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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP 10/7 Update Pg. 14 [I, Gp]

Postby DiM on Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:50 pm

i see everyone is yelling quench so i hate to be the party pooper but i think the borders need to be redrawn. i mean they're to damn wobbly and from what i've seen on other maps they shouldn't be.

check this out:
http://www.mapsofworld.com/germany/germany-map.jpg
the borders are much more fluid much more cursive.

other than that i'd love to see the background flags be a bit more visible but that may impair the legibility of the map.

anyway i think there will be sorious problems with the army numbers on the small map in regions like Osnabruck or Munster.

btw does the rule with the small being 33% smaller than large still exist? cause that would make the small map on this one really frickin tiny. it would be something like 460*400 :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP 10/7 Update Pg. 14 [I, Gp]

Postby pepperonibread on Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:09 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:You need to start thinking about army circles. These impact the graphics a lot, and you might need to move one or two territory names to fit one in nicely. You will be fine on most territories but I doubt that something like Karlsruhe will do well with one the way it is now.

Nice work on it so far.


I don't think army circles will be necessary on this map... I didn't put one on this page, but take a look at page 13 and you can see an example of army #'s on the map. I tried to make the continent colors not too saturated so circles wouldn't be needed. But any suggestions on the colors are still appreciated.

DiM wrote:i see everyone is yelling quench so i hate to be the party pooper but i think the borders need to be redrawn. i mean they're to damn wobbly and from what i've seen on other maps they shouldn't be.

check this out:
http://www.mapsofworld.com/germany/germany-map.jpg
the borders are much more fluid much more cursive.

other than that i'd love to see the background flags be a bit more visible but that may impair the legibility of the map.

anyway i think there will be sorious problems with the army numbers on the small map in regions like Osnabruck or Munster.

btw does the rule with the small being 33% smaller than large still exist? cause that would make the small map on this one really frickin tiny. it would be something like 460*400 :lol: :lol: :lol:


You'll need some others' support if you want me to change the borders. I purposely made them so ahh... detailed; I'd call it more of a unique style I tried. Which I think works well for this map.
You're right about the small map though, I wanted to keep the 33% limit which will warrant a few border adjustments.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP 10/7 Update Pg. 14 [I, Gp]

Postby pepperonibread on Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:08 pm

New update, all official-like this time:

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Small:

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Large w/ Army #'s:

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Small w/ Army #'s:

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Changes (all edits since the update a few months ago):
-Emden is now Bremerhaven.
-The opacity of the coats of arms in the continents has been slightly increased.
-Added mountains between Trier and Mainz so Koblenz is not so oddly shaped.
-Erased the individual territory borders on the minimap.
-We now have a small map =D>
-Moved a few borders and territory names to get some numbers to fit into the small version.

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-Small map problems?
-Comments?
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP 10/7 Update Pg. 14 [I, Gp]

Postby iancanton on Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:53 am

i'd maybe like the water to be a bit more blue and a bit less purple and the emblem of baden-wurttemberg to be slightly more obvious on the small version but, even if u change nothing, it's a great-looking map!

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP Update w/ Small Map Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby ga7 on Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:12 pm

Sorry if this has been discussed already but just an idea... Why not make the emblems way more proeminent on the bonus map and remove them from the play map? It seems still barely visible and making them more apparent might impair playability, showing them well but only on the bonus map would make more sense IMO.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP 10/7 Update Pg. 14 [I, Gp]

Postby pepperonibread on Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:20 pm

iancanton wrote:i'd maybe like the water to be a bit more blue and a bit less purple and the emblem of baden-wurttemberg to be slightly more obvious on the small version but, even if u change nothing, it's a great-looking map!

ian. :)


Ok thanks, I'll work on this stuff a bit more.

ga7 wrote:Sorry if this has been discussed already but just an idea... Why not make the emblems way more proeminent on the bonus map and remove them from the play map? It seems still barely visible and making them more apparent might impair playability, showing them well but only on the bonus map would make more sense IMO.


I may pronounce the coats of arms on the minimap a bit more, I'll see how it looks.
However, I still like the emblems on the map, and I don't think I'll be removing them unless there are enough people in opposition to them.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP Update w/ Small Map Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby gimil on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:03 am

I am thinking pep this one is just about ready for stamping. After you next update it we will see where we are :)
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP Update w/ Small Map Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby Arachnophobia on Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:54 am

may I propose that the army numbers are placed on those round fields so that the background is less influential on readability?
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP Update w/ Small Map Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby Optimus Prime on Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:01 pm

I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but you might think of making the contrast between the two yellow continents a little more apparent. They blend together pretty easy at the moment.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP Update w/ Small Map Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby laci_mae on Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:07 pm

Optimus Prime wrote:I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but you might think of making the contrast between the two yellow continents a little more apparent. They blend together pretty easy at the moment.


I agree that the yellows have the least contrast, and could do with some more.

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP Update w/ Small Map Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby pepperonibread on Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:21 pm

laci_mae wrote:
Optimus Prime wrote:I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but you might think of making the contrast between the two yellow continents a little more apparent. They blend together pretty easy at the moment.


