Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - POST CONCERNS HERE
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:23 pm
Thanks dan. Seems like we've made it to some sort of understanding
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tyche73 wrote:
i posted this to show what i mean about about not clear
i hope this helps to solve the issue
please note green 5 up north and yellow 7 on nurnberg just as examples because they actually effected my next move
sully800 wrote:I can see the borders perfectly in that screen capture as I can on my own games. I reiterate this point because it really puzzles me that people cannot see the lines at all in the dark region, when on my screen they are as clear as any of the other borders. You guys must have some wacky contrast on your monitors or it is indeed a form of color blindness. Nonetheless, it causes a real (and repeatable) problem on the map.
Gamefreakguy wrote:I agree with those that were of the opinion that there are better ways to represent the colors of Germany than making 3 sets of similarly colored regions... it's just not a good idea. If they were shifted around like the other version of the map that Bruce posted, it would be acceptable.
the.killing.44 wrote:sully800 wrote:I can see the borders perfectly in that screen capture as I can on my own games. I reiterate this point because it really puzzles me that people cannot see the lines at all in the dark region, when on my screen they are as clear as any of the other borders. You guys must have some wacky contrast on your monitors or it is indeed a form of color blindness. Nonetheless, it causes a real (and repeatable) problem on the map.
Yeah I'm with sully; I don't see any issue with that screen shot
PLAYER57832 wrote:A minor point. The "Z" in Ziweche looks a LOT like an "E". Rather confusing to those of us in "later years"
tyche73 wrote:the.killing.44 wrote:sully800 wrote:I can see the borders perfectly in that screen capture as I can on my own games. I reiterate this point because it really puzzles me that people cannot see the lines at all in the dark region, when on my screen they are as clear as any of the other borders. You guys must have some wacky contrast on your monitors or it is indeed a form of color blindness. Nonetheless, it causes a real (and repeatable) problem on the map.
Yeah I'm with sully; I don't see any issue with that screen shot
Sully and killing i didn't post because i like the sound of my own voice.
I posted because i can't read it clearly, i have trouble seeing nearly all of yellows terry's
and the darker colours in the black area.
It wouldn't bother only for the fact that i like the map, had it been a map i would only play now and then i wouldn't waste my time posting.
I really liked the version that you got rid of, i appreciate that pepper has spent alot of time doing this one and the map i liked isn't coming back.
So rather than throwing myself on the floor and kicking my hands and legs, i'm putting my concerns in this forum
only to have it repeatly stated, ''i don't see the problem'',''it's crystal clear'', ''colour blind'' ,''bad monitor''........
So what's my alternative??? maybe just move on, play other maps i can read,and maybe in clan wars with the random maps coming up just hope i don't get unlucky???
MrBenn wrote:The issue of visibility and legibility are important. As far as I can tell, the amendments that are now being mooted are:
1. Some form of circles/patches to assist reading of army numbers
2. Slight alteration of region colours
3. Possible change of typeface to assist legibility
Thanks to everybody for raising your concerns, and your patience - the attitude of pepperonibread indicates that where concerns are legitimate and non-subjective, they will be addressed appropriately.
Viper3910 wrote:Can you please keep the original Germany map for those PREMIUM users who like it.
I don't like the revamp at all and won't be playing it.
Thank you.
pepperonibread wrote:Sorry but I don't think that will ever be an option; the site's creator has never allowed the revamp and original to stay online at the same time.
owenshooter wrote:...they were willing to scrap the perfect inaccurate germany map, so why not scrap the inferior more accurate replacement...
Seulessliathan wrote:wasn´t there a river in the north of Münster? Rhein isn´t there exactly , but .... mountains? There aren´t any mountains around. Can you change this back to river please? (although the river is wrong, because there are only small rivers, and the Rhein is elsewhere, but mountains doesn´t exist there.
MrBenn wrote:owenshooter wrote:...they were willing to scrap the perfect inaccurate germany map, so why not scrap the inferior more accurate replacement...
Perfection is entirely subjective, and virtually unachievable. Accuracy is something we can aim towards
owenshooter wrote:MrBenn wrote:owenshooter wrote:...they were willing to scrap the perfect inaccurate germany map, so why not scrap the inferior more accurate replacement...
Perfection is entirely subjective, and virtually unachievable. Accuracy is something we can aim towards
soooo, that is why THE RHINE was removed? i mean, that isn't a major feature of germany's landscape at all, is it... the map is in no way better than the original, hard work does not equate good work. just bring back the original.
owenshooter wrote:MrBenn wrote:owenshooter wrote:...they were willing to scrap the perfect inaccurate germany map, so why not scrap the inferior more accurate replacement...
Perfection is entirely subjective, and virtually unachievable. Accuracy is something we can aim towards
soooo, that is why THE RHINE was removed? i mean, that isn't a major feature of germany's landscape at all, is it... the map is in no way better than the original, hard work does not equate good work. just bring back the original.
pepperonibread wrote:http://cheeseperi.free.fr/Jeopardy/culture/rhine.gif
As you can see from this image, the Rhine makes it's way first along the southwest border of Germany, a place where it would just add clutter to the map. It then does cut through Germany, in the light-red area of the revamped map (Rheinhessen). But it would serve no purpose there either, as it would be cutting straight through a continent. So I think it's fair to say that to add the Rhine to the map, however important a river it is, would be a useless addition - unless you want to change the map's basic gameplay.
And that's honestly the crux of the problem (this problem, and many other issues dealing with accuracy). I'll state right out that this map isn't an accurate portrayal of Germany. However, taking into account the fact that no gameplay could be changed whatsoever, I can certainly say that this map is much more accurate than the previous Germany 1.
Seulessliathan wrote:Seulessliathan wrote:wasn´t there a river in the north of Münster? Rhein isn´t there exactly , but .... mountains? There aren´t any mountains around. Can you change this back to river please? (although the river is wrong, because there are only small rivers, and the Rhein is elsewhere, but mountains doesn´t exist there.
no response? mountains between Münster and Osnabrück are just nonsense .... if you want, you can put in a wall of fog or whatever .... but why mountains? there aren´t even small hills.
Seulessliathan wrote:and Rheinhessen is a strange name, never heard it anywhere, perhaps you better call it Westdeutschland? Rhein is the river, not the name for an area like Hessen. (and Rhein doesn´t go through Hessen) you combined the districts Rheinland-Pfalz & Hessen.