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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08

Postby Ruben Cassar on Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:57 am

Ok guys I have an updated version ready which I will probably post later on today. I added the mini map and bonus legend.

I am reading your comments and evaluating them but I will see what other people have to say before making any other changes.

1. About the mountains it shouldn't be a problem to make them bigger. Waiting for more feedback from other users.

2. The font can be easily changed. Personally I don't mind it but I'll wait for feedback from other people to see what to do.

3. The bonuses. I have been thinking a lot about them. I think I'll keep them. I believe that they add a new element to the map. Many of the territories are small and easy to hold. However a player can make a comeback perhaps if he manages to hold the yellow territories even though he doesn't have a regional bonus and this adds another strategic element to the game. Also the fact that you need at least 6 of them to get a 1 unit bonus prevents the yellow territories bonus from being a random thing but something that a player must work for. If anything my question is this...does the bonus starting from 6 territories seem too harsh and perhaps needs to be lowered to 4 or 5 or is it fine as it is? Again waiting for more comments.
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08

Postby RjBeals on Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:14 am

I like the mountains. They do not need to resemble real mountains - these kind of feel more like game board pieces, but its still cool. My vote is to keep them as is (or close to it).
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby t-o-m on Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:21 am

RjBeals wrote:I like the mountains. They do not need to resemble real mountains - these kind of feel more like game board pieces, but its still cool. My vote is to keep them as is (or close to it).

i also dont mind them, but at this stage you need not worry about them too much,

Ruben Cassar wrote:However a player can make a comeback perhaps if he manages to hold the yellow territories even though he doesn't have a regional bonus and this adds another strategic element to the game.

i think that would make it fairer, because no1 can say "i got a bad start" coz theyre bound to be near/holding a yellow terit and maybe a chance at a cont, basically i think that might balence it out (or it might not :P)
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby bryguy on Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:35 am

Pros:

Good Bonus'
Its an actual place (i think)
The territory lines are O.K

Cons

The background sucks (sorry)
There doesnt seem to be a need for that stamp-like-thing in the corner, it just takes up room
There seems to be extra unused room that u could get rid of
The lakes/mountains arent that graphically appealing
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby bryguy on Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:36 am

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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby cena-rules on Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:41 am

This is a really nice map but you have a river through the middle of a terr and its wierd and will be rather confusing
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby Ruben Cassar on Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:26 am

cena-rules wrote:This is a really nice map but you have a river through the middle of a terr and its wierd and will be rather confusing


Yes, but the actual river is located in that location.

I will add bridges so that there won't be any confusion. Remember this is still not finished, but thanks for pointing that out.

Besides as a side note every CC player should get BOB. It's great and it solves these kind of problems with maps.

On a separate note the free space will be used and yes San Marino is an actual place. It's in the Italian peninsula.
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby gimil on Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:29 am

Ruben its nice to see you back in teh foundry again mate :)

I remeber you where the reason I got portugal so far.
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby Ruben Cassar on Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:31 am

gimil wrote:Ruben its nice to see you back in teh foundry again mate :)

I remeber you where the reason I got portugal so far.


Hehe thanks mate. I am glad I was of assistance on that one. Portugal is a lovely map I must say.

I have been busy these past months. Just finished my thesis and have my final university exams coming up in early June. I will have a bit more free time from mid June onwards to dedicate to CC. ;)
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby t-o-m on Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:39 am

i dont like the thing that the mini map/bonus key is on, i dont like the slant, it looks quickly done and rushed that bit does

other wise it v gdgd well done :)
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby Ruben Cassar on Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:49 am

t-o-m wrote:i dont like the thing that the mini map/bonus key is on, i dont like the slant, it looks quickly done and rushed that bit does

other wise it v gdgd well done :)


Would a normal rectangular form be better or did you have something else in mind?
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby t-o-m on Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:09 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:
t-o-m wrote:i dont like the thing that the mini map/bonus key is on, i dont like the slant, it looks quickly done and rushed that bit does

other wise it v gdgd well done :)


Would a normal rectangular form be better or did you have something else in mind?

i dont know, umm,,,
i just dont think it looks right when you have a right angle at the top right, and then a weird angle at the bottom left, i dunno what you could do, maybe try changing it to the other side so it might fit?

ur call :)
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino

Postby sam_levi_11 on Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:33 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:
sam_levi_11 wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:
Hehe that's interesting. Care to elaborate a bit more on what you mean exactly? Also is this a bad thing or a good thing?

