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Re: Eastern Hemisphere - gameplay feedback only please

Postby oaktown on Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:42 pm

iancanton wrote:i'll be interested to see how the empire bonus turns out. holding eight territories in different regions looks very tough.

another idea, inspired by the new world map, is for certain colonies to be marked by symbols as belonging to an empire. the imperial power can one-way attack these colonies at any time. for example, a red anchor symbol might be put on india, australia, new zealand and south africa to show that they are british colonies and that great britain can one-way attack them. this means it will be important to hold the imperial powers (great britain, france, germany, the netherlands, portugal, st petersburg and japan), especially later in the game, as a way to project ur forces.


Either idea works for me... I like the notion of Imperial Powers one-way attacking out, and it would solve Tactix's concern about Africa (which I'd noticed earlier, but I figured that if anybody is able to mop up the whole thing they deserve a break!). But rather than a straight-up attack I might allow the Imperial Powers to bombard territories in their empire - this allows the Europeans to hold off incursion by their enemies while not entirely retaining control, which is the whole idea of this map - Empires are beginning to crumble.

This could ultimately be a more important feature than an auto-deployed extra army. I'll work on that one.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere - gameplay feedback only please

Postby oaktown on Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:42 am

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Alright, this map is starting to come together... thanks for all of the suggestions!

I've added capital cities: London, Berlin, Paris, Vienna, St. Petersburg, Tokyo. Is there a more accurate word than "capital" cities? Because technically there are many more capitals on this map, these are just the key centers of imperial power. I guess I could just call them Imperial Powers. Duh. #-o

Germany, France, and Britain can now bombard their colonial holdings... I could also add Portugal and show its holdings in both east and west africa if you think that works. Great Britain just became a very important territory on this map - as it should be considering the time period - though while it can wield great influence through its disruptions (bombardments) abroad it can't do much in terms of actual expansion. Again, I think this fits the theme of empires falling.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere - gameplay feedback only please

Postby bryguy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:10 am

gameplay is perfect to me. Get to work on the graphix.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere - gameplay feedback only please

Postby gimil on Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:48 am

I dont know if im digging the whole bombardment thing. I think classic gameplay will be a winner on this one. If you keep the bombardment your going to have to consider upping the african bonuses since there much much harder to hold now.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere - gameplay feedback only please

Postby gimil on Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:00 am

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Re: Eastern Hemisphere - gameplay feedback only please

Postby BaldAdonis on Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:07 am

Slow morning so I stumbled in here. I've got something for your gameplay though. 65 territories makes a good size for 8 player escalating games, so I'd support standard bonuses with no auto-deploy. That sort of thing overvalues certain territories early in the game and leads to ugly moves.
You do have a lot (4, or 6 without bombardments) of isolated territories. That is, places adjacent to only 1 territory (Portugal, Liberia, Nepal, Arabia, with New Zealand and Madagascar reachable by artillery). This really slows down an escalating game because blocks are so easy to establish and maintain. Consider 6 player games played on Europe vs Arctic. Both give players 8 territories like this one does, but Arctic only has 2 isolated while Europe has 4, and Arctic moves a lot faster. Having 6 would make the game slower than Europe, and 4 isn't exactly ideal either. I wager you could fix it by keeping bombardments and making an attack route between Arabia and Persia.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere - gameplay feedback only please

Postby oaktown on Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:00 pm

thanks, bald, for counting up the dead ends; I don't like them because they are usually out of play by round three of most games, and never come back into play until players start getting eliminated. I'm leaning toward keeping the colonial bombardments, which takes care of some of them, and as I tinker I'll work on eliminating more.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere - gameplay feedback only please

Postby Ruben Cassar on Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:12 pm

In the 1920 the borders looked different. Maybe better stick with 1910?

Also I think the British had Hong Kong as a colony in 1910.

I know it's not exactly gameplay related. :)
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere - gameplay feedback only please

Postby TaCktiX on Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:45 pm

I think it's not giving China any credit to not give them their own capital. I agree with Bald that the +1 autodeploy is a bit much for the gameplay, simply bombardment is enough. Highlighting the capitals is still a good idea, as it'll add to the historic context of the map.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere - gameplay feedback only please

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:49 pm

I like the look of this map, and will comment more once it wanders into the Main Foundry.

But I will say...those millipede mountains are horrendously frightening.


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Re: Eastern Hemisphere - gameplay feedback only please

Postby oaktown on Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:46 am

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Alright, I'm starting to play with what this map might eventually look like. I'm aware that most of the borders and coastlines still need to be redrawn to look realistic - I did the Oceania lines right to begin with, elsewhere everything it too flat.

And the map still needs a proper legend - the info at the bottom is just to tell you what does what.

AndyDufresne wrote:But I will say...those millipede mountains are horrendously frightening.

