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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby mibi on Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:25 pm

nice work benn, i bet this will be a popular map.
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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby MrBenn on Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:31 pm

mibi wrote:nice work benn, i bet this will be a popular map.

Thanks mibi ;-)

ZeakCytho wrote:
HardAttack wrote:there is a place coded with 'kgd' brown region at the west side of greenn region...is that region a part of transcontinental brown lands ? should we occupy 'kgd' in order to get region bonus from transcontinental region ? (the brown region) ...
nice looking map, thanks to those who put sugar, wheat anything on this nice cake...delicious it looks....


Kgd (Kalingrad) is necessary to have the Transcontinental bonus. In addition, you get a +1 for holding Kgd and Russia (motherland bonus).

Thanks Zeak.

It's also worth pointing out that San Marino (SMR) and Vatican City (VAT) can only attack/be attacked by Italy.

Additionally, it's worth looking out for the Med Islands bonus ;-)
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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby DukeToshiro on Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:44 pm

What is the point of this map? We already have a Europe map that works/looks better.
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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby edbeard on Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:00 pm

DukeToshiro wrote:What is the point of this map? We already have a Europe map that works/looks better.


The point was to get a map of Europe that didn't have parts of Africa in it and one that had sensible continents in terms of names and groupings compared to real life.

It's clearly different in terms of gameplay so another 'Europe' map is fine.
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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby Aussierager on Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:00 pm

MrBenn wrote:
mibi wrote:nice work benn, i bet this will be a popular map.

Thanks mibi ;-)

ZeakCytho wrote:
HardAttack wrote:there is a place coded with 'kgd' brown region at the west side of greenn region...is that region a part of transcontinental brown lands ? should we occupy 'kgd' in order to get region bonus from transcontinental region ? (the brown region) ...
nice looking map, thanks to those who put sugar, wheat anything on this nice cake...delicious it looks....


Kgd (Kalingrad) is necessary to have the Transcontinental bonus. In addition, you get a +1 for holding Kgd and Russia (motherland bonus).

Thanks Zeak.

It's also worth pointing out that San Marino (SMR) and Vatican City (VAT) can only attack/be attacked by Italy.

Additionally, it's worth looking out for the Med Islands bonus ;-)


I need to ask if the above is correct about SMR and VAT only being able to be attacked from ITALY?

I would have thought that either FRANCE or SVN(Slovenia) would be able to attack SMR as these are adjoining territories!
And Isn't it true in real life that GERMANY in the WWII 'Threatened' ITALY to join them because as we know GERMANY had a HUGE Tank Army and EASY access to ITALY's North via what was then a part of Greece?

And also near the end once ITALY had taken heavy losses and threatened to bail out that Germany then moved TANKS to southern france under the pretext of building defences against the allies when it was actually a threat to ITALY that if they in 44' decided to pull out germany knew they would lose so vowed to take out ITALY. And tanks then couldn't go over mountains.

So perhaps its not as true a map if the north of italy cant be attacked from, or attack to, France or Germany/Greece(Now Known As Slovenkia).

Fix This and i will play the map for sure as its HEAPS better than the other Euro Maps.

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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby mibi on Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:00 pm

DukeToshiro wrote:What is the point of this map? We already have a Europe map that works/looks better.


the old europe is hideous. Have you ever been the blue player on that map? Disaster.
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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby yeti_c on Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:46 am

DukeToshiro wrote:What is the point of this map? We already have a Europe map that works/looks better.


Completely disagree on both points.

a) This map looks better.
b) This map plays better.
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c) This map is of "Europe".

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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby saaimen on Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:16 am

Aussierager wrote:I need to ask if the above is correct about SMR and VAT only being able to be attacked from ITALY?

It's correct. The mapmaker himself wrote it. Don't doubt it.
Aussierager wrote:I would have thought that either FRANCE or SVN(Slovenia) would be able to attack SMR as these are adjoining territories!

Neither France, nor Slovenia are neighbours to San Marino. They are neighbours to Italy. But could they invade San Marino or Vatican in real life without going through Italy? No, they couldn't. So yes, only Italy can attack SMR and VAT, and vice versa.
Aussierager wrote:And Isn't it true in real life that GERMANY in the WWII 'Threatened' ITALY to join them because as we know GERMANY had a HUGE Tank Army and EASY access to ITALY's North via what was then a part of Greece?
And also near the end once ITALY had taken heavy losses and threatened to bail out that Germany then moved TANKS to southern france under the pretext of building defences against the allies when it was actually a threat to ITALY that if they in 44' decided to pull out germany knew they would lose so vowed to take out ITALY. And tanks then couldn't go over mountains.

