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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V4 (P3) - New design

Postby cairnswk on Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:13 pm

edbeard wrote:
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edbeard wrote: I'm just not sure I like this one.

Wow, what a way to sink a map!! i know you've justified it above which i will attend to shortly, but this is not what i expected from edbeard. :shock:

yea sorry. I look forward to seeing how you respond though.
I know the linear part is due to the river. Maybe you can think of something creative.

Thanks edbeard...I don't think I'm going to be able to do much about the lineation of the river terts.
There is a possibility that something might reveal itself once i read that article referred to by bryguy.
I am thinking that the only way around this is to make the dessert areas between the gold mines and river east terts included as terts in the maps also, but that will depend on other information i can dig up to keep the map true to history.
I'll look into this and the gold bonuses on the weekend when I have another long weekend to do something about it.
I'll be in Sydney all next week so won't have access to doing to maps, may still be able to play my games and respond to comments though.
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V4 (P3) - New design

Postby t-o-m on Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:45 pm

how come all of the terits have a bevel on the outside but not the gold mines?
on ur mini-map the bottom 2 (2nd and 4th) are they either thinner or have more stroke on them or something? because you cant really see the colours on them (the font colours) - or is it just a dark colour?
it seems like someone has just taken a big chunk of the map out from the middle, perhaps put something there? (maybe a continueation of the map but at an extremely low ocpacity??)
is the well of ramasese part of a cont? (im just making sure)
whats that box thing at the top on the actual map? its next to Swenet.
is kurgus on its own with no cont...if so why?
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overall the map seems a bit empty, but its good :D
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V4 (P3) - New design

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu May 01, 2008 11:30 am

Cairnswk, is this the last in the series of Egyptian maps? (If they all get done, I think they could be a great addition to the site, and thematic tournaments).

Anyways...the statue image isn't cutting it for me. I was really sad to see go the little picture in the left top corner you had a page or two ago...More things like that!


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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V4 (P3) - New design

Postby cairnswk on Thu May 01, 2008 11:51 am

AndyDufresne wrote:Cairnswk, is this the last in the series of Egyptian maps? (If they all get done, I think they could be a great addition to the site, and thematic tournaments).


Yes Andy, this is the last of the Egyptian series:
Egypt: Lower
Egypt: Upper
Egypt: Nubia
Egypt: VOTK

I know you have been waiting for something concrete on Egypt for sometime. ;)
So, yes i doooo hope they all get done.

Anyways...the statue image isn't cutting it for me. I was really sad to see go the little picture in the left top corner you had a page or two ago...More things like that!
--Andy

OK, that can be returned....just trying to find items that link all the maps together design-wise but still give them their own character. I'd like to keep the statue as this was the main Pharaoh from this area...but perhaps your image can go elsewhere on the page. :)
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V4 (P3) - New design

Postby gimil on Mon May 05, 2008 10:11 pm

Cairns whats the stroy with this? It still alive and kicking?
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V4 (P3) - New design

Postby mibi on Mon May 05, 2008 10:57 pm

These maps seem to evoke Egypt less and less. This one kinda looks like amoeba under a microscope. If it weren't for the historical flotsam and jetsam, I would swear this image was part of some science project.
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V4 (P3) [VACATION]

Postby cairnswk on Tue May 06, 2008 5:58 am

gimil wrote:Cairns whats the stroy with this? It still alive and kicking?


Well, i think Gimil, it'll have to be vacationed for a while.
I have run out of artistic puff at the mo and going to sydney this week isn't going to help.
So i will vacation it, and it can still be reinvented later, like i did with Sydney. :)
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V4 (P3) - New design

Postby cairnswk on Tue May 06, 2008 5:59 am

mibi wrote:These maps seem to evoke Egypt less and less. This one kinda looks like amoeba under a microscope. If it weren't for the historical flotsam and jetsam, I would swear this image was part of some science project.

Yeh, mibi i understand your comment and agree.
I'll tackle it again later to complete the series.
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V4 (P3) [VACATION]

Postby gimil on Tue May 06, 2008 8:45 am

cairnswk wrote:
gimil wrote:Cairns whats the stroy with this? It still alive and kicking?


Well, i think Gimil, it'll have to be vacationed for a while.
I have run out of artistic puff at the mo and going to sydney this week isn't going to help.
So i will vacation it, and it can still be reinvented later, like i did with Sydney. :)


In that case have fun in sydney!
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V4 (P3)

Postby cairnswk on Sun May 11, 2008 7:00 pm

gimil wrote:
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gimil wrote:Cairns whats the stroy with this? It still alive and kicking?


