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Postby cairnswk on Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:07 am

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Postby cairnswk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:58 pm

Version 5

This adds a realistic image of an underwater ledge behind the legend to give appearance of the whole map being underwater cells.

Good, bad, indifferent....and thoughts?

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Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:43 pm

Hm, well lets see...

I like the idea behind this map. It's unique...something I never expected to see.

The colors in this map are intense, as most of your maps are. I like it. Though it may be a little too bright and green in the top right corner.

The new legend background looks like it clashes with the brightness in the rest of the map. I also liked the seperation of the legend from the game board...with the new version it is difficult to determine that. I'm not sure I prefer the older legend, but it seemed closer to fitting I think.

For the most part I like the images you have on the map, except for perhaps the sailboat image. It seems a little out of place...at least those on the right side of the map (the ones that seem to have more white).

Lastly, in the text in the upper left hand corner, it may be more proper to say "...natural treasures as you can for naturalists to record." ...as the term botanist just refers to plants, while naturalist refers to both plants and animals. :)


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Postby cairnswk on Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:13 am

AndyDufresne wrote:Hm, well lets see...

I like the idea behind this map. It's unique...something I never expected to see.
Wow, thanks Andy. :)

The colors in this map are intense, as most of your maps are. I like it. Though it may be a little too bright and green in the top right corner.

Yes still working on the top right corner to reduce the green....and find more appropriate tones for the underwater appearance.

The new legend background looks like it clashes with the brightness in the rest of the map. I also liked the seperation of the legend from the game board...with the new version it is difficult to determine that. I'm not sure I prefer the older legend, but it seemed closer to fitting I think.

Yes i think the background fits, but i will continue to develop this and see what happens with the legend, but i do like the idea of the rock ledge.

For the most part I like the images you have on the map, except for perhaps the sailboat image. It seems a little out of place...at least those on the right side of the map (the ones that seem to have more white).

Uh huh...will fix.

Lastly, in the text in the upper left hand corner, it may be more proper to say "...natural treasures as you can for naturalists to record." ...as the term botanist just refers to plants, while naturalist refers to both plants and animals. :)
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Postby BENJIKAT IS DEAD on Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:22 am

Is the info in the first post correct about the current thinking about starting positions / neutrals?

I hope not, as it basically becomes AoM:might with the castles able to attack each other directly - most definitely not a good thing.
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Postby cairnswk on Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:21 am

BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:Is the info in the first post correct about the current thinking about starting positions / neutrals?

I hope not, as it basically becomes AoM:might with the castles able to attack each other directly - most definitely not a good thing.


well yes and no...not quite...because you have to get water before any bonuses...yes there will be neutrals between all the reefs.
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Postby BENJIKAT IS DEAD on Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:06 am

cairnswk wrote:
BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:Is the info in the first post correct about the current thinking about starting positions / neutrals?

I hope not, as it basically becomes AoM:might with the castles able to attack each other directly - most definitely not a good thing.


well yes and no...not quite...because you have to get water before any bonuses...yes there will be neutrals between all the reefs.



I've spotted the "starts diving" bit now - in the first post it still says that you start with the luggers...
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Postby yeti_c on Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:15 am

Hey Cairns,

Loving this map - and loving the idea of the treasures etc...

Here's a good website I found for others to research (I'm sure you've found it yourself)

http://www.galapagos.org/

With some piccies...

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Postby DiM on Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:16 am

the new legend is very nice. it naturally flows into the map, i like that.

what i don't like is the fact that some things are harder to see now. like the small text or some of the icons. but this is definitely in the right direction.

one more thing is the pink on the map. it used to be a very light pink but now it's too strong. if you could make it light again it would be sweet.

also could you please put the neutral values on the map so we can analyze the gameplay better?
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Postby FreeMan10 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:25 pm

Maybe move the penguin up in the legend so his feet line up with the bottom of the 'penguin' text. Since he's a vertical element and the others are more horizontal, he doesn't seem to be attached to any of the three quite properly.

