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Postby DiM on Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:28 pm

wcaclimbing wrote:
DiM wrote:btw, are you using a graphic tablet with a pen, or just a simple mouse?
it seems like a pen to me

Im using wacom tablet (one of the small versions). It helps a lot.
makes it pretty easy to draw in all the details and borders.



it shows. looks great.

about the borders. not sure if it will work but how about not drawing them at all? instead just make them embossed in the ground??

i wanted to do that on AoR but it doesn't work well with heavy textures. but you have light nice ones so it might fit well
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Postby whitestazn88 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:49 pm

looking good buddy. keep up the great work, and i think that the desert isnt like bright enough, but its just an opinion
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Postby pepperonibread on Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:56 pm

DiM wrote:
wcaclimbing wrote:
DiM wrote:btw, are you using a graphic tablet with a pen, or just a simple mouse?
it seems like a pen to me

Im using wacom tablet (one of the small versions). It helps a lot.
makes it pretty easy to draw in all the details and borders.



it shows. looks great.

about the borders. not sure if it will work but how about not drawing them at all? instead just make them embossed in the ground??

i wanted to do that on AoR but it doesn't work well with heavy textures. but you have light nice ones so it might fit well


Chiseled bevel & emboss with 0% fill opacity?!?
I'm such a nerd :lol:
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Postby gimil on Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:04 pm

pepperonibread wrote:
DiM wrote:
wcaclimbing wrote:
DiM wrote:btw, are you using a graphic tablet with a pen, or just a simple mouse?
it seems like a pen to me

Im using wacom tablet (one of the small versions). It helps a lot.
makes it pretty easy to draw in all the details and borders.



it shows. looks great.

about the borders. not sure if it will work but how about not drawing them at all? instead just make them embossed in the ground??

i wanted to do that on AoR but it doesn't work well with heavy textures. but you have light nice ones so it might fit well


Chiseled bevel & emboss with 0% fill opacity?!?
I'm such a nerd :lol:


I would go with:

-white boarders
-Bevel & Emboss
-and set the layer mode to multiply.
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Postby bryguy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:32 pm

gimil wrote:
pepperonibread wrote:
DiM wrote:
wcaclimbing wrote:
DiM wrote:btw, are you using a graphic tablet with a pen, or just a simple mouse?
it seems like a pen to me

Im using wacom tablet (one of the small versions). It helps a lot.
makes it pretty easy to draw in all the details and borders.



it shows. looks great.

about the borders. not sure if it will work but how about not drawing them at all? instead just make them embossed in the ground??

i wanted to do that on AoR but it doesn't work well with heavy textures. but you have light nice ones so it might fit well


Chiseled bevel & emboss with 0% fill opacity?!?
I'm such a nerd :lol:


I would go with:

-white boarders
-Bevel & Emboss
-and set the layer mode to multiply.


thats probably what i would do, but with gray boarders
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Postby pepperonibread on Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:43 pm

bryguy wrote:thats probably what i would do, but with gray boarders


With gray borders, you'd get a dark overlay kinda thing over the border... tho maybe that's what you want. The thing I like about the using the fill opacity is that it's easy to adjust how dark you want the borders.
Besides, I'm layer-mode-phobic.
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Postby InkL0sed on Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:44 pm

Wait... what's layer mode? Does that exist in Photoshop 7.0?

I want that tutorial!
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Postby bryguy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:45 pm

pepperonibread wrote:
bryguy wrote:thats probably what i would do, but with gray boarders


With gray borders, you'd get a dark overlay kinda thing over the border... tho maybe that's what you want. The thing I like about the using the fill opacity is that it's easy to adjust how dark you want the borders.
Besides, I'm layer-mode-phobic.


well actually if it were my Empire Builder map i would probably do white, but otherwise grey :)
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Postby pepperonibread on Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:55 pm

InkL0sed wrote:Wait... what's layer mode? Does that exist in Photoshop 7.0?

I want that tutorial!


I'm pretty sure it's on PS 7. I remember it being on 6.0.
These are layer modes:
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Postby InkL0sed on Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:14 pm

pepperonibread wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:Wait... what's layer mode? Does that exist in Photoshop 7.0?

I want that tutorial!


I'm pretty sure it's on PS 7. I remember it being on 6.0.
These are layer modes:
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Oh ok, gotcha.
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Postby baggins994 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:18 pm

the border lines are a bit sloppy, they either aren't long enough are cross the other lines. fix it up
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Postby wcaclimbing on Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:45 pm

baggins994 wrote:the border lines are a bit sloppy, they either aren't long enough are cross the other lines. fix it up


wcaclimbing wrote:Stuff to do:
clean up borders
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move a few borders
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Pay attention man!
I already mentioned that in the same post where I posted the image (and also on the first post).

Anyway, I am in the process of re-drawing all of the borders in the desert. the ones on the most recent update were pretty rushed, more to just show what it would be in the end. The next update will have them looking much better, as well as having all/most of the oases graphics finished.
The next update after that will hopefully include Territory names.

Before too long, we will have to decide if this map needs army circles or not. I think I am leaning more towards having no army circles, because the circles would cover up the visuals a lot. What do the rest of you think?
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Postby InkL0sed on Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:49 pm

Army circles might work if you do them subtly, like gimil did in his Feudal War revamp.
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Postby Itrade on Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:36 am

Instead of just making holding the Grand Oasis an instant win, perhaps it should give you a massive amount of armies? It would cut down complaints that you're plagiarizing DiM.
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Postby wcaclimbing on Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:44 pm

Itrade wrote:Instead of just making holding the Grand Oasis an instant win, perhaps it should give you a massive amount of armies? It would cut down complaints that you're plagiarizing DiM.