Well, i think Gimil, it'll have to be vacationed for a while.
I have run out of artistic puff at the mo and going to sydney this week isn't going to help.
So i will vacation it, and it can still be reinvented later, like i did with Sydney. :)


In that case have fun in sydney!


Thanks Gimil.

I did have fun.

Can you pulldown the poll from this map please, and i'll get back to it soon.
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V4 (P)

Postby gimil on Sun May 11, 2008 7:55 pm

Nubian Egypt - The Regions of the Black Pharaohs - the last map planned in this series?

Poll ended at Fri May 09, 2008 4:00 am

Yes
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No
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V5 (P)

Postby cairnswk on Sun May 18, 2008 3:54 am

OK let's get this one moving again.

Ideas behind these changes:
1. This has moved to a dark tone region....the nubians built pryamids that were from a very dark coloured brick.
2. I've enhanced the territories by enlarging them somewhat.
3. the mini map is simplified by removing some of the text, and has good contrast against that dark sandstone
4. colour change on Kurgus
5. additions to Ramesses Well...an outer wall
6. This design uses some colour from the previous Upper Egypt, but will also tie in with the darkness of the Valley of the Kings -> death and afterlife.


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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V5 (P4) - New colours

Postby gimil on Sun May 18, 2008 2:05 pm

The region in brown really needs to be a different colour, it blend to much into the bacground and took me a while to realise it was a playable region.
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V5 (P4) - New colours

Postby ZeakCytho on Sun May 18, 2008 2:07 pm

I liked the old colors much better :(

These seem too dark. Maybe you could settle on an in between color?
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V5 (P4) - New colours

Postby t-o-m on Sun May 18, 2008 2:12 pm

gimil wrote:The region in brown really needs to be a different colour, it blend to much into the bacground and took me a while to realise it was a playable region.

you beat me to it!

that brown doesnt look good to me, i didnt see the gold mines because they're a slightly similar colour
(but that was a quick glance, can see them perfectly now ;))

also, the text in the background of the brown looks almost invisible, i know ur trying to make the text look kinda subliminal but i think its a little too subliminal if you know what i mean.

at the bottom where you have a yellow gradient into nothing i think you should put something there because it looks kinda empty there i think

is Swenet (Elphentine) a terit?

on the mini-map the "4th" with the bright green outer glow looks out of place and i also struggle to read the "Cataract Regions" above the mini-map

p.s. the yellow gradient emplty thing that i was talking about - i think you could move the "Desert Roads" upward so it fills that space
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but then that space might look empty! ooh i dont know! ;)

well done cairns, lookin' good =D>
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V5 (P4) - New colours

Postby Kaplowitz on Sun May 18, 2008 2:28 pm

My problem with this map is the theme.

I know what Nubia is, but i know nothing about it.
I know what Egypt is, but i know little about it.

When i see Lower Egypt or Egypt Upper i go "Hey, look- its Egypt!" (more so with Lower)
When i see this, it looks like a bunch of circles circles with a river. The thing that gives classic maps a theme is its location. What should draw me to this map is its location, but i have never seen this place before- and therefore it doesnt really interest me.

Maybe I just need a geography lesson, but for I'm not a huge fan of this part of your Egypt Series. Id rather have something with Pyramids, or Egypt against other Ancient Civilizations (like Mesopotamia or something).

Im not trying to sound harsh, its just this one wont be my favorite Cairn's Map. :(
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V5 (P4) - New colours

Postby cairnswk on Sun May 18, 2008 3:07 pm

gimil wrote:The region in brown really needs to be a different colour, it blend to much into the bacground and took me a while to realise it was a playable region.


You means the gold mines with army circles on them?
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V5 (P4) - New colours

Postby cairnswk on Sun May 18, 2008 3:12 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:I liked the old colors much better :(

These seem too dark. Maybe you could settle on an in between color?


This is why i chose the dark colour. But i'll see if can find something less harsh.

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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V5 (P4) - New colours

Postby cairnswk on Sun May 18, 2008 3:17 pm

t-o-m wrote:
gimil wrote:The region in brown really needs to be a different colour, it blend to much into the bacground and took me a while to realise it was a playable region.

you beat me to it!

that brown doesnt look good to me, i didnt see the gold mines because they're a slightly similar colour
(but that was a quick glance, can see them perfectly now ;))

also, the text in the background of the brown looks almost invisible, i know ur trying to make the text look kinda subliminal but i think its a little too subliminal if you know what i mean.

at the bottom where you have a yellow gradient into nothing i think you should put something there because it looks kinda empty there i think

will look at this.

is Swenet (Elphentine) a terit?
Does it have an army circle on it?
No. It is the last major city in Upper Egypt, but it seems that people won't make that connection so i'll put Upper Egypt in there somewhere.

on the mini-map the "4th" with the bright green outer glow looks out of place and i also struggle to read the "Cataract Regions" above the mini-map

OK.

p.s. the yellow gradient emplty thing that i was talking about - i think you could move the "Desert Roads" upward so it fills that space
?
but then that space might look empty! ooh i dont know! ;)

well done cairns, lookin' good =D>

kewl. thanks :)
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V5 (P4) - New colours

Postby cairnswk on Sun May 18, 2008 4:13 pm

Kaplowitz wrote:My problem with this map is the theme.