I agree that the yellows have the least contrast, and could do with some more.

Laci


Sounds good - thanks guys.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP Update w/ Small Map Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby yeti_c on Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:22 am

Anymore news Pep?

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP Update w/ Small Map Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby pepperonibread on Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:49 pm

Not til at least Thanksgiving weekend.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP Update w/ Small Map Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby edbeard on Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:23 pm

I'm bumping this up because we're at the time pep thinks he might be able to work on this so we should try to give him comments to help him finish this


I personally have no problems with the graphics sooooooooo yeeeaaaaaa.



well actually maybe put those mountains right at the edge of those borders (even hiding the outside borders). each range seemingly leaves a slight gap which just looks kinda weird.


possibly put a glow on some of the legend text which is black text crossing over black borders. Sachsen-Thuringen and Baden-Wuritemberg are the "problem areas". I can't totally tell what they say but I'm not sure how much that matters.


Like I said I'd be fine with a graphics stamp but these are a couple possible improvements.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP Update w/ Small Map Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby pepperonibread on Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:44 pm

New update - yall miss me? :D

Large:

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Small:

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Large w/ Army #'s:

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Small w/ Army #'s:

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Changes:
-Made the arms on the minimap a bit more prominent - and on the cont. Baden-Wurttemberg as well.
-Increased the color difference between Baden-Wurttemberg and Bayern.
-Made some text on the minimap a bit easier to read.
-Pushed the mountain range next to Trier closer to the map's edge.
-Played around with the sea color, it ended up being about the same when I finished though. I'll keep working with it.

To-do:
-Small map problems?
-Comments?
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP Update w/ Small Map Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby edbeard on Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:48 pm

quoted for the new page


pepperonibread wrote:New update - yall miss me? :D

Large:

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Small:

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Large w/ Army #'s:

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Small w/ Army #'s:

Image

Changes:
-Made the arms on the minimap a bit more prominent - and on the cont. Baden-Wurttemberg as well.
-Increased the color difference between Baden-Wurttemberg and Bayern.
-Made some text on the minimap a bit easier to read.
-Pushed the mountain range next to Trier closer to the map's edge.
-Played around with the sea color, it ended up being about the same when I finished though. I'll keep working with it.

To-do:
-Small map problems?
-Comments?

I don't see any problems. let's get this thing done before the year is up!
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - POW! NEW UPDATE! Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby gimil on Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:14 pm

On the small I have a problem reading some terr names. To be honest I think the small is needlessly small and cramped couldn't you bump up the size a good bit?

This is the only issue I have to stamping this REVAMP.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - POW! NEW UPDATE! Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby pepperonibread on Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:37 am

gimil wrote:On the small I have a problem reading some terr names. To be honest I think the small is needlessly small and cramped couldn't you bump up the size a good bit?

This is the only issue I have to stamping this REVAMP.


Any suggestions on size? It could just be the army numbers - obviously you won't have all double digits in many games. Anyway, the current size is like 514 px wide by 450 px. I could put up a few different examples if you want.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - POW! NEW UPDATE! Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby gimil on Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:18 am

pepperonibread wrote:
gimil wrote:On the small I have a problem reading some terr names. To be honest I think the small is needlessly small and cramped couldn't you bump up the size a good bit?

This is the only issue I have to stamping this REVAMP.


Any suggestions on size? It could just be the army numbers - obviously you won't have all double digits in many games. Anyway, the current size is like 514 px wide by 450 px. I could put up a few different examples if you want.


The guidelines state that your large needs to at least be 9% larger than your small. so you can make it up to 623x546 without having to increase the size of your large.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - POW! NEW UPDATE! Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby pepperonibread on Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:19 pm

Here are a few different sizes:

620x543 (max size allowed):
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... 20x543.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... 0x543s.jpg

580x508:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... 80x508.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... 0x508s.jpg

550x482:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... 50x482.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... 0x482s.jpg

And, the current small (514x450):

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... mp008S.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... p008SN.jpg

550x482 seems ok too me, though it's hard to tell if the terit names are unclear when you already know them all. And I don't like the max size very much, I prefer maps when they have a more significant difference in the sizes (I use the small mostly).
Thoughts gim? or anyone else?
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - POW! NEW UPDATE! Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby gimil on Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:06 pm

620x543 gets my vote, but I could also happily live with 580x508. Once we get this issue sorted I see no problem in stamping this one.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - POW! NEW UPDATE! Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby pepperonibread on Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:36 pm

New update, but not much is new:

Large:

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Small:

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Large w/ Army #'s:

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Small w/ Army #'s:

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Changes:
-Small map is now 580x508 pixels.

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I, Gp]

Postby yeti_c on Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:58 am

Forge.

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I, Gp]

Postby Tazer on Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:49 pm

Has a nice clean look. I like it. Forge.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I, Gp]

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:25 pm

Well Done Pepp....

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On a personal note, I think the Preussen region dark grey is just s touch too dark for the black text on it...i really have to squint to read the territory text names.
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