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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:56 amby wicked
yeti_c wrote:wicked wrote:Actually I am. The black ones you did were too dark. What I prefer is what I posted. What I'd settle for is something close to that. "Do nothing" should always be an alternative.
Well saying that would've been better than being an arse about it.
C.
Don't be so touchy.
I was putting the pic up for comparison purposes.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:58 amby wicked
Ruben Cassar wrote:I just cannot understand why the will of the majority is being ignored and why it all had to boil down to this. The changes were unpopular, one cannot ignore that.
Oh you're far from being ignored. Hasn't everything we've said been a testament to that? There's a lot going on behind the scenes, and I suspect we may hear something (at least an update) tomorrow (or later today depending on your time zone).
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:02 amby yeti_c
wicked wrote:yeti_c wrote:wicked wrote:Actually I am. The black ones you did were too dark. What I prefer is what I posted. What I'd settle for is something close to that. "Do nothing" should always be an alternative.
Well saying that would've been better than being an arse about it.
C.
Don't be so touchy.
I was putting the pic up for comparison purposes.
Anyway...
I tweaked the ones in North America... that better?
C.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:22 amby T7
Thanks for the effort yeti_c, it's great to see someone being so productive and trying to find the *best* answer according to consensus.
But I'm afriad I agree with Wicked - the original dots are superior to all the options on your 'range of dots' post, in my opinion.
Of the dots on your 'range of dots' map, I prefer Australia. Africa and South America are too solid already.
If North America were lighter, that'd be great - but that is essentially what the original dots are.
Like I said, the original dots were fine.
For me, the other big issue is the "neon sign" key on the bottom left of the screen for people who can't work out where South America is... the old one was better.
Just wanted to give you some actual feedback yeti_c. Thanks for putting in the effort, appreciated.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:24 amby yeti_c
T7 wrote:I prefer Australia.
I really liked Aus actually too - although I have a feeling that the army numbers won't stand out well enough against them.
So here's some numbers on the image...
C.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:33 amby Ruben Cassar
I think that to make a proper comparison we need to have the same army shadows for all the map because it also depends on the continent's colour.
i.e. show us 4 maps each with the 4 different army shadows including armies.
P.S. I have problems reading that 5 in Indonesia.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:47 amby T7
Thanks yeti_c. Now that I see it with numbers on it, Australia doesn't work so well - like Ruben said, the grey doesn't show well against it at all.
I think the whole white dot concept is fundamentally flawed.
North America, however, looks great. It's easy to read and it doesn't interfere with the asthetics of the map.
I would settle for North America's dots - and that's coming from a die-hard "bring back the original map" guy.
What does everyone else think?
Thanks again yeti_c.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:58 amby firstholliday
N amerika looks good.
the rest does not..
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:27 amby 0ojakeo0
firstholliday wrote:N amerika looks good.
the rest does not..
agreed i hate the shadow in theback
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:21 amby MajorRT
Yeti, def. darker circles are better....N.A. dots (dark gray) are the best. Can the yellow army numbers be brightened or neoned to stand out from silver and white/neutral?
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:22 amby BeakerWMA
Freetymes wrote:I am still not sure if this is a place to say something that will not get lost in all of the hate and anger posts (some mine) about the change to the classic map, but here goes.
Please consider that very few of the members of this site come to the forums and even fewer venture into cartography. Consider if you will how hard life in this area would be if everybody felt the need to check in every day and give you their opinion on your work? So be careful what you ask for. I have no idea if there has been a cry for change or not. What I am sure of is that you and your work would have been better served by opening up a dialog about this change to the general population prior to installing it. Few people like change of any kind, good or bad. No one likes it thrust upon them unaware of its coming. Even worse is changing the original and seemingly most liked and played map. I think, as I said, you have done yourself and your community a disservice and for my part I feel you have ruined what has been my favorite map.
Please, please change it back or at the very least allow it to be toggled back to the original version. I and others have compared what you have done to the change Coke made once upon a time... Both changes show failures, of those in power to make these changes, to understand that good or perceived bad you do not change the original.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:37 amby yeti_c
MajorRT wrote:Yeti, def. darker circles are better....N.A. dots (dark gray) are the best. Can the yellow army numbers be brightened or neoned to stand out from silver and white/neutral?
Can't change the numbers - then they won't fit on other maps.
C.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:43 amby T7
I'm pretty sure the army colour codes has been under a lot of work and development in the recent past - probably best to leave that for the moment so we're not complicating things by discussing two elements at once.