I know what Nubia is, but i know nothing about it.
I know what Egypt is, but i know little about it.

When i see Lower Egypt or Egypt Upper i go "Hey, look- its Egypt!" (more so with Lower)
When i see this, it looks like a bunch of circles circles with a river. The thing that gives classic maps a theme is its location. What should draw me to this map is its location, but i have never seen this place before- and therefore it doesnt really interest me.

Maybe I just need a geography lesson, but for I'm not a huge fan of this part of your Egypt Series. Id rather have something with Pyramids, or Egypt against other Ancient Civilizations (like Mesopotamia or something).

Im not trying to sound harsh, its just this one wont be my favorite Cairn's Map. :(


Sorry you feel like that Kap. But the fact is that these guys from Nubia ruled the Egyptian world for over 75 years, and from the naming of the Well of Ramesses it is clear that the Lower and Upper region rulers knew this region well. There is also reference in this area to Pharaoh Tuthmose.
I guess is might be just a case of geogrpahy lesson for you and a changing of your mind to accept this area as part of the Egyptian world of ancient times. :)
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V6

Postby cairnswk on Sun May 18, 2008 4:16 pm

Version 6.

Changes:

1. Heightened the map to include the words Upper Egypt at the top to create a link between the previous map.
2. Added a region map to one of the towers to show where this region lies in relation to the rest of the Nile.
3. Adjustment to the Gold Mine territories colour.

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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V6 (P5) - Adjustments

Postby ZeakCytho on Sun May 18, 2008 4:28 pm

Could you reduce the opacity on the brick lines in the pyramid-things at the bottom of the map, and in the legend/title at the top? They seem a bit strong.

The minimap showing Nubia in relation to the rest of Egypt is good, but the transition from the tower to it is rather abrupt. Could you give it a more substantial border, about the thickness of the design-thing on the other tower?

Why does the 4th Cataract bonus have a glow on it when none of the others do? I think the glow looks good, I'd just add it to the rest.

The colors of the first and second cataract look very similar to me. Could you change one of them to something more different?

I liked Taharqa's pillar better back in v4, where it was light and the designs on it were dark. The dark pillar with light designs just doesn't look good to me.

In the title bar, the picture of the cataract looks kind of thrown in. Could you give it a glow or something like the dow picture?
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V6 (P5) - Adjustments

Postby cairnswk on Mon May 19, 2008 3:56 am

ZeakCytho wrote:Could you reduce the opacity on the brick lines in the pyramid-things at the bottom of the map, and in the legend/title at the top? They seem a bit strong.

The minimap showing Nubia in relation to the rest of Egypt is good, but the transition from the tower to it is rather abrupt. Could you give it a more substantial border, about the thickness of the design-thing on the other tower?

Why does the 4th Cataract bonus have a glow on it when none of the others do? I think the glow looks good, I'd just add it to the rest.

The colors of the first and second cataract look very similar to me. Could you change one of them to something more different?

I liked Taharqa's pillar better back in v4, where it was light and the designs on it were dark. The dark pillar with light designs just doesn't look good to me.

In the title bar, the picture of the cataract looks kind of thrown in. Could you give it a glow or something like the dow picture?


Mmmm....you're asking me to move backwards with this, so i'll see what others have to say first before making any decisions. :)
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V6 (P5) - Adjustments

Postby bryguy on Mon May 19, 2008 10:28 am

looking great! love the darker colors!

1) Maybe make the gold mine in the legend consistent with the colors of the others?
2) To some people (points to self) its not all that obvious what the bonuses are for the different colored regions
3) I can hardly see the +1 for the well of ramesses
4) The territory 'Well of Rameses II' is different then the spelling in the legend of '+1 Well of Ramesses', difference is 1 s
5) Maybe also add in the 'II' to the Well of Rameses in the legend


looking great! i also love the little image on one of the pillars!
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Re: NUBIAN EGYPT V6 (P5) - Adjustments

Postby oaktown on Mon May 19, 2008 7:04 pm

seems like a pretty 'advanced' idea to me... I'll give it a more complete look over later.
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