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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: finally updated! pg 7

Postby oaktown on Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:11 pm

thanks to everyone for their continued feedback on this map even though I've been away... i hope to get cracking on it now that I have some free time.

There were many, many comments, some of which I have addressed in this version, such as:
• spelling
• adding the Dutch
• expanding the Japanese empire to include Sakhalin, which now brings up the value of the region
• making Australia independent

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The to-do list is long... top items include making Europe a bit bigger to fit everything, and possibly dropping a territory or two from Africa. However, I like the idea of Africa being big and hard to hold - which it is and was. If anything I'd like to make Africa more complex, but not make the bonus any bigger... I've already dropped its bonus since the last version.

And yes, I will rethink the mountain graphics. I'll either make the rest of the map fit those mountains, or redo them in a different style. Consider them place-holders for now.

Question: should Ireland have its own territory? And if it does, do I have to give territories to Wales and Scotland? I'd like to just add ireland only.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: finally updated! pg 8

Postby Blitzaholic on Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:57 pm

nice work oak
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: finally updated! pg 8

Postby oaktown on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:14 pm

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Since the LA map is going nowhere, I'm going to get some serious work done on this project. Here's what i've done...

Made Europe ever so slightly larger to better fit army circles. I dropped circles in and everything is fine, but this is the large map so I may have to tinker further.

Desaturated everything to get away from the parchment look. I know, I know, there goes Oaktown again not using color, It's the 20th century, after all, and we're using paper and ink and one-color printing. Things are indeed looking more grey, which I think fits the theme and era of the map, and I plan to work the individual graphic elements - boats, mountains, additional landforms which I'll add later - further into this look. I've played with the mountains a bit and I already like them better sans-color, but I'll push them to look more hand-drawn.

Again, this is the era of look I'm going for with the mountains... in looking at this I can already see where I need to go next in terms of map texture, though the game map should be cleaner than this image.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 8

Postby BrianHoef on Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:14 pm

Love the map, not so much the newer grayer draft. The parchment-style was easier on the eyes.

Regarding the Irish Question, I say don't add Ireland. It doesn't really add to gameplay and it's not historically helpful. Ireland wasn't independent until after WWI; the system you have for other colonies would make some sense, but as I assume you'd have an attack route from Britain, the bombardment would be pointless. Leave it out.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 8

Postby fireedud on Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:37 pm

The new gray style looks disgusting. Could you perhaps make it somewhere in between the two previous colors?
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 8

Postby sam_levi_11 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:33 am

no grey style, its just not as good. the old stly i thought was greay
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 8

Postby dunc_2007 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:28 pm

I think having your oaktown signature under Australia makes it seem out of place next to the legend. Perhaps you could put it up in the top right?
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 8

Postby Ruben Cassar on Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:46 pm

Excuse my ignorance but shouldn't what you call French Western Africa have a French flag and Australia have a British flag?
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 8

Postby Ruben Cassar on Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:46 pm

dunc_2007 wrote:I think having your oaktown signature under Australia makes it seem out of place next to the legend. Perhaps you could put it up in the top right?


I concur.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 8

Postby oaktown on Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:05 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:Excuse my ignorance but shouldn't what you call French Western Africa have a French flag and Australia have a British flag?

it was pointed out to me that by this time Australia was independent of England or something. I don't understand the whole commonwealth thing, so I was bowing to the word of the Aussies and Brits around here.

French W. Africa could indeed have a french flag now that we have added the trading companies. Before when it was direct bombardments of colonies it wouldn't work because France can actually attack French West Africa directly - you can't have it both ways. Now I guess it could, though most players would probably attack directly rather than hit a neutral and bombard. But who knows - may as well give that option.

I agree that the grey is a bit blah. I'll see if I can't come up with something in between. I think it's not the grey I dislike so much as the what it has done to the color on the region borders.

As for the sig, well, I wanted to get it out of the way. Trouble is the style of the sig doesn't look so hot on this map... I may need a sig redux, since I already dumped the old sig on High Seas anyway.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 8

Postby MrBenn on Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:50 pm

Like others I preferred the touch of colour from the previous version.

With your sig, could you keep the graphic the same but give it a woodcut-style? That would either look good or rubbish, but I haven't decided yet.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 8

Postby RjBeals on Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:34 pm

The color version might be my favorite map you've ever done. The grey one is horrid.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 8

Postby oaktown on Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:25 pm

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the people have spoken, we're bringing back the color. It's still darker than the earlier versions, but nothing like the grey.

Only change to gameplay here is the addition of the french flag in French West Africa. If anybody every uses it I'd be shocked, but you never know - I finally found a use for the bombardments in Berlin.