Even if all that were true, would it matter? It's not a WWII map. In WWII, the baltic states weren't split up. Belarus didn't exist, aswell as alb, mne, bih and so on (EX-Yugoslavia... so there's no Yugoslavia. As there are no German tanks now, on this map).
Aussierager wrote:So perhaps its not as true a map if the north of italy cant be attacked from, or attack to, France or Germany/Greece(Now Known As Slovenkia).

The north of Italy CAN be attacked from France and vice versa. And oh, in real life, there are also mountains between Italy and Germany: the Alps. And 2 countries even lie between them: Switzerland and Austria. Maybe if you look closely, you might see those on the map. And Slovenkia (which is in fact Slovenia, a real life country too) does now not belong to neither Germany nor Greece. So you can't attack Italy from Germany. But hey, you CAN attack Italy from Greece. There's a route over the Mediterranean, which is ALSO on the map. And no, that's not the north of Italy, but if you really wanted to, you could always go through Slovenia. [/quote]
Aussierager wrote:Fix This and i will play the map for sure as its HEAPS better than the other Euro Maps.
My 2 Cents worth

It already is a lot better and needs no fixing. If you don't play it because of your silly remarks, then don't. I won't mind.
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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby Lord Dalley on Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:21 pm

Hi...I like the look of this new map well done...it's got a colourful striking look which suits my tastes! :D
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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby Halmir on Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:50 pm

I like the look, nice and crisp (and besides, I couldn't resist a topic that runs to 58 pages already lol!)
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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby MrBenn on Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:36 pm

Thanks for the compliments :oops: Flattery will get you everywhere ;-)

Has anybody seen anybody take the Motherland bonus? I'm wondering if Kaliningrad needs to start neutral?
I'm also having my doubts about Switzerland starting neutral, as I'm not sure I've seen anyone take it yet?

Any thoughts?
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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby ZeakCytho on Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:50 pm

MrBenn wrote:Thanks for the compliments :oops: Flattery will get you everywhere ;-)

Has anybody seen anybody take the Motherland bonus? I'm wondering if Kaliningrad needs to start neutral?
I'm also having my doubts about Switzerland starting neutral, as I'm not sure I've seen anyone take it yet?

Any thoughts?


In all of my games, the motherland has not yet come into play. Then again, I think you're in all of the games I'm in :lol:
What was the point of having Switzerland start neutral again?
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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby MrBenn on Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:50 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:
MrBenn wrote:Has anybody seen anybody take the Motherland bonus? I'm wondering if Kaliningrad needs to start neutral?
I'm also having my doubts about Switzerland starting neutral, as I'm not sure I've seen anyone take it yet?

Any thoughts?

In all of my games, the motherland has not yet come into play. Then again, I think you're in all of the games I'm in :lol:
What was the point of having Switzerland start neutral again?

Switzerland is the most politically neutral country in Europe, so it was something of a whim - although the number of neutral starts was planned to take away some of the bias from starting with 15 terrs on the first turn, for example.

-I'm contemplating reducing the neutral starts (Kaliningrad, Belgium, Cyprus and Switzerland) to 2 armies instead of 3, but am not too sure about it.
-Perhaps starting Russia neutral would be better than Kaliningrad?
-The Baltics is currently droppable, should that be blocked with a neutral instead of Switzerland? But then if you start there you've got 2 neutrals close together to get a bonus
Hmmm...
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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby ZeakCytho on Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:52 pm

MrBenn wrote:
ZeakCytho wrote:
MrBenn wrote:Has anybody seen anybody take the Motherland bonus? I'm wondering if Kaliningrad needs to start neutral?
I'm also having my doubts about Switzerland starting neutral, as I'm not sure I've seen anyone take it yet?

Any thoughts?

In all of my games, the motherland has not yet come into play. Then again, I think you're in all of the games I'm in :lol:
What was the point of having Switzerland start neutral again?

Switzerland is the most politically neutral country in Europe, so it was something of a whim - although the number of neutral starts was planned to take away some of the bias from starting with 15 terrs on the first turn, for example.

-I'm contemplating reducing the neutral starts (Kaliningrad, Belgium, Cyprus and Switzerland) to 2 armies instead of 3, but am not too sure about it.
-Perhaps starting Russia neutral would be better than Kaliningrad?
-The Baltics is currently droppable, should that be blocked with a neutral instead of Switzerland? But then if you start there you've got 2 neutrals close together to get a bonus
Hmmm...


I'd keep the neutrals at 3, have Russia, Belgium, Cyprus, and one of the Baltics start neutral. I'm indifferent about Switzerland. If it makes the starting territory number better, keep it neutral.
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Re: Europa [Quenched]

Postby MrBenn on Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:50 pm

I'll see how some more of my games pan out before tinkering... but I'm inclined to shift the neutral locations rather than alter the army sizes...
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