN)</border>
      <border>Croatia</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Czech Republic</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Romania</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Moldova</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Moldova</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Ukraine</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Moldova</border>
      <border>Romania</border>
      <border>Hungary</border>
      <border>Slovakia (SVK)</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border></border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Belarus</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Estonia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Latvia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Estonia</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Lithuania</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Kaliningrad (KGD)</border>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Kaliningrad (KGD)</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Poland</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Lithuania</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Russia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norway</border>
      <border>Finland</border>
      <border>Estonia</border>
      <border>Latvia</border>
      <border>Belarus</border>
      <border>Ukraine</border>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Georgia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Azerbaijan</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Russia</border>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Armenia</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Turkey</border>
   </borders>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Turkey</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Georgia</border>
      <border>Armenia</border>
      <border>Azerbaijan</border>
      <border>Bulgaria</border>
      <border>Greece</border>
      <border>Cyprus</border>
   </borders>
</territory>


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