This is the first time I've seen anyone complain that I might be copying DiM.
How am I plagiarizing DiM with this? This and AoR are completely different maps. AoR you hold one country for a single turn. here you hold 3.
Are you saying that every map that has a "hold X to win the game" objective will be plagiarizing DiM, just because he did it first?

Thats like saying "oh noes! u plagarized the classic map cause you have to take over the world to win!" to pretty much every other map on here. sounds kinda rediculous, don't you think?

Grand oasis for one turn=instant win. That is not changing.
Capture the treasure and win the game. Thats how this map works.

----note to all: expect the next update some time next week. I don't have much time to work on it on school days, and Prom is this weekend, so I'll be busy pretty much all of the weekend. I'll get little bits done here and there, and it will eventually be ready. just be patient :wink:
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Postby InkL0sed on Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:39 pm

wcaclimbing wrote:
Itrade wrote:Instead of just making holding the Grand Oasis an instant win, perhaps it should give you a massive amount of armies? It would cut down complaints that you're plagiarizing DiM.

This is the first time I've seen anyone complain that I might be copying DiM.
How am I plagiarizing DiM with this? This and AoR are completely different maps. AoR you hold one country for a single turn. here you hold 3.
Are you saying that every map that has a "hold X to win the game" objective will be plagiarizing DiM, just because he did it first?

Thats like saying "oh noes! u plagarized the classic map cause you have to take over the world to win!" to pretty much every other map on here. sounds kinda rediculous, don't you think?

Grand oasis for one turn=instant win. That is not changing.
Capture the treasure and win the game. Thats how this map works.

----note to all: expect the next update some time next week. I don't have much time to work on it on school days, and Prom is this weekend, so I'll be busy pretty much all of the weekend. I'll get little bits done here and there, and it will eventually be ready. just be patient :wink:


You have Prom... this weekend? Isn't that kinda early?
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Postby gimil on Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:55 pm

Itrade wrote:Instead of just making holding the Grand Oasis an instant win, perhaps it should give you a massive amount of armies? It would cut down complaints that you're plagiarizing DiM.


Where did you come up with plagiarizing?
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Postby wcaclimbing on Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:58 pm

gimil wrote:
Itrade wrote:Instead of just making holding the Grand Oasis an instant win, perhaps it should give you a massive amount of armies? It would cut down complaints that you're plagiarizing DiM.


Where did you come up with plagiarizing?

plagiarize:
1. To use and pass off (the ideas or writings of another) as one's own.
2. To appropriate for use as one's own passages or ideas from (another).

I'm guessing when he used the word "plagiarize", he meant it in more of a "this is the exact same idea as DiM uses in his maps" kind of way. IDK
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Postby Ditocoaf on Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:42 pm

Considering that there's an XML script specifically for such a victory condition, I doubt that it could be considered plagiarizing. Although, if it is possible, when will the bidding start for ownership of the other functions?
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Postby whitestazn88 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:51 am

lol, sorry to stray off topic, but if we can get trademarks and copyrights, i'd like to own the one for attacking 7v2 and ending up 2v2.

on a more serious note, it's most def not plagiarizing, because its a new and improved(questionable) way of playing risk!
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Postby bryguy on Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:18 am

Ditocoaf wrote:Considering that there's an XML script specifically for such a victory condition, I doubt that it could be considered plagiarizing. Although, if it is possible, when will the bidding start for ownership of the other functions?


it is possible, ever played AoM?? (not might, magic)

and i bid $1!!!
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Postby DiM on Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:41 am

plagiarizing :lol:

everybody is free to use whatever functions he wants. that's the whole point of the xml. when i make requests for xml functions to be introduced i don't make them for personal use. everybody can toy with them and come up with great maps. there's no copyright involved.
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Postby Gustaf Wasa on Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:55 am

Hello! I like the idea. But perhaps Oasis of Forgiveness could instead be named Oasis of Mercy?
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Postby wcaclimbing on Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:08 pm

Gustaf Wasa wrote:Hello! I like the idea. But perhaps Oasis of Forgiveness could instead be named Oasis of Mercy?


wow.
does ANYONE actually read what I write?

wcaclimbing, in the very first post in this thread, wrote:Original image.
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about the image:
-this is just an example image, it is not going to be the final one. The final will probably have a lot more countries (and it will look quite a bit better). its just to show what I had in mind. I can pack double the amount of countries in, or i could cut it all in half. it just depends on what works best. The black area up top will be where the map key/explanation is.

See the:
"this is just an example image, it is not going to be the final one."
written directly under the image?
Those names aren't the actual names. That image is an EXAMPLE.

wow...
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Postby edbeard on Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:15 pm

I'd encourage you to try out a few new fonts for the legend text. The title is fine, but the other areas are a bit difficult to read. When you go down to the small map, they will be that much harder to decipher. Something to consider at least.


Also, I have a question. What's with the 'concept map' in the title. Does this just mean it's not a standard map? I don't really see the need for it as half the maps out there could potentially put 'concept map' in the title.


I find it funny people talking about copying with this map when other people have had much more blatant copying and nobody mentioned it.


looking good wc, I think you'll be in the main foundry soon.

one other suggestion: sometimes it's better just to mention things kindly as often you'll be devoid of any comments whatsoever so you don't want to alienate anyone who might comment in the future.
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