Better now?
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere... starting to look like a map

Postby gimil on Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:31 am

Oaktown can you keep the page number of the latest update in the title :)

come on I thought you would know better. ;)
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere... starting to look like a map

Postby Joodoo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:25 am

Do you think adding Ceylon (Sri Lanka and former British colony) to South East Asia would improve gameplay? And also, how about a sea route from the Ottoman Empire to Somalia or from Arabia to Somalia? Also, Burma and Afghanistan were British colonies.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere... starting to look like a map

Postby Mr. Squirrel on Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:16 pm

I think you should add portugal and the dutch colonies to the map. They weren't as widespread as Britian and France, but they still played a major role in history.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere... starting to look like a map

Postby Kaplowitz on Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:59 pm

To make africa and the Middle East harder to hold, you could put a connection from Ottoman Empire to Abbysinia
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere... starting to look like a map

Postby rocky mountain on Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:45 pm

the mountains look to realistic for a parchment looking map. they look weird (i agree with Andy)
sorry if i'm wrong, but wasn't it Austrio-Hungary?
do the world an imperial powers start off neutral? i think they should if they don't...
i find it odd how there's huge territories (Siberia and French West Africa) and small territories (Portugal) I know its not important, i just thought i'd say it... :)
i like the idea though. its kinda like New Worlds, same idea, but different... good job so far.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere... starting to look like a map

Postby oaktown on Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:14 pm

rocky mountain wrote:sorry if i'm wrong, but wasn't it Austrio-Hungary?

It would be appropriate to call the area either Austria-Hungary or the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

rocky mountain wrote:do the world an imperial powers start off neutral? i think they should if they don't...

If they're going to get the +1 bonus I would lean toward starting them neutral, so nobody starts with an unfair advantage.

rocky mountain wrote:i find it odd how there's huge territories (Siberia and French West Africa) and small territories (Portugal) I know its not important, i just thought i'd say it... :)

Yep... again, that concern will keep coming up until long after it is quenched. This is a geopolitical map, and as such the political and economic importance of a region outweighs the geographical size. Tiny Portugal had more influence on the world in 1910 than all of Siberia, but I recognize that it would screw up gameplay to make all of eastern Russia one big territory.

rocky mountain wrote:the mountains look to realistic for a parchment looking map. they look weird (i agree with Andy)

I've been looking at a lot of old maps (it's this thing I do) and this is a fairly common way to represent mountains on maps through the 19th and early 20th centuries - when advances in printing were made and mapmakers stopped using the little pointy line-art mountains that we have come to knwo and love on CC maps. I hope that as I work out the other visual elements I can convince you that they work. :)

Here are some examples from the web that I've come up with... the Russia map has me re-thinking where I've stuck the mountains in the east.
http://www.philaprintshop.com/images/thompse.jpg
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historic ... e_1820.jpg
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere... starting to look like a map

Postby yeti_c on Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:25 am

Loving it Oak - instead of "world powers" you could call them "Empire Capitals" or something?

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Re: Eastern Hemisphere... starting to look like a map

Postby sam_levi_11 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:23 pm

spain shou power id think, and congo was belgian not french
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere... starting to look like a map

Postby oaktown on Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:06 pm

sam_levi_11 wrote:spain shou power id think, and congo was belgian not french

Spain wasn't much of an imperial power by 1910, and when they were most of their holdings were in the new world, which wouldn't have much influence on this map.

And the congo was belgian, except for the part that was french... and the part that was portuguese...
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere... starting to look like a map

Postby gimil on Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:08 pm

gimil wrote:Oaktown can you keep the page number of the latest update in the title :)

come on I thought you would know better. ;)


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Re: Eastern Hemisphere... starting to look like a map

Postby oaktown on Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:09 pm

gimil wrote:
gimil wrote:Oaktown can you keep the page number of the latest update in the title :)

come on I thought you would know better. ;)


nudge!


up until now there weren't enough pages to matter! It went from a dead topic to popular in like 24 hours.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere... latest on page cinco

Postby gimil on Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:33 pm

Ill let you off with the foreign language. ;)

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Re: Eastern Hemisphere (old world?) - Pg 5

Postby BaldAdonis on Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:02 am

What do you think of adding Sierra Leone to Africa, just northwest of Liberia? It was a British colony (seems like there are a lot of those) and was being extolled as a home for freed British slaves (similarly to Liberia for Americans). It'll keep Liberia from being a deadend, and give you 66 territories. That cuts down the neutrals in 2, 3 and 6 player games (by 2, 2 and 5) and adds 1 to the others (up to 2 in 4- and 8-player, 1 in 5-player and 4 in 7-player). It also moves 2 and 3 players games up from 21 territories to start, which is an annoying number for anyone not playing first.
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Re: Eastern Hemisphere (old world?) - Pg 5

Postby t-o-m on Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:39 am

congratz on the stamp :)
it seems that you like this colour/style of map - high seas, this, looks good =D>
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