You're right though, the army codes might need a little tweaking once this map situation is sorted.
Cheers.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:14 amby norsemsn1066
Wouldn't it be possible to have two available? The old code and the new code? As a side note what about an option in your Control panel or Game options for people, like myself that cannot see the armies on the map, for a sight impared verson that shows the first letter of the colour and then the # of armies in the territory just in white on a black background/circle? I think this would satisfy both groups but not being a programmer I'm not sure if this is possible but I'm throwing it into the ring anyway.
Thank you for your time and attention.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:22 pmby jiminski
yeti_c wrote:T7 wrote:I prefer Australia.
I really liked Aus actually too - although I have a feeling that the army numbers won't stand out well enough against them.
So here's some numbers on the image...
C.
Europe Seems to be the worst affected due to territory size ..
i think someone said this before but could we see various maps with the same 'Dish' option on each territory?
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:07 pmby yeti_c
jiminski wrote:yeti_c wrote:T7 wrote:I prefer Australia.
I really liked Aus actually too - although I have a feeling that the army numbers won't stand out well enough against them.
So here's some numbers on the image...
C.
Europe Seems to be the worst affected due to territory size ..
i think someone said this before but could we see various maps with the same 'Dish' option on each territory?
If I get time... or until some better versions come along... but these are nowhere near good enough options - I'm just trying to see what people would like instead...
C.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pmby firstholliday
If I get time... or until some better versions come along... but these are nowhere near good enough options - I'm just trying to see what people would like instead...
now thats pretty easy.... people would like their map back....
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:35 pmby Ruben Cassar
Yeti, looking at the last map you put on I think the only problem with the new map is the army shadows.
Can you try using the same army shadows that were used for the original Classic? I think that should solve the problem once and for all.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:24 pmby yeti_c
Ruben Cassar wrote:Yeti, looking at the last map you put on I think the only problem with the new map is the army shadows.
Can you try using the same army shadows that were used for the original Classic? I think that should solve the problem once and for all.
I tried to replicate them on North America...
However - the old shadows just aren't going to cut it - the Shadows were changed for a reason... so as to make it easier to see the army numbers on similar colour continents - most specifically Blue on Europe...
C.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:25 pmby yeti_c
firstholliday wrote:now thats pretty easy.... people would like their map back....
We ALL know that this isn't going to happen.
Now move on and start being part of the solution - and not part of the problem.
C.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:35 pmby Buba
The problem is with the white circles. So I propose one of the following changes:
1. Make the circles a dark color: Examples would include maps such as USA and South America.
2. Remove circles all together.
Make the colors of the map lighter. Examples include: Portugal and Ireland
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:40 pmby Ruben Cassar
yeti_c wrote:Ruben Cassar wrote:Yeti, looking at the last map you put on I think the only problem with the new map is the army shadows.
Can you try using the same army shadows that were used for the original Classic? I think that should solve the problem once and for all.
I tried to replicate them on North America...
However - the old shadows just aren't going to cut it - the Shadows were changed for a reason... so as to make it easier to see the army numbers on similar colour continents - most specifically Blue on Europe...
C.
I see. Well the ones in North America are the best so far I think. Maybe if they were slightly darker they would be a bit better.
The ones in Europe which I believe are the ones used in Classic! are the worse so far. They really hurt my eyes.
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:23 pmby Twill
Update on its way....hang in there guys
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:11 pmby Twill
Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:30 pmby delahoc
Okay, here's my two cents' worth. I kicked up a lot of fuss when the map was changed last time (in fact, I think I started the revolt), so I guess I need to comment now.
First - it's good that the territory names are fixed up, and that the army numbers don't appear over the top of them.
Second - white as a background ... hmmm ... In the poll, I voted for one of the white options, but my previous comment (in the initial discussions) about the white background still stands. A white background actually washes out the colour of objects in top of it, and colours that are close to begin with (such as the green and blue used for army numbers here) become very hard to differentiate. That's my biggest problem - in some light conditions, the white background makes it hard for me to tell the difference between blue armies and green armies. I voted for one of the paler white options for that reason. A black background actually makes the colours bolder than they otherwise are, so blue and green are easy to tell apart. Having said that, though, the map itself it somewhat dark to begin with, so the black backgrounds just make it darker. I wonder if the entire map could be made lighter in colour? Then the black backgrounds would work better.