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Re: FRANCE 18TH century - VOTE NOW - v06 p1 - may10 p2

Postby bryguy on Sat May 10, 2008 5:41 pm

personally, v.3 is my favorite.
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Re: FRANCE 18TH century - VOTE NOW - v06 p1 - may10 p2

Postby Ruben Cassar on Sat May 10, 2008 5:55 pm

The sea looked better in version 1.

Apart from that the comments I made in the previous posts are still valid.
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Re: FRANCE 18TH century - VOTE NOW - v06 p1 - may10 p2

Postby gimil on Sun May 11, 2008 8:03 pm

Sorry to sound like a negative old fart hte first time I come in here but could you do me a few favours please:

1. Use [bigimg] tags instead of [img] ones?

2. Only have the image on your latest draft in post 1 and have the rest of them as normal text links please?

This would make my life ever so easier and I could happily look over your map :)

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Re: FRANCE 18TH century - VOTE NOW - v06 p1 - may10 p2

Postby pamoa on Mon May 12, 2008 3:05 am

gimil: Use [bigimg] tags instead of [img] ones?
- Done
gimil: Only have the image on your latest draft in post 1 and have the rest of them as normal text links please?
- I do not understand, is it not like that now? Can you explain more clearly?
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Re: FRANCE 18TH century v06 may10 - VOTE NOW

Postby bryguy on Mon May 12, 2008 8:34 am

I think gimil means like this:

Current Version:
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Previous Versions:
[url=Link to previous version goes here]Version Number goes here [clicky][/url]
[url=Link to previous version goes here]Version Number goes here [clicky][/url]
[url=Link to previous version goes here]Version Number goes here [clicky][/url]
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Re: FRANCE 18TH century v06 may10 - VOTE NOW

Postby zimmah on Wed May 14, 2008 7:02 am

way too colorfull for an 18th century map, make it more brownish, a bit like viewtopic.php?f=64&t=38601&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
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Re: FRANCE 18TH century v06 may10 - VOTE NOW

Postby TaCktiX on Wed May 14, 2008 2:59 pm

Actually, I like the white palette with color outlines. It seems like one of those maps you'd find in a book about the French Revolution ("here's the state of France prior to the beheading of Louis XVI"). [opinion]Unlike France today, 18th century France was badass, with ridiculous capital spending, social uprisings, and the guillotine toward the end of the century.[/opinion]

One problem your map is going to run into: right now it's the Large size, and you've got some small territories. I would suggest cutting the left part of the map down and turning the map you have right now into the Small map, leaving you with tons of space in the large. You'll have to drop a little bit of England and Spain out for that, and move some of the text on the left side closer to shore, but it won't look cramped. You may also need to drop the doodads over there (though the ship and compass are a nice touch).

Also to help with that: the border is nice, but it's taking up 20 pixels or so on each side, 40 pixels that could go to better use on the focus of the map. Dropping the border won't kill the olden look and will grant you some more space to get within that 600px limit for small.
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Re: FRANCE 18TH century v06 may10 - VOTE NOW

Postby ZeakCytho on Wed May 14, 2008 3:11 pm

I agree with what Zimmah said, to an extent. I'd make the whole map slightly tan, but certainly not as brown as The New World. I'd keep the playable territories an off-white color.

What if you made the ocean parchment-like instead of white, and had the gradient from the land out be small and a more concentrated brown color? You could do cool stuff with the edges of the image, like curled-up edges, wrinkles, etc. to make it look older.
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Re: FRANCE 18TH century v06 may10 - VOTE NOW

Postby mibi on Wed May 14, 2008 3:18 pm

zimmah wrote:way too colorfull for an 18th century map, make it more brownish, a bit like viewtopic.php?f=64&t=38601&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a


You can bet it wasn't brownish in the 18th century.
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Re: FRANCE 18TH century v06 may10 - VOTE NOW

Postby pamoa on Wed May 14, 2008 5:18 pm

Thanks guys for helping I'll work on it in a few day. I just wait the poll end so to choose which way to go and then work on "size problem" maybe starting with small map now it's 600 high and 800 wide!
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Re: FRANCE 18TH century v06 may10 - VOTE NOW

Postby Ruben Cassar on Wed May 14, 2008 5:25 pm

pamoa wrote:Thanks guys for helping I'll work on it in a few day. I just wait the poll end so to choose which way to go and then work on "size problem" maybe starting with small map!


