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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby BeakerWMA on Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:22 am

Freetymes wrote:I am still not sure if this is a place to say something that will not get lost in all of the hate and anger posts (some mine) about the change to the classic map, but here goes.

Please consider that very few of the members of this site come to the forums and even fewer venture into cartography. Consider if you will how hard life in this area would be if everybody felt the need to check in every day and give you their opinion on your work? So be careful what you ask for. I have no idea if there has been a cry for change or not. What I am sure of is that you and your work would have been better served by opening up a dialog about this change to the general population prior to installing it. Few people like change of any kind, good or bad. No one likes it thrust upon them unaware of its coming. Even worse is changing the original and seemingly most liked and played map. I think, as I said, you have done yourself and your community a disservice and for my part I feel you have ruined what has been my favorite map.

Please, please change it back or at the very least allow it to be toggled back to the original version. I and others have compared what you have done to the change Coke made once upon a time... Both changes show failures, of those in power to make these changes, to understand that good or perceived bad you do not change the original.

Thank you for your time and consideration.
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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby yeti_c on Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:37 am

MajorRT wrote:Yeti, def. darker circles are better....N.A. dots (dark gray) are the best. Can the yellow army numbers be brightened or neoned to stand out from silver and white/neutral?


Can't change the numbers - then they won't fit on other maps.

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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby T7 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:43 am

I'm pretty sure the army colour codes has been under a lot of work and development in the recent past - probably best to leave that for the moment so we're not complicating things by discussing two elements at once.

You're right though, the army codes might need a little tweaking once this map situation is sorted.

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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby norsemsn1066 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:14 am

Wouldn't it be possible to have two available? The old code and the new code? As a side note what about an option in your Control panel or Game options for people, like myself that cannot see the armies on the map, for a sight impared verson that shows the first letter of the colour and then the # of armies in the territory just in white on a black background/circle? I think this would satisfy both groups but not being a programmer I'm not sure if this is possible but I'm throwing it into the ring anyway.

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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby jiminski on Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:22 pm

yeti_c wrote:
T7 wrote:I prefer Australia.


I really liked Aus actually too - although I have a feeling that the army numbers won't stand out well enough against them.

So here's some numbers on the image...
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Europe Seems to be the worst affected due to territory size ..
i think someone said this before but could we see various maps with the same 'Dish' option on each territory?
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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby yeti_c on Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:07 pm

jiminski wrote:
yeti_c wrote:
T7 wrote:I prefer Australia.


I really liked Aus actually too - although I have a feeling that the army numbers won't stand out well enough against them.

So here's some numbers on the image...
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Europe Seems to be the worst affected due to territory size ..
i think someone said this before but could we see various maps with the same 'Dish' option on each territory?


If I get time... or until some better versions come along... but these are nowhere near good enough options - I'm just trying to see what people would like instead...

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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby firstholliday on Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm

If I get time... or until some better versions come along... but these are nowhere near good enough options - I'm just trying to see what people would like instead...


now thats pretty easy.... people would like their map back.... :?
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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby Ruben Cassar on Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:35 pm

Yeti, looking at the last map you put on I think the only problem with the new map is the army shadows.

Can you try using the same army shadows that were used for the original Classic? I think that should solve the problem once and for all.
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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby yeti_c on Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:24 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:Yeti, looking at the last map you put on I think the only problem with the new map is the army shadows.

Can you try using the same army shadows that were used for the original Classic? I think that should solve the problem once and for all.


I tried to replicate them on North America...

However - the old shadows just aren't going to cut it - the Shadows were changed for a reason... so as to make it easier to see the army numbers on similar colour continents - most specifically Blue on Europe...

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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby yeti_c on Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:25 pm

firstholliday wrote:now thats pretty easy.... people would like their map back.... :?


We ALL know that this isn't going to happen.

Now move on and start being part of the solution - and not part of the problem.

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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby Buba on Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:35 pm

The problem is with the white circles. So I propose one of the following changes:

1. Make the circles a dark color: Examples would include maps such as USA and South America.

2. Remove circles all together.
Make the colors of the map lighter. Examples include: Portugal and Ireland
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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby Ruben Cassar on Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:40 pm

yeti_c wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:Yeti, looking at the last map you put on I think the only problem with the new map is the army shadows.

Can you try using the same army shadows that were used for the original Classic? I think that should solve the problem once and for all.


I tried to replicate them on North America...

However - the old shadows just aren't going to cut it - the Shadows were changed for a reason... so as to make it easier to see the army numbers on similar colour continents - most specifically Blue on Europe...

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I see. Well the ones in North America are the best so far I think. Maybe if they were slightly darker they would be a bit better.

The ones in Europe which I believe are the ones used in Classic! are the worse so far. They really hurt my eyes.
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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby Twill on Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:23 pm

Update on its way....hang in there guys :)
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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby Twill on Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:11 pm

Update: head on over to viewtopic.php?f=10&t=48700
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Re: [Official] Classic TOUCH-UP [Quenched]

Postby delahoc on Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:30 pm

Okay, here's my two cents' worth. I kicked up a lot of fuss when the map was changed last time (in fact, I think I started the revolt), so I guess I need to comment now.

First - it's good that the territory names are fixed up, and that the army numbers don't appear over the top of them.

Second - white as a background ... hmmm ... In the poll, I voted for one of the white options, but my previous comment (in the initial discussions) about the white background still stands. A white background actually washes out the colour of objects in top of it, and colours that are close to begin with (such as the green and blue used for army numbers here) become very hard to differentiate. That's my biggest problem - in some light conditions, the white background makes it hard for me to tell the difference between blue armies and green armies. I voted for one of the paler white options for that reason. A black background actually makes the colours bolder than they otherwise are, so blue and green are easy to tell apart. Having said that, though, the map itself it somewhat dark to begin with, so the black backgrounds just make it darker. I wonder if the entire map could be made lighter in colour? Then the black backgrounds would work better.
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