Also, the Iguana & Tortoise get a bit lost in the dark background there.
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Postby cairnswk on Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:29 pm

Version 6.

Lots of changes:
1. several layers added to get rid of green in top right corner
2. legend nimals given glow to make stand out
3. botanist changed to naturalist
4. snorkel + water made + 4 in legend rather than lugger + water
5. terts given starting numbers, 10 on reefs, 5 on luggers and 2 neutrals for each other tert.
6. luggers fixed
7. legend more legible i think.

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Postby MrBenn on Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:40 pm

Just have to make sure that people don't get naturalist and naturists confused! :lol:
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Postby cairnswk on Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:13 pm

MrBenn wrote:Just have to make sure that people don't get naturalist and naturists confused! :lol:
Hehehe!

I'ave also added some underwater life to the background...
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Postby gimil on Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:20 pm

The new colors are excellent cairns :)

My only concern for the time being is that the legends text at the top right is difficult to read :(
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Postby cairnswk on Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:28 pm

gimil wrote:The new colors are excellent cairns :)

My only concern for the time being is that the legends text at the top right is difficult to read :(


Thanks Gimil....top left text i'll prob have the backglow.

What about the gameplay??? Any comments?
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Postby militant on Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:00 am

I really like this map, but it is quite confusing, will the -1 be taken away from the snorkel territory or will it just be imposed on bonues and armies received from no. of territorys, and can the luggers attack all over luggers around the map, lastly, isnt reef 5 the best reef to start with because you can attack isabela west immediatly and get a +4 bonus.
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Postby FreeMan10 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:05 am

Wow Cairns! The graphics have taken a huge leap forward - they're looking great! A couple of minor notes:
--the "L" in San Cristobal is sliced in half by at the edge of the map - give it a gentle kick to the west to fix it.
--Lugger Cristocruz could use a slight nudge west to move it away from the map edge, too.
--If there's any way you can sharpen the descriptive text at the top of the legend, that'd be awesome, the rest of the text is readable - that stuff's a bit fuzzy (to me).
--I really like the critter glow in the legend - looks really good.
--Isabela West text disappears into the continental shelf a bit, maybe move it east or lighten the background a bit.

As far as game play, it looks to me like Reef 1 has a huge advantage
--it's fairly isolated (OK, it's totally isolated...)
--the 1st three territs accessible all come with bonuses
--I'd play for Wolf (4) then Darwin (1) then Lugger Wolwin (3) and have a +8 bonus within a round or two (three with nasty dice :()

Reef 2 looks like an OK starting point
--Marchena (1) is immediately available
--Genovesa (4) and Lugger Pintmar (3) are right at hand, too, but they're going to be hotly contested by the person starting at Reef 3

Reef 3 isn't quite as good as Reef 2
--no matter what you do, you're trapped behind a non-bonus territ
--then you get access to Genovesa (4), Lugger Pintmar (3) or Lugger Genocruz (3)
--you're gonna be fighting with Reef 2 for the first 2 territs.

Reef 4 looks pretty good
--Pinzon (1) to Santa Fe(4), then back to Santiago (1) and Lugger Isiago (3) gets you a good bonus start with minimal player fighting

Reef 5 also looks good
--a run through Isabela Island nets you +10 bonus with two water territs with limited initial resistance from other players
--if your path does get blocked, you can retrench to F3, F2, Fernandia (1) and Lugger Fernela (3) plus holding Isabela West (4)

Reef 6 isn't looking quite so hot...
--F1 to Tortuga (4)
--<F1|Tortuga> to F2 to Lugger Tortisa (3)
--F1 to Floreana (2)