The sea was much better in the first version but no one knows that because there is only a link to the image and basically no one cares to click on it or even realises it's there. You should have made the first image visible as well since it is an option on the poll. Not doing that makes this poll stilted.
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Re: FRANCE 18TH century v06 may10 - VOTE NOW

Postby gimil on Thu May 15, 2008 7:37 am

[Adv. Idea]

I like the idea of this but we need some more discussion to happen before we release you to the fods ;)
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Re: FRANCE 18TH century v06 may10 - VOTE NOW

Postby pamoa on Thu May 15, 2008 8:37 am

gimil wrote:[Adv. Idea]
I like the idea of this but we need some more discussion to happen before we release you to the fods ;)

Thanks, now tell me I really want to see this project going forward and an "expert" point of view is more than wanted ;)
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Re: FRANCE 18TH century v06 may10 - VOTE NOW

Postby Ruben Cassar on Thu May 15, 2008 4:50 pm

pamoa wrote:
gimil wrote:[Adv. Idea]
I like the idea of this but we need some more discussion to happen before we release you to the fods ;)

Thanks, now tell me I really want to see this project going forward and an "expert" point of view is more than wanted ;)


First step is to not ignore my posts. ;)
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Re: FRANCE 18TH century v06 may10 - VOTE NOW

Postby pamoa on Fri May 16, 2008 3:13 am

My dear Ruben,
I did read all your comments and I think I get the a clear idea of what you think about the sea.
You PREFER version 1 as you said in your 6 comments, ok i take note of it.
But I made a poll on this purpose to see if other people like more the gray sea by example!
And to my point of view I really tried to respond to each of your suggestions, sorry if sometimes, and they are a very few, I do not agree with you!
I hope you will appriciate to recive this personnal answer and wish you a nice day! :)
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Re: FRANCE 18TH century v06 may10 - VOTE NOW

Postby Ruben Cassar on Fri May 16, 2008 3:45 am

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pamoa wrote:Thanks guys for helping I'll work on it in a few day. I just wait the poll end so to choose which way to go and then work on "size problem" maybe starting with small map!


The sea was much better in the first version but no one knows that because there is only a link to the image and basically no one cares to click on it or even realises it's there. You should have made the first image visible as well since it is an option on the poll. Not doing that makes this poll stilted.
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Re: FRANCE 18th century v06 may10 - VOTE NOW

Postby pamoa on Sat May 17, 2008 8:47 am

Here are the poll results:
v06=1
v06 with minimap=6
v05=2
v05 with legend=2
other=1

My conclusions are there is a clear preference for blue sea (i'll do like v01 for ruben eyes only) and minimap is better.
Thanks for voting, new version next days.
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Re: FRANCE 18th century v06 may10 - VOTE NOW

Postby Ruben Cassar on Sat May 17, 2008 10:01 am

pamoa wrote:My conclusions are there is a clear preference for blue sea (i'll do like v01 for ruben eyes only) and minimap is better.


Wow. I feel honoured. However I think you have to ask gimil to close the poll for you.
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Re: FRANCE 18th century v07 may19

Postby gimil on Mon May 19, 2008 8:38 pm

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Re: FRANCE 18th century v07 may19

Postby pamoa on Tue May 20, 2008 5:20 am

gimil wrote:Good luck in the real world.

Thanks i'll try to survive :D
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Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19

Postby oaktown on Tue May 20, 2008 7:30 pm

welcome - again, lovely graphics.

Quick concern: not everybody will know that Paris=Ile de France, even with the symbol... you know somebody will be confused when their opponent gets a +1 for holding Ile de France, when the legend says you get a +1 for holding Paris.
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Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19

Postby Kaplowitz on Tue May 20, 2008 7:34 pm

Maybe make Paris its own little territory?
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Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19

Postby Ruben Cassar on Tue May 20, 2008 7:36 pm

oaktown wrote:welcome - again, lovely graphics.

Quick concern: not everybody will know that Paris=Ile de France, even with the symbol... you know somebody will be confused when their opponent gets a +1 for holding Ile de France, when the legend says you get a +1 for holding Paris.


Isn't the fleur-de-lys symbol enough to understand that? It looks pretty straightforward to me compared to some of the more complicated maps which I cannot understand even after looking for 5 minutes at the legend! :D
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Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19

Postby InkL0sed on Tue May 20, 2008 7:38 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:
oaktown wrote:welcome - again, lovely graphics.

Quick concern: not everybody will know that Paris=Ile de France, even with the symbol... you know somebody will be confused when their opponent gets a +1 for holding Ile de France, when the legend says you get a +1 for holding Paris.


Isn't the fleur-de-lys symbol enough to understand that? It looks pretty straightforward to me compared to some of the more complicated maps which I cannot understand even after looking for 5 minutes at the legend! :D


Unfortunately... no, many Americans won't equate the two at all.
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Re: FRANCE 18th century [I] v07 may19

Postby pamoa on Wed May 21, 2008 2:47 am

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not everybody will know that Paris=Ile de France, even with the symbol... you know somebody will be confused when their opponent gets a +1 for holding Ile de France, when the legend says you get a +1 for holding Paris.
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Maybe make Paris its own little territory?
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Isn't the fleur-de-lys symbol enough to understand that? It looks pretty straightforward to me compared to some of the more complicated maps which I cannot understand even after looking for 5 minutes at the legend!
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Unfortunately... no, many Americans won't equate the two at all.

:idea: What if I change the name Isle-de-France with Paris. I loose some flavour but gain some straightforwardness!
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