Well i like germany exept the graphics, but i dont like these graphics much either much but meh


Hehe seems like you're a difficult person to please Sam! :p

Germany is being revamped maybe you'll like it more now.


i am lol. i like it a bit more now, got used to it, but the yellow teritory thing seems pontless, u need 6 for +1, which isnt worth the hassle, and you would need another cont to hold it anyway.
plus the yellow doesnt stand out and isnt immediatly clear.
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino

Postby t-o-m on Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:47 pm

sam_levi_11 wrote: the yellow teritory thing seems pontless, u need 6 for +1, which isnt worth the hassle, and you would need another cont to hold it anyway.
plus the yellow doesnt stand out and isnt immediatly clear.

i think that by the time you have that "cont", the others will have proper conts and will have wiped you out, and plus, the yellow terit "cont" bonus is exposed on every terit, so it really is not worth holding 6 terits to get a bonus of 1 when your exposed like that!!
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby Ruben Cassar on Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:03 pm

t-o-m wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:
t-o-m wrote:i dont like the thing that the mini map/bonus key is on, i dont like the slant, it looks quickly done and rushed that bit does

other wise it v gdgd well done :)


Would a normal rectangular form be better or did you have something else in mind?

i dont know, umm,,,
i just dont think it looks right when you have a right angle at the top right, and then a weird angle at the bottom left, i dunno what you could do, maybe try changing it to the other side so it might fit?

ur call :)


Okay I updated it. Check page 1 version 1.9.
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino

Postby Ruben Cassar on Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:09 pm

t-o-m wrote:
sam_levi_11 wrote: the yellow teritory thing seems pontless, u need 6 for +1, which isnt worth the hassle, and you would need another cont to hold it anyway.
plus the yellow doesnt stand out and isnt immediatly clear.

i think that by the time you have that "cont", the others will have proper conts and will have wiped you out, and plus, the yellow terit "cont" bonus is exposed on every terit, so it really is not worth holding 6 terits to get a bonus of 1 when your exposed like that!!


Okay but I want the yellow territories bonus to stay. What I might do is make a change to the number of territories one holds to get it to make it more accessible. Maybe grant a +1 bonus for holding 4 territories. It might be 4 = +1, 5 = +2, 6 = +3 and 9 = +5 for example.

I will have to think a bit more about it but give me more feedback on how to change the yellow bonus system.

I'll also contact some elite players to see what they think about it. It's always useful to get their opinion as well.
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby t-o-m on Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:15 pm

yes,

by all means i think they should stay, i just think that the actual bonus is wrong lol, keep them and put some thought ingto them ;)
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby MrBenn on Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:12 am

Ruben,

I like the overall look of this - there is some potential for a good small map here.

1) You have a lot of empty space at the moment; the map is a lot taller than I think it needs to be... could you try moving the legend to the bottom-right?

2) I agree that the font looks a little out of place...

3) For the yellow continent, have you considered having a 'Berlin' style 'hold any 3 terrs to get the bonus'? That might be another way forward?

4) At the moment the map appears to be a floating island (that's probably what the comment about Germany related to). You asked for some ideas about the borders - I think it would be nice if you could somehow fade the borders into the background... I can't describe it very well, but I'm thinking of something a little like this: ████▓▒

5) Are the rivers impassable? If not, then you need bridges over it for all connections. If it is, then you need to mention this somewhere; this is one of my gripes with the China map.

6) I like the colour scheme you've adopted.

So, there we go - I'm looking forward to seeing this develop! :-)
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby Ruben Cassar on Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:59 am

Thanks for you input Ben, however I think you weren't looking at the last version of the map.

The font I'm using is Verdana. I can give some other font options and maybe we can run a poll.

The yellow bonuses are going to be updated. I have been speaking with various elite players who gave me their opinion and I have decided to make them more accessible. A bonus will be granted for whoever holds 4 territories not 6.

I want to try that fading border thing. Do you use a special function in photoshop for that? Dissolve perhaps?

As I said before I still need to create the bridges. I am not very good at creating these impassable objects. I will see what I can do with the bridges.
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby t-o-m on Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:07 pm

on the yellow cont - (not the collective bonus for yellow terits) anyway on the middle yellow cont there are some lines of kinda brown, im not sure if that was you half way making it textured or...
but atm that bit dnt look good, its not v noticeable, but the almighty tom spoteed it :lol:
so is that ment to be there or...

p.s i like the new key, the not slanted one, it looks a LOT better :)
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 17.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby Ruben Cassar on Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:35 pm

Ok I have posted a new updated version 1.10.

I have changed the yellow territories bonus to make it more accessible.

I have also modified the rivers to make the map easier to read. The rivers are now effective impassable borders. This new change means that there will not be any need for bridges.
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 18.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby TaCktiX on Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:41 pm

Fiorentina and its nearby green neighbor are a little TOO close in color, it's hard to tell them apart on the bonus map except by relative location.
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 18.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby t-o-m on Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:46 pm

i was thinkiong that tack,
so are those lines on the yellow cint there on purpose?
and are the colours staying?
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 18.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby Ruben Cassar on Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:59 pm

t-o-m wrote:i was thinkiong that tack,
so are those lines on the yellow cint there on purpose?
and are the colours staying?


Ah yes. I meant to answer this but forgot. Yellow region. They are caused by the texture I gave to the whole map. It was okay on the other regions but on the yellow region it caused this glitch for some strange reason. I added opacity to make it look better but there are still some small marks I guess. I can remove the whole texture for the that region.

Green regions. I hear you and I am going to change the tones of those two regions to better differentiate them.
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Re: Repubblica di San Marino - Updated: 18.04.08 - Map on page 1

Postby t-o-m on Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:01 pm

gdgd
this map shows promise! :D
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