Reef 7 looks to be the worst spot to start from
--SC3 to Lugger Cristocruz (3) is the best shot for a bonus
--SC3 to Santa Cruz (1) is a smaller bonus option with the same distance
--SL3 to SL2 to San Cristobal (4 and 1??) is a pretty good option, but you'll be fighting Reef 8 for the privilege, and he's got a shorter path

Reef 8 is OKish...
--Espanola (1) is handy
--SL5 to San Cristobal (5??) has the battle with Reef 7
--Espanola to Lugger Floreola (3) ? or do you have to go thru SL4 - it's really hard to tell

Sorry, I don't have any advice on fixing/balancing this, I just thought I'd point out what I see and let the gurus help you fix 'em! :D

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Postby cairnswk on Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:12 pm

militant wrote:I really like this map,
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but it is quite confusing,
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will the -1 be taken away from the snorkel territory or will it just be imposed on bonues and armies received from no. of territorys,
to mix the spice up, be taken away from the reef

and can the luggers attack all over luggers around the map,
yes

lastly, isnt reef 5 the best reef to start with because you can attack isabela west immediatly and get a +4 bonus.
at this point, yes, but i will swap that water with a treasure.

I have to redo the graphics because i lost the .png file from v6. :oops:
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Re: Graphics & Game Play

Postby cairnswk on Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:00 pm

FreeMan10 wrote:Sorry, I don't have any advice on fixing/balancing this, I just thought I'd point out what I see and let the gurus help you fix 'em! :D

FreeMan10

Thanks FreeMan10 for analaysing this...i am making several changes based on your effort in the new version 6.
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Postby FreeMan10 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:20 pm

cairnswk wrote:I have to redo the graphics because i lost the .png file from v6. :oops:


That image is gone???? AAAARRRFGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!! Did you check your coat pockets, and the back pocket of the jeans you wore last Tuesday? That's usually where I find my lost stuff... Maybe in with the dirty socks?

I really liked that one - hope it's not a major effort to recreate it. It would take me months to get to that point! -10000 Artistic Ability
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Postby yeti_c on Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:21 pm

FreeMan10 wrote:
cairnswk wrote:I have to redo the graphics because i lost the .png file from v6. :oops:


That image is gone???? AAAARRRFGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!! Did you check your coat pockets, and the back pocket of the jeans you wore last Tuesday? That's usually where I find my lost stuff... Maybe in with the dirty socks?

I really liked that one - hope it's not a major effort to recreate it. It would take me months to get to that point! -10000 Artistic Ability


I suspect - it's simply a regeneration of the image... (Pings are the final product) however - with loads of layers it might be hard to remember which layers/settings he had in each place...

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Postby cairnswk on Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:34 pm

yeti_c wrote:
FreeMan10 wrote:
cairnswk wrote:I have to redo the graphics because i lost the .png file from v6. :oops:


That image is gone???? AAAARRRFGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!! Did you check your coat pockets, and the back pocket of the jeans you wore last Tuesday? That's usually where I find my lost stuff... Maybe in with the dirty socks?

I really liked that one - hope it's not a major effort to recreate it. It would take me months to get to that point! -10000 Artistic Ability


I suspect - it's simply a regeneration of the image... (Pings are the final product) however - with loads of layers it might be hard to remember which layers/settings he had in each place...

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No probs guys....there were a few minor changes to linear colour layers for the background and backglows, and a few additions of animals,,,won't take long to recreate... :D :wink:

I lost it becoz i downsized the png file and flattened the layering on the .png file to refresh my signature, and then stupidly saved the flattened reduced version a Version6.png.

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Postby FreeMan10 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:44 pm

Whew!

I've lost a few files in my day, and it's never been that simple to recover...

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Postby cairnswk on Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:27 pm

FreeMan10 wrote:Whew!

I've lost a few files in my day, and it's never been that simple to recover...

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Here is the recovered Version 6...now Version 7.
There is a few small changes....but i think the main elements of V6 are retained.

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Postby DiM on Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:33 pm

i can't see the image :(

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