Also stuck in the rest of the army circles.

I'd love more gameplay feedback - I'm at the point where i don't know if people are pleased or just don't care.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 8

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:28 pm

Hm, the game play of this map is interesting, especially the lay out of the continents. We have the resident "Waste Land Continents" (Europe and Russian Empire) at the top of the map, with the more friendly and smaller areas located towards the middle and bottom. Of course though Europe will get play, due to the connection strategic advantage it holds in regards to the Trading Companies and Colonies.

All your bonus values seem spot on...as I figured. ;)

Australia and then into S.E. Asia look like great starting positions if you happen to have some control in Europe. But if you don't, China and Japan along with the Middle East seem to be the best bets...

Hm, it looks like the game play is well thought out. I can see various scenarios working, depending on your initial placement.

Few minor things:

Does Italy have a route to Austria-Hungary? Maybe nudge the mountains up or down, depending on if the answer is yes or no.

Are we supposed to see territory division lines beneath the tree roots? I mean, mountains? I.E. Stavropol-Perm-Siberia and Amur, etc.

Maybe alter South Africa's color a little bit, just so the text of "S. Africa" isn't so light in the ocean.

You are going to do something still with the flags, yes? They feel...hm...too shiny and new compared to the other style of graphics on the map. Maybe more dull colors...or something to to keep in style with the...erm...style.

Lastly, are we playing hide and go seek with your signature? Or maybe it just takes time to move it to its final resting place in the upper right. :)

Keep up the work!


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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 8

Postby Ruben Cassar on Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:02 am

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the people have spoken, we're bringing back the color. It's still darker than the earlier versions, but nothing like the grey.



Did you remove the darker earlier version because I can't find it? I think the border colours were easier to read on that one. I have to strain my eyes a bit to see the division between some of the different regions on this one.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 8

Postby oaktown on Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:16 am

Ruben Cassar wrote:my eyes a bit to see the division between some of the different regions on this one.

You're right, good catch.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 8

Postby oaktown on Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:32 pm

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Ho hum... tweaked the colors a bit as requested. Still not sure where to go with the mountains, but I have some ideas - just need the time.

Gameplay concerns?
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 9

Postby lanyards on Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:33 pm

Italy and Kamchatka look wierd.

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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 9

Postby oaktown on Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:05 pm

lanyards wrote:Italy and Kamchatka look wierd.

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yeah, I as going to go around and make the coastlines look like coastlines - australia and scandinavia are good examples of coastlines I've already worked on - but I totally forgot. Other things came first this weekend. time to start the to do list..

• moutains
• coastlines
• boats need work in my opinion

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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 9

Postby Natewolfman on Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:07 pm

oaktown wrote:• boats need work in my opinion

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it would be cool if they didnt all look the same... like slightly different styles for the different contries
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 9

Postby lanyards on Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:09 pm

Is it allowed to be 840 pixels wide?

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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 9

Postby Natewolfman on Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:09 pm

sorry to double post. Looking at it, Japan dosnt seem to fit color wise... its like a random blank slate... perhaps your useing a color thats just too light to see or because the island is so skiny? but it looks like one solid color and is kinda bleh.

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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 9

Postby MrBenn on Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:12 pm

The border between the Russian Empire and Chinese Empire is obscured by the mountains at the north of Mongolia... I it possible to bring the red/grey borders to the edge of the mountains instead of beneath them (if that makes sense) - the same applies to the Tibet/Nepal border... At first glance it looks like Russia/Asia could be one massive continent.

You've used the Trading Company fleets in a slightly more creative way than I had envisaged... I like the suggestion about giving each boat a different style. Is it possible to make the flags look more canvassy? (ie. less rectangular and more fluid)

I'm eager to see what you've got up your sleeves in relation to your mountains ;-)
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 9

Postby pamoa on Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:17 am

Wow, great map, good graphics.

I agree about ships, 4 different would be better, with "flying" flags. Maybe put the smoke lighter or remove it, maybe.
Japan empire (color and limits) isn't different enough from the rest. Btw is Taiwan in or out?

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Re: Eastern Hemisphere: latest on pg 9 [I]

Postby oaktown on Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:44 am

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As always thanks for the feedback... some changes:

• Japan was bugging me all along but I thought maybe it was just a result of my mild colorblindness. I've given Japan the blue, China the yellow, and swapped the orange and teal in S. Africa and Oceania to make it clear that Taiwan goes with Japan.

• Four boats, flying their colors.

• "Roughed up" some coastlines. Greece and Italy look a bit better now, as does that eastern peninsula in russia. More to come as things bug me.

Still do to... replace the tree roots.
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